Poll of the Day > I haven't consumed any animal products in a week

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SmokeMassTree posted...

lmao

"Canada is doing this, the rest of the world will do it too!"

Listen sweetie, Canada is doing several things right now that are all going to blow up in its face. Consider moving before it's labeled a communist country and it's impossible to get out of.

Canada is not the first county to change to these nutritional guidelines, sweaty

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=53984

https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/new-research-says-plant-based-diet-best-for-planet-and-people
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Do you want to get invaded by huge drunk Russians on steriods? That's how you get invaded by huge drunk Russians on steriods.

Those are all probably fake news from Russia for that very purpose.
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syndicator posted...

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Ah I remember the late '90s when Maddox was the pinnacle of Internet edgy humor I'm so glad we've progressed even if his website hasn't
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Tonight I'm having mango chunks, aloo gobi and rice, curried vegetables, and some Oreos and coconut milk for dessert. Should be tasty.

You are calling people out on their heath for eating chicken while you eat Oreos?

Lol

OmegaTomHank posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Tonight I'm having mango chunks, aloo gobi and rice, curried vegetables, and some Oreos and coconut milk for dessert. Should be tasty.

You are calling people out on their heath for eating chicken while you eat Oreos?

Lol

Funny thing is people that eat omni diets will also eat processed junk. That's far from the most egregious junk I've posted in here too. Vegan Ben & Jerry's is just as calorific as the normal dairy stuff. Those links I posted earlier say animal products and processed food are not healthy. Processed foods with animal products are doubling down on the health detriment.

Environmentally, the animal products are doing more harm. That junk is a small part of what I eat and not close to what sustains me. Thanks for the feigned interest in my health though, promise I eat processed food far less often than posters in here are consuming animal products
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The thing with vegans that kills me is the need to justify their decision with anything other than my bleeding heart wont allow me to eat the poor defenseless animals

Which is fine I guess...if you really are that sensitive.

But they always get on their high horse with unsubstantiated and biased news articles from Johnny McDoctor about how much heathy they are right before they tell us about their wonderful meals full of processed sugar and gluten.

The only real nutrition rooted veggies I know actually arent even full vegetarian, they just dont eat red meat and go overboard on chicken and fish salads and V8 smoothies with no added sugars.

I eat this way most of the time and whatever I want the other times.

Doctor Foxx posted...

OmegaTomHank posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Tonight I'm having mango chunks, aloo gobi and rice, curried vegetables, and some Oreos and coconut milk for dessert. Should be tasty.

You are calling people out on their heath for eating chicken while you eat Oreos?

Lol

Funny thing is people that eat omni diets will also eat processed junk. That's far from the most egregious junk I've posted in here too. Vegan Ben & Jerry's is just as calorific as the normal dairy stuff. Those links I posted earlier say animal products and processed food are not healthy. Processed foods with animal products are doubling down on the health detriment.

Environmentally, the animal products are doing more harm. That junk is a small part of what I eat and not close to what sustains me. Thanks for the feigned interest in my health though, promise I eat processed food far less often than posters in here are consuming animal products

Not really. The animal products were thrown in to push their obvious agenda. Its completely misleading to peddle completely safe and nutrious meats and other animal products with empty calories. And if you notice the way its worded doesnt actually state that.

What they did was essentially the equivalent of saying since 1960, people have seen an increase of purchases of teddy bears, guns and knives and the increase of homicides has increased two fold.

OmegaTomHank posted...

The thing with vegans that kills me is the need to justify their decision with anything other than my bleeding heart wont allow me to eat the poor defenseless animals

Well that was a big reason for me! Bigger than anything else. It feels hypocritical to work in animal rescue and go home to eat other animals.

The health benefits are real though. I did a lot of research before switching how I ate to make sure there weren't any pitfalls. My dad was diagnosed with cancer earlier this year and his doctor advised him cutting out meat was as important as quitting smoking for remission and prevention. He at least gave up smoking so I hope that helps him.

OmegaTomHank posted...

