Current Events > What's wrong with hitting kids and pets as a form of discipline?

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As long as you're not beating the shit out of them. Slap the little brat on the wrist. Spank the little shit in front of everyone in line at the grocery store. Anything to stop them from doing bad behavior.

It works so why are people against it?
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Because it doesn't work.
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child abuse is weirdly normalized in society for some reason and im not totally sure why a lot of people are like "hey lemme inflict pain on this defenseless being thats a lot smaller than myself without actually making any attempt to rectify my kids behavior in a way that actually makes them understand how their behavior was not appropriate"
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Twinmold posted...

Because it doesn't work.

This.
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Don't bother.
Just let them duke it out.


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3khc posted...

It works so why are people against it?

Because studies have proven it doesn't work in the long term and can cause a shit load of problems.
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DeathDeathSong posted...

child abuse is weirdly normalized in society for some reason and im not totally sure why a lot of people are like "hey lemme inflict pain on this defenseless being thats a lot smaller than myself without actually making any attempt to rectify my kids behavior in a way that actually makes them understand how their behavior was not appropriate"

Hey now I didn't say all that.
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3khc posted...

DeathDeathSong posted...

child abuse is weirdly normalized in society for some reason and im not totally sure why a lot of people are like "hey lemme inflict pain on this defenseless being thats a lot smaller than myself without actually making any attempt to rectify my kids behavior in a way that actually makes them understand how their behavior was not appropriate"

Hey now I didn't say all that.

But that's exactly what you're doing when you hit a kid/pet

My dad hit me when I was a kid, I'm almost 30 now and our relationship is nonexistent and there never will be one
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Happened to me, my Dad didn't like doing it, but you bet your ass I learned a lot from it, and we're fine.

It can be done the wrong way, or for the wrong reasons, yeah.

The defenseless argument doesn't hold, because YOU are their defense. You're not gonna cause any more than a little pain. That same kid calls a stranger in the street a ******, and that kid is TRULY defenseless.

Child abuse can have serious effects on development, but spanking isnt strictly child abuse. Hell, you ground kids, right? Cage them up in their room with no contact with the outside world?

Expect a lot of

"My parents did it to me and I turned out fine"

Edit: aww too late
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Its not really teaching what you think it is. While i can yell loud and take away privileges they enjoy teaching them to follow rules and reward them when they do while never hitting my daughter.

Shes naturally learning to do well and that I have the power to reward and punish without hitting her.
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leverageblargh posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Twinmold posted...

Because it doesn't work.

This.

TC's parents clearly beat the shit out of him on a daily basis and as you can see he turned out great

Well I mean yeah. I consider myself to be a kind person with integrity. A lot of that I feel had to do with the way I was disciplined.

I look around at people who disrespect their parents, elders, random's on the street, etc. Bet money they wouldn't be doing that if their parents slapped them for behaving that way.

Sure there might be other ways to get this result, but why are people outright against spanking if it does the job?
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Dogs and cats raise their young by hitting, biting, scratching etc.
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Because we aren't animals. We live in a society.
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Dogs and cats also lick their own buttholes
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Twinmold posted...

Because it doesn't work.

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As a mexican it's part of my culture
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Schwarber posted...

Dogs and cats also lick their own buttholes

I once made a topic asking if ce would serious rather eat ass than eat their vegetables. Guess which won?
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That's why I said their own. That's also a really stupid poll to use as this place is 95% jokes
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Yeah but eating ass is sexy. Eating vegetables is not
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Schwarber posted...

That's why I said their own. That's also a really stupid poll to use as this place is 95% jokes

I'm 95% sure they were serious.
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I noticed that if you're far-left and/or a SJW you hate the practice. Why? Notice how the far-left and SJWs also have a problem with their kids being more disrespectful, disobedient, etc. That explains why the kids at colleges like Evergreen are out of control like in the book Lord of the Flies.

