Current Events > SCUMBAG ANIMAL DONALD TRUMP and his minions FAIL to destroy Obamacare AGAIN

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WASHINGTON — Two more Republican senators declared on Monday night that they would oppose the Senate Republican bill to repeal the Affordable Care Act, killing, for now, a seven-year-old promise to overturn President Barack Obama’s signature domestic achievement.

The announcement by the senators, Mike Lee of Utah and Jerry Moran of Kansas, left their leaders at least two votes short of the number needed to begin debate on their bill to dismantle the health law. Two other Republican senators, Rand Paul of Kentucky and Susan Collins of Maine, had already said they would not support a procedural step to begin debate.

With four solid votes against the bill, Republican leaders now have two options.

They can try to rewrite it in a way that can secure 50 Republican votes, a seeming impossibility since the defecting senators are not suggesting small changes to the existing bill but a fresh start. Or they can work with Democrats on a narrower measure to fix the flaws in the Affordable Care Act that both parties acknowledge.

Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, conceded Monday night that “the effort to repeal and immediately replace the failure of Obamacare will not be successful.” But he said he would move to pass a measure to repeal the Affordable Care Act now, then work on a replacement over the next two years. That has almost no chance to pass, either, since it could leave millions without insurance and leave insurance markets in turmoil.

But President Trump was not ready to give up. He immediately took to Twitter to say: “Republicans should just REPEAL failing ObamaCare now & work on a new Healthcare Plan that will start from a clean slate. Dems will join in!”

What will this madman think of next?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/us/politics/health-care-overhaul-collapses-as-two-republican-senators-defect.html?_r=0
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I hope this leads to bipartisanship. We need some of that... Seems like everything is "us vs them", when it really should be "us" as a whole.

wow i was excited, thought this was a @Full_Throttle thread
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Printerscape posted...

I hope this leads to bipartisanship

I hope not.

The GOP spent 7 years

7 freaking years whining about Obamacare and how they can do better and that's why we should vote for them.

Well people voted for them, and they have nothing. They have a majority in both chambers and the presidency. They campaigned on fixing it unilaterally, they can do it themselves.

And if people don't like their solution they can vote Democrat in 2018 and 2020 to let them fix it.
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Printerscape posted...

I hope this leads to bipartisanship. We need some of that... Seems like everything is "us vs them", when it really should be "us" as a whole.

Yeah, that's never gonna happen, the hatred is too deep now. Each side wishes the other side would just fuck off and die already and leave them to their work, it's all out war in American government and it's only gonna end once some bodies and blood start being spilled and once everyone is injured and blooded,battered and bruised, they can decide if they want to continue kicking each others teeth in or try and find something else to do other than blame each other for the firestorm of chaos raging around them being fanned by their corporate masters while they hold up dollars for the duo to keep throwing more punches.
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Doom_Art posted...

Printerscape posted...

I hope this leads to bipartisanship

I hope not.

The GOP spent 7 years

7 freaking years whining about Obamacare and how they can do better and that's why we should vote for them.

Well people voted for them, and they have nothing. They have a majority in both chambers and the presidency. They campaigned on fixing it unilaterally, they can do it themselves.

And if people don't like their solution they can vote Democrat in 2018 and 2020 to let them fix it.

and liberals dont do stupid stuff?
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Kaname_Madoka posted...

and liberals dont do stupid stuff?

I'm not sure what your point is here
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Doom_Art posted...

Kaname_Madoka posted...

and liberals dont do stupid stuff?

I'm not sure what your point is here

my point is you are pretending only the right wing party does ridiculous stuff like that.

the liberal party literally lost to a reality tv show host, and you think that they're perfect?
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Kaname_Madoka posted...

my point is you are pretending only the right wing party does ridiculous stuff like that.

where did i say that
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Doom_Art posted...

Kaname_Madoka posted...

and liberals dont do stupid stuff?

I'm not sure what your point is here

His point is that what about the liberals!?
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I mean I firmly of the belief that both parties have done idiotic shit, but I'm also firmly of the belief that it's verrrrrry one-sided these days.

The "two parties are equal" shit never struck a cord with me once I noticed the recurring "R" next to everyone's name.

Anyway, that had nothing to do with what I said, though.
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you literally said bipartisanship is bad
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With the current crop of schmucks occupying the majority of seats, "bipartisanship" amounts to "capitulate to what we want or fuck off."
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Printerscape posted...

I hope this leads to bipartisanship. We need some of that... Seems like everything is "us vs them", when it really should be "us" as a whole.

I don't trust the GOP to operate in good faith.

Moreover, why hand them a political victory? They obstructed everything for six years. They stole my voice on the Supreme Court for the next generation. After all that, and did the American people hold them to account? No. They awarded them with united government.

My party moved to the center in the 1990s under Bill Clinton for the sake of bipartisanship, and what did they do? They ran way, way to the right, and called us "socialists" while we twiddled our thumbs in the middle. Politics is a tug of war. As long as they're pulling hard to the right, if we don't pull equally as hard to the left, we'll end up in the middle with mud in our face, like we did with Hillary Clinton as our nominee, begging reasonable people to cross over and vote for her -- reasonable people who turned out not to exist in the modern-day GOP.

There's no incentive for bipartisanship if the electorate doesn't award you for it, no incentive for bipartisanship if people refuse to cross over and vote for you, no incentive for bipartisanship if politics is played between the 0 and 30 yard lines instead of between the 40 and the 60. Therefore, why be bipartisan? I think Republican policies are going to ruin the country, so why should I want to meet them halfway for the sake of "bipartisanship" if there's no incentive and people are going to call me a sellout shill for doing it?