But they always get on their high horse with unsubstantiated and biased news articles from Johnny McDoctor about how much heathy they are right before they tell us about their wonderful meals full of processed sugar and gluten.

Are you anti gluten now?

My meals are typically pretty healthy and cooked from scratch. I have desserts sometimes. It's usually just fruit with tea or chia pudding. Sometimes I get fancy and have cookies unfortunately my sweet tooth is my downfall and it's a work in progress.
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Granted, if there was real compelling evidence outside of the tens of thousands of years people have been safely and healthily consuming animal products, that animal products indeed were somehow toxic. I would stop consuming them because I already am fairly diet sensitive.

However everyone Ive ever talked to in the gym about nutrition or any doctor or trainer has never recommended this to me. In fact as a male attempting to build muscle mass, its literally counterproductive to eat estrogen producing fruits and eschew meats high in protein and fats.

Nor do I consume much bread these days due to gluten and the fact that bread products are ridiculously high in carbohydrates.

OmegaTomHank posted...

Not really. The animal products were thrown in to push their obvious agenda. Its completely misleading to peddle completely safe and nutrious meats and other animal products with empty calories. And if you notice the way its worded doesnt actually state that.

Wait whose agenda? So veg people control ncbi and have more money and lobbying power than meat and dairy industries? Great to know

Sugar industry also fought hard against health claims against them, despite their big pockets perception eventually changed and reach came out against sugar. It was considered to be healthy and necessary for a long time. I know sugar is bad and I'll eat it sometimes, that's on me. Why do people deny that meat is also unhealthy?
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Doctor Foxx posted...

OmegaTomHank posted...

Not really. The animal products were thrown in to push their obvious agenda. Its completely misleading to peddle completely safe and nutrious meats and other animal products with empty calories. And if you notice the way its worded doesnt actually state that.

Wait whose agenda? So veg people control ncbi and have more money and lobbying power than meat and dairy industries? Great to know

Sugar industry also fought hard against health claims against them, despite their big pockets perception eventually changed and reach came out against sugar. It was considered to be healthy and necessary for a long time. I know sugar is bad and I'll eat it sometimes, that's on me. Why do people deny that meat is also unhealthy?

What? Its literally one article on a databas website. Nothing I said implied NCBI was controlled .

The last question was already answered and you chose to ignore it.

As far as the sugar claim, sugar wasnt widely available until the 19th century. Thats barely 200 years of precedent to figure out of sugar was bad or not, and your argument implies people the sugar companies were suppressing information through the information era of the naughties and beyond which is obviously untrue. Its basically impossible to do that now.

This isnt the 30s where everyone gets their news from the local newspaper and radio and thats it.

Sugar, gluten and high carb diets are manmade inventions anyway.

Paleo diets which is what most of us would eat if we lived in the woods somewhere with no access to a market are exactly the diets that every nutrionist and doctor has been recommending for years now, high fat, medium protein, low carb.

I also believe no meat diets are fine for women, but more work than they are worth for men.

You would need to be a really sensitive Sally to give up meat as a man. I am not.

OmegaTomHank posted...

Granted, if there was real compelling evidence outside of the tens of thousands of years people have been safely and healthily consuming animal products, that animal products indeed were somehow toxic. I would stop consuming them because I already am fairly diet sensitive.

Granted, if the type and quantity of meat people have been eating for tens of thousands of years was at all like what people eat now, humans would have had a shitton of health issues. Meat has been dangerous throughout history, but now huge dangers lie with the prevalence of processed meats and excessive portions. Animals higher up in the food chain have substantially more toxin accumulation such as mercury or dioxins. Humans are no longer hunting for their food and eating small bits of it occasionally, they're buying plastic wrapped cases of contaminated meat that has been almost all been processed, and they're eating it several times a day. Even just buying chicken breasts, most that you'll find have been injected with saline solutions. Not good.

OmegaTomHank posted...

However everyone Ive ever talked to in the gym about nutrition or any doctor or trainer has never recommended this to me. In fact as a male attempting to build muscle mass, its literally counterproductive to eat estrogen producing fruits and eschew meats high in protein and fats.