Disciplining your kid is not bad if you do it the right way. Spanking doesn't have to be downright child abuse.

Twinmold posted...

Because it doesn't work.

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Transcendentia posted...

I noticed that if you're far-left and/or a SJW you hate the practice. Why? Notice how the far-left and SJWs also have a problem with their kids being more disrespectful, disobedient, etc. That explains why the kids at colleges like Evergreen are out of control like in the book Lord of the Flies.

Disciplining your kid is not bad if you do it the right way. Spanking doesn't have to be downright child abuse.

If you spank an adult it's assault, if you spank a kid it's just discipline
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thronedfire2 posted...

Transcendentia posted...

I noticed that if you're far-left and/or a SJW you hate the practice. Why? Notice how the far-left and SJWs also have a problem with their kids being more disrespectful, disobedient, etc. That explains why the kids at colleges like Evergreen are out of control like in the book Lord of the Flies.

Disciplining your kid is not bad if you do it the right way. Spanking doesn't have to be downright child abuse.

If you spank an adult it's assault, if you spank a kid it's just discipline

It depends on the context and how the spanking is done.

Twinmold posted...

Because it doesn't work.

source? Not doubting it but I'm interested in seeing how the study was done, seems like a hard thing to measure.
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Transcendentia posted...

Disciplining your kid is not bad if you do it the right way. Spanking doesn't have to be downright child abuse.

Even light spanking has been shown to not help and actually hurt development. I don't care if someone was spanked and turned out fine. No one has ever said being spanked makes it impossible to turn out fine, but being spanked isn't what makes any child fine. You can call a child "fuckhead" every day and have them turn out fine. That doesn't mean doing that helped develop them into respectful adults. It just means their parents did a stupid thing and it didn't screw them up.

Also, equating physical contact with discipline is disingenuous.
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There's a difference between a light tap reminding the child that society reserves the right to fuck them up and outright hurting a kid.

It's not like it should be a first resort or anything like that. It'd be amazing if like a 3.5 year old would go, "Why yes, mother, I will stop throwing a temper tantrum now and behave politely."
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we believe in punishment, but not in way of using any weapon or hand to inflict harm. we take away things or give time out for bad behavior sends the clear message to behave.

i was punished by the hot sauce punishment myself a few times for being naughty as a kid, as a result later in life it definitely opened the path for spicy food we love that ****.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Transcendentia posted...

Disciplining your kid is not bad if you do it the right way. Spanking doesn't have to be downright child abuse.

Even light spanking has been shown to not help and actually hurt development. I don't care if someone was spanked and turned out fine. No one has ever said being spanked makes it impossible to turn out fine, but being spanked isn't what makes any child fine. You can call a child "fuckhead" every day and have them turn out fine. That doesn't mean doing that helped develop them into respectful adults. It just means their parents did a stupid thing and it didn't screw them up.

Wtf? Verbal abuse can be just as bad if not worse. It's one thing to cause physical harm but psychological harm can be absolutely damning.
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MutantJohn posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Transcendentia posted...

Disciplining your kid is not bad if you do it the right way. Spanking doesn't have to be downright child abuse.

Even light spanking has been shown to not help and actually hurt development. I don't care if someone was spanked and turned out fine. No one has ever said being spanked makes it impossible to turn out fine, but being spanked isn't what makes any child fine. You can call a child "fuckhead" every day and have them turn out fine. That doesn't mean doing that helped develop them into respectful adults. It just means their parents did a stupid thing and it didn't screw them up.

Wtf? Verbal abuse can be just as bad if not worse. It's one thing to cause physical harm but psychological harm can be absolutely damning.

You don't think any psychological harm comes from hitting your kids?
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kingdrake2 posted...

we believe in punishment, but not in way of using any weapon or hand to inflict harm. we take away things or give time out for bad behavior sends the clear message to behave.