Kaname_Madoka posted...

you literally said bipartisanship is bad

No no, I said the GOP was elected to fix the problem unilaterally.

So it shouldn't fall to the minority party to "compromise" when the GOP has the Presidency and majorities needed in both houses to fulfill their electoral promise.
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In essence, since the GOP with its majorities and total control can't govern effectively, I don't see why it falls to the Dems to step in and cover their asses for them.

And give them legislative wins.
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And we got this now:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/17/president-donald-trump-calls-for-lawmakers-to-repeal-failing-obamacare-now-without-replacement-plan.html

So yeah. This gon' be fun on a bun.
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Doom_Art posted...

Kaname_Madoka posted...

you literally said bipartisanship is bad

No no, I said the GOP was elected to fix the problem unilaterally.

So it shouldn't fall to the minority party to "compromise" when the GOP has the Presidency and majorities needed in both houses to fulfill their electoral promise.

Doom_Art posted...

Printerscape posted...

I hope this leads to bipartisanship

I hope not.

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Come on,Dems step in and be the GOP scapegoat so they can blame all the bad stuff on you guys and win more seats
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Glass_Phantom posted...

I don't trust the GOP to operate in good faith.

Moreover, why hand them a political victory? They obstructed everything for six years. They stole my voice on the Supreme Court for the next generation. After all that, and did the American people hold them to account? No. They awarded them with united government.

My party moved to the center in the 1990s under Bill Clinton for the sake of bipartisanship, and what did they do? They ran way, way to the right, and called us "socialists" while we twiddled our thumbs in the middle. Politics is a tug of war. As long as they're pulling hard to the right, if we don't pull equally as hard to the left, we'll end up in the middle with mud in our face, like we did with Hillary Clinton as our nominee, begging reasonable people to cross over and vote for her -- reasonable people who turned out not to exist in the modern-day GOP.

There's no incentive for bipartisanship if the electorate doesn't award you for it, no incentive for bipartisanship if people refuse to cross over and vote for you, no incentive for bipartisanship if politics is played between the 0 and 30 yard lines instead of between the 40 and the 60. Therefore, why be bipartisan? I think Republican policies are going to ruin the country, so why should I want to meet them halfway for the sake of "bipartisanship" if there's no incentive and people are going to call me a sellout shill for doing it?

My feelings exactly

You hit all the points

- Why bother helping when we'll likely be backstabbed by the GOP in some way?
- Why give them political capital going into the midterms?
- Why let them continue to dictate terms to us?
- And yeah, people complaining about "where is centrism/moderation? why are there no moderates anymore?" you guys either don't vote, or there's not enough of you to win elections
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Doom_Art posted...

In essence, since the GOP with its majorities and total control can't govern effectively, I don't see why it falls to the Dems to step in and cover their asses for them.

And give them legislative wins.

Why work with them at all, after what they just tried to do? Their so-called "mandate" was to repeal and replace Obamacare. Using Obamacare repeal as a Trojan horse for a giant Medicaid cut was not remotely close to what voters sent them to Washington to do. And they tried to do it unilaterally. Why would I want to work with people who would try to subject my country to such an abuse?

They don't have the will of the people anyway. They lost the popular vote. If bipartisanship means we get 48.2% of what we want and they get 46.1% of what they want, and we split the rest and give it to Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, then sure, let's do bipartisanship. Otherwise, why bother?

Glass_Phantom posted...

Why work with them at all, after what they just tried to do?

Honestly this isn't even touching the SCOTUS seat.

I hope there's a reckoning for that later on.

Either by expanding the court, or some other means. Scalia's seat was stolen, and I'm not forgetting that.
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Printerscape posted...

I hope this leads to bipartisanship. We need some of that... Seems like everything is "us vs them", when it really should be "us" as a whole.

Obamacare was more or less Romney's plan in Massachusetts (as governor) extrapolated to a national scale, and then watered down by what I imagine to be lobby efforts by the insurance companies.

Republicans, I imagine, not waiting to give Dems credit for a bill that was conservative and pro-private industry at heart exercised within their states their ability not to "cooperate" by refusing funding for proper subsidy at 400% above the poverty line. This ensures the bill fails for the people in the awkward gap between qualifying for medicaid and actually affording these ridiculous premiums. Now they have plentiful ammo to shit on a "failing" bill.

The soul of what Obamacare should have been probably would have worked great, but as usual, Democrats have no spine and Republicans will shoot themselves in the foot.

Also explains why I think Republicans are having so much trouble coming up with a replacement. When you destroy the public perception of the moderate-conservative strategy for healthcare, your only other card is ultra conservative, which is basically nothing other than "no safety net"; if you can't buy healthcare in the current climate: shit out of luck.
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Doom_Art posted...

- And yeah, people complaining about "where is centrism/moderation? why are there no moderates anymore?" you guys either don't vote, or there's not enough of you to win elections

We nominated bipartisanship, centrism, and moderation in 2016. What happened? People called her a corporate-owned Wall Street stooge because she was pro-free trade and only wanted a $12 minimum wage, not a $15 minimum wage. Voters clearly didn't want centrism/moderation, they wanted uncompromising economic populism. They wanted Bernie Sanders.

If Bernie Sanders is what people want, then so be it. That's where the energy is, that's what we will aspire to. No compromise, no bipartisanship, no moderation. We tried moderation, and you criminalized her and crucified her, pretended she was the boogie-man so you would have a reason not to cross over and vote for her, even though she was the better candidate, and also not insane. Frankly, I'm not sure why we should fall into the trap of pursuing bipartisanship ever again. This is the GOP's mess to deal with now. Go ahead and try to repeal Obamacare again, it'll only get us to single payer faster.