Estrogen producing fruits such as? I am curious.

Meat and dairy consumption can cause large estrogen increases. There's more evidence to support this than, say, soy increasing estrogen. Animal hormones raise our hormones, who would ahve thought?

https://www.livestrong.com/article/529389-does-meat-contain-estrogen/

The strongest man in the world is a vegan!

https://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/ffl/employee/strongest-man-in-the-world-full-on-vegan

In fact there are a lot of vegan bodybuilders that produce mass very well...

https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/vegan-bodybuilders-instagram

There's a lot of protein in plants. You don't need soy if that's what you worry about.

OmegaTomHank posted...

Nor do I consume much bread these days due to gluten and the fact that bread products are ridiculously high in carbohydrates.

Me either, though I did get some buns this week to have with my cabbage soup.
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Good


vegetables, meat, fruits, nuts, roots

Avoid

dairy products, grains, sugar,, processed oils, salt, alcohol, coffee

????

Legumes

I even drink almond milk instead of regular milk and it has nothing to do with a bleeding heart

Doctor Foxx posted...

OmegaTomHank posted...

Granted, if there was real compelling evidence outside of the tens of thousands of years people have been safely and healthily consuming animal products, that animal products indeed were somehow toxic. I would stop consuming them because I already am fairly diet sensitive.

Granted, if the type and quantity of meat people have been eating for tens of thousands of years was at all like what people eat now, humans would have had a shitton of health issues. Meat has been dangerous throughout history, but now huge dangers lie with the prevalence of processed meats and excessive portions. Animals higher up in the food chain have substantially more toxin accumulation such as mercury or dioxins. Humans are no longer hunting for their food and eating small bits of it occasionally, they're buying plastic wrapped cases of contaminated meat that has been almost all been processed, and they're eating it several times a day. Even just buying chicken breasts, most that you'll find have been injected with saline solutions. Not good.

OmegaTomHank posted...

However everyone Ive ever talked to in the gym about nutrition or any doctor or trainer has never recommended this to me. In fact as a male attempting to build muscle mass, its literally counterproductive to eat estrogen producing fruits and eschew meats high in protein and fats.

Estrogen producing fruits such as? I am curious.

Meat and dairy consumption can cause large estrogen increases. There's more evidence to support this than, say, soy increasing estrogen. Animal hormones raise our hormones, who would ahve thought?

https://www.livestrong.com/article/529389-does-meat-contain-estrogen/

The strongest man in the world is a vegan!

https://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/ffl/employee/strongest-man-in-the-world-full-on-vegan

In fact there are a lot of vegan bodybuilders that produce mass very well...

https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/vegan-bodybuilders-instagram

There's a lot of protein in plants. You don't need soy if that's what you worry about.

OmegaTomHank posted...

Nor do I consume much bread these days due to gluten and the fact that bread products are ridiculously high in carbohydrates.

Me either, though I did get some buns this week to have with my cabbage soup.

Youve listed bread products with almost meal
here.

Also you keep lumping two unrelated things together and claiming they do something, stop doing that.

Dairy products absolutely increase estrogen, meat products should not unless they are GMO. If you avoid GMO, which my household does, you will not have hormone filled meat.

OmegaTomHank posted...

You would need to be a really sensitive Sally to give up meat as a man. I am not.

There's nothing wrong with being a compassionate human being. Fragile masculinity, indeed.

OmegaTomHank posted...

Paleo diets which is what most of us would eat if we lived in the woods somewhere with no access to a market are exactly the diets that every nutrionist and doctor has been recommending for years now, high fat, medium protein, low carb.

Mmm, I've heard from many doctors and health professionals that they're concerned that high fat diets are going to be biting people in the ass. I've never seen a diet like that recommended. From NCBI

Physicians should advocate that it is time to get away from terms like vegan and vegetarian and start talking about eating healthy, whole, plant-based foods (primarily fruits and vegetables) and minimizing consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products. Physicians should be informed about these concepts so they can teach them to staff and patients.