Everytime I see someone say time out like this I wonder have much experience you have with children. And I'm talking about actual day to day babysitting. I dare you to take a kid's iPad away when he's been on it for almost two hours straight.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Transcendentia posted...

Disciplining your kid is not bad if you do it the right way. Spanking doesn't have to be downright child abuse.

Even light spanking has been shown to not help and actually hurt development. I don't care if someone was spanked and turned out fine. No one has ever said being spanked makes it impossible to turn out fine, but being spanked isn't what makes any child fine. You can call a child "fuckhead" every day and have them turn out fine. That doesn't mean doing that helped develop them into respectful adults. It just means their parents did a stupid thing and it didn't screw them up.

Also, equating physical contact with discipline is disingenuous.

Equating spanking with child abuse is disingenuous.

3khc posted...

kingdrake2 posted...

we believe in punishment, but not in way of using any weapon or hand to inflict harm. we take away things or give time out for bad behavior sends the clear message to behave.

Everytime I see someone say time out like this I wonder have much experience you have with children. And I'm talking about actual day to day babysitting. I dare you to take a kid's iPad away when he's been on it for almost two hours straight.

Yeah, you pretty much need to spank some kids. Otherwise they won't listen at all. The kids who are never spanked turn out poorly.

thronedfire2 posted...

MutantJohn posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Transcendentia posted...

Disciplining your kid is not bad if you do it the right way. Spanking doesn't have to be downright child abuse.

Even light spanking has been shown to not help and actually hurt development. I don't care if someone was spanked and turned out fine. No one has ever said being spanked makes it impossible to turn out fine, but being spanked isn't what makes any child fine. You can call a child "fuckhead" every day and have them turn out fine. That doesn't mean doing that helped develop them into respectful adults. It just means their parents did a stupid thing and it didn't screw them up.

Wtf? Verbal abuse can be just as bad if not worse. It's one thing to cause physical harm but psychological harm can be absolutely damning.

You don't think any psychological harm comes from hitting your kids?

When someone says "spank", how hard do you assume they're hitting them?
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MutantJohn posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Transcendentia posted...

Disciplining your kid is not bad if you do it the right way. Spanking doesn't have to be downright child abuse.

Even light spanking has been shown to not help and actually hurt development. I don't care if someone was spanked and turned out fine. No one has ever said being spanked makes it impossible to turn out fine, but being spanked isn't what makes any child fine. You can call a child "fuckhead" every day and have them turn out fine. That doesn't mean doing that helped develop them into respectful adults. It just means their parents did a stupid thing and it didn't screw them up.

Wtf? Verbal abuse can be just as bad if not worse. It's one thing to cause physical harm but psychological harm can be absolutely damning.

What are you talking about? I am saying a child could turn out fine despite the verbal abuse, but that does not mean verbal abuse was a crucial part of raising that child well. This is the thing physical parents and children who "turned out just fine" fail to grasp.
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hockeybub89 posted...

MutantJohn posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Transcendentia posted...

Disciplining your kid is not bad if you do it the right way. Spanking doesn't have to be downright child abuse.

Even light spanking has been shown to not help and actually hurt development. I don't care if someone was spanked and turned out fine. No one has ever said being spanked makes it impossible to turn out fine, but being spanked isn't what makes any child fine. You can call a child "fuckhead" every day and have them turn out fine. That doesn't mean doing that helped develop them into respectful adults. It just means their parents did a stupid thing and it didn't screw them up.

Wtf? Verbal abuse can be just as bad if not worse. It's one thing to cause physical harm but psychological harm can be absolutely damning.

What are you talking about? I am saying a child could turn out fine despite the verbal abuse, but that does not mean verbal abuse was a crucial part of raising that child well. This is the thing physical parents and children who "turned out just fine" fail to grasp.

