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StarMelody
07/23/17 12:34:46 PM
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Headline right now. This guy. Seriously, this guy. He'll take the argument to the grave.
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elysdeon
07/23/17 12:43:05 PM
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He knows Russia did interfere with the election, he's just pretending that he doesn't for his own personal benefit.
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UnfairRepresent
07/23/17 12:45:14 PM
#3:


*Obama is prez*

Republicans: "BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! "


*trump is pres*

Democrats: "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!"

Why do people think just shouting the same thing over and over will work
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COVxy
07/23/17 12:45:59 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
*Obama is prez*

Republicans: "BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! "


*trump is pres*

Democrats: "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!"

Why do people think just shouting the same thing over and over will work


This is the silliest false equivalence I see on a regular basis.
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StarMelody
07/23/17 12:48:48 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
*Obama is prez*

Republicans: "BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! "


*trump is pres*

Democrats: "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!"

Why do people think just shouting the same thing over and over will work


Let's look at it logically.

One is a birth location. Simple, right?

The other is completely screwing over our democracy and working our country to benefit that obstructing country.... and there's actually proof on this.


Tom-ay-toes Tom-ah-toes.
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Mr_MacPhisto
07/23/17 12:53:40 PM
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StarMelody posted...
and there's actually proof on this.

Can we see this proof of Russian/Trump campaign collusion?
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Blue_Inigo
07/23/17 12:55:26 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
*Obama is prez*

Republicans: "BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! "


*trump is pres*

Democrats: "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!"

Why do people think just shouting the same thing over and over will work

Goddamn this is a stupid post
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Doom_Art
07/23/17 12:55:38 PM
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Mr_MacPhisto posted...
Can we see this proof of Russian/Trump campaign collusion?

there's plenty of proof that Russia was behind the election cyber attacks

the potential collusion between the trump campaign and russia is the subject of an ongoing investigation right now
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elysdeon
07/23/17 1:05:26 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
*Obama is prez*

Republicans: "BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! "


*trump is pres*

Democrats: "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!"

Why do people think just shouting the same thing over and over will work

Trump was literally the main guy leading the whole birther thing lol
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UnfairRepresent
07/23/17 1:58:50 PM
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StarMelody posted...


One is a birth location. Simple, right?


Erm that's kind a big deal for the president. It's illegal for a non-Citizen to be pres.

What made the Birther thing doubly stupid is that Obama would still be a citizen either way.

Equally with Trump, he won the election. Going "Russia wanted him to win and helped." doesn't change that unless they actively somehow caused fraud. Which they didn't.

elysdeon posted...

Trump was literally the main guy leading the whole birther thing lol

And was rightly mocked for it
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StarMelody
07/23/17 5:14:26 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
StarMelody posted...


One is a birth location. Simple, right?


Erm that's kind a big deal for the president. It's illegal for a non-Citizen to be pres.

What made the Birther thing doubly stupid is that Obama would still be a citizen either way.

Equally with Trump, he won the election. Going "Russia wanted him to win and helped." doesn't change that unless they actively somehow caused fraud. Which they didn't.

elysdeon posted...

Trump was literally the main guy leading the whole birther thing lol

And was rightly mocked for it


Hey, Conservatives were trying to get Ted Cruz to be president, and it was purely known he was actually not born in the US. It's a problem with Obama, but why not with Cruz?
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CobraShuttle
07/23/17 5:16:48 PM
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>CNN

LOL
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Vertania
07/23/17 5:16:59 PM
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lol CNN
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Hexenherz
07/23/17 5:17:03 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
*Obama is prez*

Republicans: "BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! "


*trump is pres*

Democrats: "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!"

Why do people think just shouting the same thing over and over will work


uhhhhhh
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UnfairRepresent
07/23/17 5:17:37 PM
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StarMelody posted...


Hey, Conservatives were trying to get Ted Cruz to be president, and it was purely known he was actually not born in the US. It's a problem with Obama, but why not with Cruz?

Because racism
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Hexenherz
07/23/17 5:19:52 PM
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Well, the problem was that Obama was actually born in the US and has a US birth certificate.
And Cruz is technically a US citizen by birth because of the relatively general definitions granted under various interpretations of the Constitution.