A registered dietitian should be part of the health care team that designs a plant-based diet for patients with chronic disease, especially if multiple medications are involved. Depending on the underlying conditions, patients with chronic disease who take multiple medications need close monitoring of low blood sugar levels, low blood pressure, or rapid weight loss. If these occur, the physician may need to adjust medications. In some cases, such as the one presented here, the need for certain medications can be eliminated altogether. Although the risk of deficiencies may be low, health care teams need to be aware that a motivated patient on a strict plant-based diet may need monitoring for deficiencies of certain nutrients, as outlined above.

The purpose of this article is to help physicians understand the potential benefits of a plant-based diet, to the end of working together to create a societal shift toward plant-based nutrition. There is at least moderate-quality evidence from the literature that plant-based diets are associated with significant weight loss and a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease and mortality compared with diets that are not plant based. These data suggest that plant-based diets may be a practical solution to prevent and treat chronic diseases.

OmegaTomHank posted...

Youve listed bread products with almost meal
here.

the one you quoted to give me shit about eating a few oreos did not have any. I had a lot of veggie burgers starting transitioning, but they're not a regular thing now that I have upped my veg cooking game.
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High fat diet is ideal for MEN.

You seem to lack understanding of this concept.

Also main issue is people dont get adequate exercise to balance their caloric intake.

Those shredded guys you seemed to think were so impressive is just the result of high T, high calories and high excercise work rate to promote muscle growth.

Also, again, as a male I am not interested in a weight loss or cardiovascular diet. Thats actually the complete opposite of what Im going for. I dont have interest in being a skinny fat endurance runner

OmegaTomHank posted...

High fat diet is ideal for MEN.

You seem to lack understanding of this concept.

ok? I am not a man, you can eat what you want. Doctors and studies do seem to disagree with that in light of more modern research. Even Men's Health (and similar magazines) have been promoting more veg stuff for their athletic, want-to-be-muscular male readers.

http://www.menshealth.co.uk/food-nutrition/the-beginners-vegan-muscle-guide

http://www.menshealth.co.uk/food-nutrition/the-things-you-didnt-know-about-vegan-protein

https://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/what-7-elite-vegan-athletes-eat-get-and-stay-ultra-jacked

OmegaTomHank posted...

Those shredded guys you seemed to think were so impressive is just the result of high T, high calories and high excercise work rate to promote muscle growth.

you mean they have to exercise to build and maintain muscle... just like people need to do when they eat meat? wowsers.

There's also many examples male athletes that changed to a vegan diet and also stayed in great fit shape. There will only be more in time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/these-athletes-went-vegan--and-stayed-strong/2016/11/22/58c2e674-865c-11e6-92c2-14b64f3d453f_story.html

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jul/29/veganism-forest-green-rovers-sports-performance

OmegaTomHank posted...

Also, again, as a male I am not interested in a weight loss or cardiovascular diet. Thats actually the complete opposite of what Im going for. I dont have interest in being a skinny fat endurance runner

that's weird that you think vegan male athlete means weak or small. the world's strongest man is far from a skinnyfat runner, but ok. enjoy your animal stuff i guess
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DO you have any clue what his diet is or what hes putting into his body. Any possible supplements, testosterone shots, anabolic steroids?

No, of course not, all you know he is mentioned hes vegan in an interview one time.

Seriously this discussion is bordering on childish at this point.

Also linking some barely muscular midget who eats like shit in the first place like Austin Aries isnt doing much for your argument.

I could link an interview where Michael Phelps basically details eating like 4 stacks of chocolate chip pancakes and bacon, that doesnt mean jack shit. Sure the dude looked and performed like a god because he worked out a lot and had good genetics. It doesnt mean his diet was optimal.

Also what a surprise the menfitness article was written by a blonde woman who probably has never done a deadlift in her life

i feel like I could pull an article up to confirm pretty much anything at this point
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SHE literally linked me to a 59 Manlet who looks like this

https://prowrestlingiowacom-files-wordpress-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/prowrestlingiowacom.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/austin-aries-9.jpg

He apparently eats a diet with 60 percent carbs containing nothing but bread, yeast products and a ton of fruit and sugar.