Dude, a light spanking is way less damaging than having your parent tear you down emotionally.
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pets are too dumb to know the hit is a punishment.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/5-decade-study-reveals-fallout-from-spanking-kids/

That is a study specifically about spanking, no harder abuse.
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What about beating a kid WITH a pet?
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hockeybub89 posted...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/5-decade-study-reveals-fallout-from-spanking-kids/

That is a study specifically about spanking, no harder abuse.

Shitty sample size, trying to pretend correlation = causation...yup, must be a leftist "study"

MutantJohn posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

MutantJohn posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Transcendentia posted...

Disciplining your kid is not bad if you do it the right way. Spanking doesn't have to be downright child abuse.

Even light spanking has been shown to not help and actually hurt development. I don't care if someone was spanked and turned out fine. No one has ever said being spanked makes it impossible to turn out fine, but being spanked isn't what makes any child fine. You can call a child "fuckhead" every day and have them turn out fine. That doesn't mean doing that helped develop them into respectful adults. It just means their parents did a stupid thing and it didn't screw them up.

Wtf? Verbal abuse can be just as bad if not worse. It's one thing to cause physical harm but psychological harm can be absolutely damning.

What are you talking about? I am saying a child could turn out fine despite the verbal abuse, but that does not mean verbal abuse was a crucial part of raising that child well. This is the thing physical parents and children who "turned out just fine" fail to grasp.

Dude, a light spanking is way less damaging than having your parent tear you down emotionally.

Ok? I'm saying doing a thing do a kid and them turning out fine does not mean doing the thing is fine. Killing a child is more damaging than tearing them down emotionally. Does that mean we should ignore emotional abuse? No. And we shouldn't spank because it doesn't help, even if there are worse things you can do.
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To be fair, some kids just don't react well at all to being hit and then it shouldn't be used as a punishment. To them, it's this incredibly traumatizing thing and it's important to pick up on it and understand not to do it if that's your kind of child.

Otherwise, just like real people, kids can be assholes. Some kids won't stop misbehaving without a small reminder that yes, bad behavior can get your ass beat.
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MutantJohn posted...

Otherwise, just like real people, kids can be a******s. Some kids won't stop misbehaving without a small reminder that yes, bad behavior can get your ass beat.

yup

Nothing.

But snowflakes can't be touched.
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Twinmold posted...

Because it doesn't work.

Physical stuff doesn't work, but other kind of punishment does. You really won't succeed by trying to explain or reason with a kid who is a bully in school, or does stupid shit outside home. Kids don't care if they made someone feel bad or regret their actions, unless they know they will suffer for it as well.
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lilORANG posted...

pets are too dumb to know the hit is a punishment.

depends on how long you take to punish them

They won't associate the hit with punishment after like a min
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Sami1000 posted...

Twinmold posted...

Because it doesn't work.

Physical stuff doesn't work, but other kind of punishment does. You really won't succeed by trying to explain or reason with a kid who is a bully in school, or does stupid shit outside home. Kids don't care if they made someone feel bad or regret their actions, unless they know they will suffer for it as well.

SJWs like Twinmold don't tolerate any discipline of any kind

There's cases where it's effective. But there's far more cases where it just warped the recipient through abuse. Parents who exercise physical discipline on their kids don't always use discretionary finesse. A lot of them go full swing on the kid out of anger and eventually escalate from a light slap on the hand to a backhand to the face. This creates an outlet for an adult to excuse beating a child as a means of releasing frustration over having to be a parent.

And who's the party who made decisions that led to a frustrating kid existing in the first place...? Who really fucked up there? The kid? No...kids don't get to choose being born. A parent getting into the habit of smacking around a little kid for misbehaving is really just punishing the kid for the parent doing a shitty job.

That's not healthy for the kid's long term development.

It may have "worked" for grandpa and grandma back in the day, but times have changed many things since then. And we're also finding now that a lot of those "success" stories are really just victims repressing exactly how extreme some of the punishments they received actually were. Some of these people only overcame the trauma of the harsh punishments they experienced because they physically grew up...not because the victims accepted the punishments as justified.
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