At any rate, it's an entirely irrelevant issue to this one which is specifically Russian interference in US democratic processes and Trump's potential collusion therewith. And a broader topic (but still relevant) is of Russia exerting influence abroad in many Western countries in a similar many, not only in the US.

But birth certificate talk has absolutely zero place in a topic like this.
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MaverickXeo
07/23/17 5:20:55 PM
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StarMelody posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
*Obama is prez*

Republicans: "BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! "


*trump is pres*

Democrats: "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!"

Why do people think just shouting the same thing over and over will work


Let's look at it logically.

One is a birth location. Simple, right?

The other is completely screwing over our democracy and working our country to benefit that obstructing country.... and there's actually proof on this.


Tom-ay-toes Tom-ah-toes.


How many elections did the US/Obama/Clinton interfere in? Canada's 2015 election, for one, was 'interfered' with by the US democratic party. Its one thing to accuse someone of doing something; but to openly use that same action and deem it 'right' simply because it was done by someone else is not right.
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UnfairRepresent
07/23/17 5:21:26 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
Well, the problem was that Obama was actually born in the US and has a US birth certificate.

Even if he wasn't, he still would be a US Citizen.

That's the funniest/saddest part about the whole thing
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Iwin2013
07/23/17 5:21:45 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
StarMelody posted...


Hey, Conservatives were trying to get Ted Cruz to be president, and it was purely known he was actually not born in the US. It's a problem with Obama, but why not with Cruz?

Because racism


Uh, we ran two black men, one Cuban, and one Canadian. Yet we, conservatives are racist....
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MaverickXeo
07/23/17 5:22:06 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Mr_MacPhisto posted...
Can we see this proof of Russian/Trump campaign collusion?

there's plenty of proof that Russia was behind the election cyber attacks

the potential collusion between the trump campaign and russia is the subject of an ongoing investigation right now


And yet, there is no proof that has been displayed as of yet. Its all being 'withheld' so the general public cannot see it.

If it was so 'clear' then the proof would be out there to see.
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creativerealms
07/23/17 5:22:17 PM
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FAKE NEWs.
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Hexenherz
07/23/17 5:22:52 PM
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Again, racism, and Obama, have zero place in the discussion here. This is not a domestic policy issue. This is not "democrats and republicans lol omg look at what they did ten years ago". This is a contemporary and enduring problem of foreign policy from an aggressive adversarial nation.
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UnfairRepresent
07/23/17 5:23:20 PM
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Iwin2013 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
StarMelody posted...


Hey, Conservatives were trying to get Ted Cruz to be president, and it was purely known he was actually not born in the US. It's a problem with Obama, but why not with Cruz?

Because racism


Uh, we ran two black men, one Cuban, and one Canadian. Yet we, conservatives are racist....


The ones who screamed Birth Certificate at Big Barry mostly where yes.

Going "They had a black candidate" is like going "I have a black friend." after saying you're pro banning travel to Africa
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UnholyMudcrab
07/23/17 5:24:39 PM
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MaverickXeo posted...

And yet, there is no proof that has been displayed as of yet. Its all being 'withheld' so the general public cannot see it.

If it was so 'clear' then the proof would be out there to see.

The question is, are these guys actually this clueless about how investigations work, or are they just ignoring that because it doesn't suit their narrative?
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Damn_Underscore
07/23/17 5:35:14 PM
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Obama's mom is a US Citizen so doesn't that make him an automatic US Citizen no matter what physical location he was born? Same with Ted Cruz

Honestly they should just amend the Constitution to remove the "natural born" requirement. It's sort of pointless, especially if you lived in US long enough to meet the other requirements. Also the first few Presidents technically weren't born in the US either.
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1337toothbrush
07/23/17 5:36:44 PM
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COVxy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
*Obama is prez*

Republicans: "BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! "


*trump is pres*

Democrats: "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!"

Why do people think just shouting the same thing over and over will work


This is the silliest false equivalence I see on a regular basis.