Please

FOr the record, Austin Aries actually DOES look like your average vegan male. Much more than the probably genetically enhanced(at minimum genetically gifted) outliers she keeps trying to peddle as the norm

i don't know who that is but he doesn't look like he's in amazing shape

edit: honestly though, who cares what other people eat. factory farming is bullshit and if people are moving away from that, GOOD.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

edit: honestly though, who cares what other people eat. factory farming is bullshit and if people are moving away from that, GOOD.

Srsly everyone would benefit from moving away from that, and that requires people to consume a lot less meat/dairy/eggs

OmegaTomHank posted...

Seriously this discussion is bordering on childish at this point.

This topic is about not eating animal products. not about whatever you think is optimal for male athletes building muscle mass, there's no consensus there. This topic is not about nutrition for bulking lol

If you want to talk about bulking or whatever you need to eat that includes animal products by all means please leave byeee
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Doctor Foxx posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

edit: honestly though, who cares what other people eat. factory farming is bullshit and if people are moving away from that, GOOD.

Srsly everyone would benefit from moving away from that, and that requires people to consume a lot less meat/dairy/eggs

OmegaTomHank posted...

Seriously this discussion is bordering on childish at this point.

This topic is about not eating animal products. not about whatever you think is optimal for male athletes building muscle mass, there's no consensus there. This topic is not about nutrition for bulking lol

If you want to talk about bulking or whatever you need to eat that includes animal products by all means please leave byeee

You literally tried to argue that consuming animal products is objectively unhealthy which is complete bullshit.

If any bleeding heart vegan would just admit they just wuv the animals too much to eat them <3, well live and let live.

I just dont understand the need to peddle bullshit to convince people to your side.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Revelation34 posted...

That needs proof.

The research is there. Try it for yourself.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/a-taste-of-whats-to-come-inside-the-big-revamp-of-canadas-food-guide/article35728046

You made a claim that her network is changing. Just because she said it is doesn't make it true.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Why do people deny that meat is also unhealthy?

Because it isn't. Some meat products might be worst than others but it doesn't mean all meat products are unhealthy.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Meat has been dangerous throughout history,

I thought you were a good vegan. Turns out you just wear tin foil hats.

Doctor Foxx posted...

The strongest man in the world is a vegan!

https://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/ffl/employee/strongest-man-in-the-world-full-on-vegan

https://barbend.com/2017-worlds-strongest-man-results/

Doctor Foxx posted...

There will only be more in time.

You keep posting opinions as fact.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

i don't know who that is but he doesn't look like he's in amazing shape

edit: honestly though, who cares what other people eat. factory farming is bullshit and if people are moving away from that, GOOD.

I dont generally. Unless peoples politics starts to affect me.

Imagine these bleeding hearts get into power and manage to get some sort of meat tax implemented which means I suddenly have to pay more by the calorie.

Theres very real reason to be annoyed and discontent with the aggressive, in your face rhetoric these people often use

OmegaTomHank posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

i don't know who that is but he doesn't look like he's in amazing shape

edit: honestly though, who cares what other people eat. factory farming is bullshit and if people are moving away from that, GOOD.

I dont generally. Unless peoples politics starts to affect me.

Imagine these bleeding hearts get into power and manage to get some sort of meat tax implemented which means I suddenly have to pay more by the calorie.

Theres very real reason to be annoyed and discontent with the aggressive, in your face rhetoric these people often use

I'm against soda taxes too.
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https://proteindynamix.com/academy/nutrition-recipes/eat-like-eddie-hall/

Why look at that! Egg omelettes, whole milk, chicken.

How is he not dead by now?

Revelation34 posted...

OmegaTomHank posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

i don't know who that is but he doesn't look like he's in amazing shape

edit: honestly though, who cares what other people eat. factory farming is bullshit and if people are moving away from that, GOOD.