Not really. Both are ultimately pointless battle cries for political points.
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DonaldClinton
07/23/17 5:37:11 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Obama's mom is a US Citizen so doesn't that make him an automatic US Citizen no matter what physical location he was born? Same with Ted Cruz

Honestly they should just amend the Constitution to remove the "natural born" requirement. It's sort of pointless, especially if you lived in US long enough to meet the other requirements. Also the first few Presidents technically weren't born in the US either.

When you're running for president, just being a citizen isn't enough. The only people who can run for president are people who were born in the country
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Hexenherz
07/23/17 5:38:56 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
COVxy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
*Obama is prez*

Republicans: "BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! "


*trump is pres*

Democrats: "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!"

Why do people think just shouting the same thing over and over will work


This is the silliest false equivalence I see on a regular basis.


Not really. Both are ultimately pointless battle cries for political points.

Except they're not.
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Hexenherz
07/23/17 5:39:10 PM
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DonaldClinton posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Obama's mom is a US Citizen so doesn't that make him an automatic US Citizen no matter what physical location he was born? Same with Ted Cruz

Honestly they should just amend the Constitution to remove the "natural born" requirement. It's sort of pointless, especially if you lived in US long enough to meet the other requirements. Also the first few Presidents technically weren't born in the US either.

When you're running for president, just being a citizen isn't enough. The only people who can run for president are people who were born in the country

False.
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1337toothbrush
07/23/17 5:39:49 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
COVxy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
*Obama is prez*

Republicans: "BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! "


*trump is pres*

Democrats: "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!"

Why do people think just shouting the same thing over and over will work


This is the silliest false equivalence I see on a regular basis.


Not really. Both are ultimately pointless battle cries for political points.

Except they're not.

Except they are.
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Damn_Underscore
07/23/17 5:40:27 PM
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If the Russia thing was true then it would be a serious issue.

But it isn't.
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Axiom
07/23/17 5:40:38 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
COVxy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
*Obama is prez*

Republicans: "BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! BIRTH CERTIFICATE! "


*trump is pres*

Democrats: "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!"

Why do people think just shouting the same thing over and over will work


This is the silliest false equivalence I see on a regular basis.


Not really. Both are ultimately pointless battle cries for political points.

Except they're not.

This. It's a fact they interfered in the election. Whether there was any direct collusion is what's in doubt
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Hexenherz
07/23/17 5:42:29 PM
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They're not.
One was a completely fabricated lie that served only to rile up one political voting base for future elections. It concerns domestic politics only.

The other is an indicator of a larger problem endemic to Western civilization as a whole, caused by one aggressive adversarial country. This problem extends beyond the boundaries of "democrats and republicans"; there is extensive evidence that such actions were taken by this other country; there is extensive evidence that similar actions have been taken in our ally nations; and you are completely wrong for trying to claim that this is nothing more than democrats and republicans being democrats and republicans. Open your eyes - even a Republican-controlled Congress is rallying for harsher sanctions against Russia. It has 0% to do with domestic politics at all.
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DonaldClinton
07/23/17 5:42:37 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
DonaldClinton posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Obama's mom is a US Citizen so doesn't that make him an automatic US Citizen no matter what physical location he was born? Same with Ted Cruz

Honestly they should just amend the Constitution to remove the "natural born" requirement. It's sort of pointless, especially if you lived in US long enough to meet the other requirements. Also the first few Presidents technically weren't born in the US either.

When you're running for president, just being a citizen isn't enough. The only people who can run for president are people who were born in the country

False.

True.
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UnfairRepresent
07/23/17 5:43:17 PM
#37:


Hexenherz posted...
DonaldClinton posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Obama's mom is a US Citizen so doesn't that make him an automatic US Citizen no matter what physical location he was born? Same with Ted Cruz

Honestly they should just amend the Constitution to remove the "natural born" requirement. It's sort of pointless, especially if you lived in US long enough to meet the other requirements. Also the first few Presidents technically weren't born in the US either.

When you're running for president, just being a citizen isn't enough. The only people who can run for president are people who were born in the country

False.