I dont generally. Unless peoples politics starts to affect me.

Imagine these bleeding hearts get into power and manage to get some sort of meat tax implemented which means I suddenly have to pay more by the calorie.

Theres very real reason to be annoyed and discontent with the aggressive, in your face rhetoric these people often use

I'm against soda taxes too.

The soda tax, while probably a lot more reasonable due to its addictive properties, is based on the same premise the vegans are using against animals products.

By insisting that they are somehow killing you, it allows them to leverage thing like the ongoing obesity epidemic to push this sort of action

If you all hate vegans so much why are you in this topic? Who is being in your face... Someone discussing a change in lifestyle or people approaching that person time after time to tell them why they're wrong? So silly. Seems the in your face people are the meat eaters after all
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Doctor Foxx posted...

If you all hate vegans so much why are you in this topic? Who is being in your face... Someone discussing a change in lifestyle or people approaching that person time after time to tell them why they're wrong? So silly. Seems the in your face people are the meat eaters after all

So that's all you can say when I called out on you actually lying?
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Revelation34 posted...

So that's all you can say when I called out on you actually lying?

There's no lying. I shared information my doctor shared with me. She's far more educated and qualified than anyone here. You clearly don't care for anything other than being contrarian. Why bother? After this many pages it's the same darn thing.

If you want to know why there are more vegan athletes, there are more veg* people in the West now than at any point in time before and the number keeps growing.
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a large number of people doing something doesn't mean its right
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Doctor Foxx posted...

If you all hate vegans so much why are you in this topic? Who is being in your face... Someone discussing a change in lifestyle or people approaching that person time after time to tell them why they're wrong? So silly. Seems the in your face people are the meat eaters after all

Krazy_Kirby posted...

a large number of people doing something doesn't mean its right

And? Exact same thing could be said of eating meat to begin with. Especially on a moral level. Some cultures and religions don't do it.

Anyway being vegan isn't about doing something, it's about not doing some things. The increase in veg people is just an increase in veg people. Call it wrong if you want, I feel it's a step towards a more compassionate society.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Revelation34 posted...

So that's all you can say when I called out on you actually lying?

There's no lying. I shared information my doctor shared with me. She's far more educated and qualified than anyone here. You clearly don't care for anything other than being contrarian. Why bother? After this many pages it's the same darn thing.

If you want to know why there are more vegan athletes, there are more veg* people in the West now than at any point in time before and the number keeps growing.

Because its easy and convenient in 2017.

No one really is going hungry outside of extreme poverty and those generally arent the people switching.

Its the 30 year old middle class that is doing it.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

a large number of people doing something doesn't mean its right

And? Exact same thing could be said of eating meat to begin with. Especially on a moral level. Some cultures and religions don't do it.

Anyway being vegan isn't about doing something, it's about not doing some things. The increase in veg people is just an increase in veg people. Call it wrong if you want, I feel it's a step towards a more compassionate society.

AT least you are finally using the right subjective adjectives finally.

OmegaTomHank posted...

Because its easy and convenient in 2017.

No one really is going hungry outside of extreme poverty and those generally arent the people switching.

Its the 30 year old middle class that is doing it.

It's millennials that are doing it. Some are in their 30s, most are in their 20s or younger. I'm glad food scarcity is not as much of an issue any longer for people in the West. We need to look forward and make sure we don't make it an issue for everyone else by feeding plants to the right animals. Like humans.

I'm pretty low income (definitely below that middle class) and it has really helped with my food budget!
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Doctor Foxx posted...

There's no lying. I shared information my doctor shared with me. She's far more educated and qualified than anyone here. You clearly don't care for anything other than being contrarian. Why bother? After this many pages it's the same darn thing.

If you want to know why there are more vegan athletes, there are more veg* people in the West now than at any point in time before and the number keeps growing.

No I said there's no way to prove that what she said is true. That's not what I meant by you lying. The rest of my post was about that.
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Revelation34 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

There's no lying. I shared information my doctor shared with me. She's far more educated and qualified than anyone here. You clearly don't care for anything other than being contrarian. Why bother? After this many pages it's the same darn thing.

If you want to know why there are more vegan athletes, there are more veg* people in the West now than at any point in time before and the number keeps growing.

No I said there's no way to prove that what she said is true. That's not what I meant by you lying. The rest of my post was about that.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

Have fun reading!
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Doctor Foxx posted...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

Have fun reading!

Have fun lying about meat throughout history being dangerous.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

OmegaTomHank posted...

Because its easy and convenient in 2017.

No one really is going hungry outside of extreme poverty and those generally arent the people switching.

Its the 30 year old middle class that is doing it.

It's millennials that are doing it. Some are in their 30s, most are in their 20s or younger. I'm glad food scarcity is not as much of an issue any longer for people in the West. We need to look forward and make sure we don't make it an issue for everyone else by feeding plants to the right animals. Like humans.

I'm pretty low income (definitely below that middle class) and it has really helped with my food budget!

Yeah I wonder why there is no issue with food scarcity anymore?

Revelation34 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

Have fun reading!

Have fun lying about meat throughout history being dangerous.

Have you ever heard of trichinosis? It's at least part of what led some religions to ban the consumption of swine and cloven hoofed creatures. Trichinosis infected and disabled a lot of people through history. Now trichinosis is practically eliminated in farmef meat in current day Canada and the US, and we now have medications to treat the few that do get infected. Other meats have carried their own risks (bivalve shellfish can also be particularly dangerous and were similarly banned in Judaism).

New dangers exist because of the large increase in processed meat availability and consumption, as well as the cross contamination during slaughter, processing, and packaging. Now the new danger is cardiovascular disease, which has become the largest killer for Westerners. Before factory farming people also had to hunt and there was always potential for injury or death. Different risks at different times, but dangers nonetheless.
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OmegaTomHank posted...

Yeah I wonder why there is no issue with food scarcity anymore?

Industrialization of farming, efficiency gains in production, improvements in harvest, and breeding of high yielding crops of course. Meat sure has helped people in the past (particularly distant ancestors that didn't have a reliable food source from agriculture). but the question to be asked now is do we still need to be eating so much of it? Or do we even need it at all? It's a no to the first question as populations eat far more of those things and are suffering through environmental and health consequences on a massive scale. time will tell with the second one.

Eat what you want though.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

Have fun reading!

Have fun lying about meat throughout history being dangerous.

Have you ever heard of trichinosis? It's at least part of what led some religions to ban the consumption of swine and cloven hoofed creatures. Trichinosis infected and disabled a lot of people through history. Now trichinosis is practically eliminated in farmef meat in current day Canada and the US, and we now have medications to treat the few that do get infected. Other meats have carried their own risks (bivalve shellfish can also be particularly dangerous and were similarly banned in Judaism).

New dangers exist because of the large increase in processed meat availability and consumption, as well as the cross contamination during slaughter, processing, and packaging. Now the new danger is cardiovascular disease, which has become the largest killer for Westerners. Before factory farming people also had to hunt and there was always potential for injury or death. Different risks at different times, but dangers nonetheless.

They wouldn't have had any kind of medical knowledge to claim that it was meat that caused that back then.
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people like to bandwagon whatever the new diet/lifestyle is
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Revelation34 posted...

They wouldn't have had any kind of medical knowledge to claim that it was meat that caused that back then.

What is your point? Even if the mechanism wasn't understood as well it is today, physicians existed then and observed the end results of consumption which was people with certain diets becoming very ill. People were still harmed by meat. That ignorance doesn't mean that the meat was free of dangers. People also didn't know about bacteria or handwashing. Lack of hygeine still killed people. You don't have to understand the danger to be at risk through actions. Thank fuck people learn.

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/787591-overview#a4

Even if no one understood a thing about the dangers... Ignorance of risk is not absence of risk. We will hopefully continue to find what is best for health and disease prevention. At this time after extensive research physicians are leaning towards plant based eating to prevent and treat many types of diet related disease.
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