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DonaldClinton
07/23/17 5:44:07 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Hexenherz posted...
DonaldClinton posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Obama's mom is a US Citizen so doesn't that make him an automatic US Citizen no matter what physical location he was born? Same with Ted Cruz

Honestly they should just amend the Constitution to remove the "natural born" requirement. It's sort of pointless, especially if you lived in US long enough to meet the other requirements. Also the first few Presidents technically weren't born in the US either.

When you're running for president, just being a citizen isn't enough. The only people who can run for president are people who were born in the country

True.

I'm glad you agree
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Hexenherz
07/23/17 5:45:28 PM
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And even if you don't believe that Trump himself was wheeling and dealing at Mar-a-Lago with Putin, the statements and behaviors of his relatives and those he has directly nominated and appointed to serve in his administration have repeatedly demonstrated on numerous occasions that numerous meetings were held with Russian officials and that there is some sort of conspiracy at some level (be it on an individual level or an Administration-wide level) to cover this up. Numerous intelligence agencies have also spoken up about the probing cyber activities of Russian affiliated organizations during the elections throughout more than half the states.

This is the modus operandi of the Russian Federation - look at what they're doing around the world.

I repeat, this is not "lol democrats bein' dum 4 4 years"
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Hexenherz
07/23/17 5:46:22 PM
#40:


DonaldClinton posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Hexenherz posted...
DonaldClinton posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Obama's mom is a US Citizen so doesn't that make him an automatic US Citizen no matter what physical location he was born? Same with Ted Cruz

Honestly they should just amend the Constitution to remove the "natural born" requirement. It's sort of pointless, especially if you lived in US long enough to meet the other requirements. Also the first few Presidents technically weren't born in the US either.

When you're running for president, just being a citizen isn't enough. The only people who can run for president are people who were born in the country

True.

I'm glad you agree


I'm sorry you're too lazy to do research into what constitutes a "US citizen by birth", because your narrow definition of "a person born in the country" does not align with the legally accepted interpretation of what a US person by birth is. A quick Google search will go a long way.
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DonaldClinton
07/23/17 5:48:16 PM
#41:


That's fake news. It's sad that you're trying to slander me because you can't admit that you're wrong
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UnholyMudcrab
07/23/17 5:48:48 PM
#42:


Hexenherz posted...
I'm sorry you're too lazy to do research into what constitutes a "US citizen by birth", because your narrow definition of "a person born in the country" does not align with the legally accepted interpretation of what a US person by birth is.

There's some debate over what exactly constitutes a "natural-born citizen", but to be honest, it's probably not worth arguing about.
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1337toothbrush
07/23/17 5:51:23 PM
#43:


Axiom posted...
This. It's a fact they interfered in the election. Whether there was any direct collusion is what's in doubt

It's a fact that superpowers try to interfere with other countries' elections all the time. The US is a champ at that. Are you telling me that Russia's actions actually affected the outcome of the election?

Hexenherz posted...
They're not.
One was a completely fabricated lie that served only to rile up one political voting base for future elections. It concerns domestic politics only.

The other is an indicator of a larger problem endemic to Western civilization as a whole, caused by one aggressive adversarial country. This problem extends beyond the boundaries of "democrats and republicans"; there is extensive evidence that such actions were taken by this other country; there is extensive evidence that similar actions have been taken in our ally nations; and you are completely wrong for trying to claim that this is nothing more than democrats and republicans being democrats and republicans. Open your eyes - even a Republican-controlled Congress is rallying for harsher sanctions against Russia. It has 0% to do with domestic politics at all.


That's because the republicans and democrats are really two arms of the same party. Anything that threatens their establishment is thrown up the wall for the Two Minutes Hate. I'm not saying Trump isn't establishment, but anything that strays or seems like it'll threaten their credibility is attacked to death. It's why they make distractions like the Iraq War and Cold War II.
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Axiom
07/23/17 5:57:39 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
It's a fact that superpowers try to interfere with other countries' elections all the time.

And that makes this ok how. Also my answer was in relation to you comparing an actually proven event to a complete lie which was that birther garbage that Donald himself championed
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1337toothbrush
07/23/17 5:58:46 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
Are you telling me that Russia's actions actually affected the outcome of the election?

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