Current Events > Started watching Fate/Stay Night on Netflix.

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Episode 5 so far. Haven't seen anything else in this series so I don't even know if I'm starting in the right spot. Entertaining so far though.

Are the servants supposed to represent someone in history?
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Unlimited Blade Works is way better. I watched that after the one you're watching and zero last.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Episode 5 so far. Haven't seen anything else in this series so I don't even know if I'm starting in the right spot. Entertaining so far though.

Are the servants supposed to represent someone in history?

Yes. Their "Noble Phantasm"(aka their ultimate attack) is basically a reflection of who they are, and is basically telling their opponent "this is who I am" attack.
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Are you watching Unlimited Blade Works?

Webmaster4531 posted...

Unlimited Blade Works is way better. I watched that after the one you're watching and zero last.

The series is so confusing in terms of the order in which to watch it. I chose this cuz it was on Netflix. Don't know if the others are.

TheRealItachi posted...

Yes. Their "Noble Phantasm"(aka their ultimate attack) is basically a reflection of who they are, and is basically telling their opponent "this is who I am" attack

Yeah I think the Lance did his already.
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Super Slash posted...

Are you watching Unlimited Blade Works?

Wait, yeah I am watching this one lol the names are confusing the shit out of me
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I remember being told to skip the original and go right to Unlimited Blade Works
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That show was so fucking good.

I just watched the one with Archer. Though maybe he's in the other one (ones?) too. I think it was Unlimited Blade Works.
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Are they loosely connected or are they heavily connected? I feel like I'm missing out by not starting from the first one. Those flashback scenes meant nothing to me.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Are they loosely connected or are they heavily connected? I feel like I'm missing out by not starting from the first one. Those flashback scenes meant nothing to me.

They're based on different choices from the game. You're not missing much.
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Fate stay night is the Fate route of the original visual novel. The Saber route. Unlimited Blade works is the Rin route. Heavens Feel (not out yet) is the Sakura route. Each is a different direction of the story. Unfortunately the anime for the Fate route is trash. Fate Zero is a prequel series of the previous Grail war.
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I came to Rin 10 times in 5 minutes

Webmaster4531 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Are they loosely connected or are they heavily connected? I feel like I'm missing out by not starting from the first one. Those flashback scenes meant nothing to me.

They're based on different choices from the game. You're not missing much.

To be fair, there is some information from the first Fate/Stay Night that you might miss out on by skipping to UBW. It's just the first one is really considered to be a awful adaptation of the visual novel that most people will tell you to just play the visual novel for the first route than watch the anime.
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Holy shit that's all confusing. The anime is pretty good either way
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Yeah, it's cause Deen fucked up the Fate adaptation so badly, now it's such a hard series to get fully into if you only watch the animes.

Based Ufotable.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Holy shit that's all confusing. The anime is pretty good either way

The anime is great. This is one of my favorite moments from one of the episodes.



It's a cropped gif of a non-plot event, so there are no spoilers.
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Spidey5 posted...

Yeah, it's cause Deen fucked up the Fate adaptation so badly, now it's such a hard series to get fully into if you only watch the animes.

Based Ufotable.

Seems like this thing spans over a bunch of different forms of media. I think I'll stick with the anime for now haha

Tmaster148 posted...

The anime is great. This is one of my favorite moments from one of the episodes.



It's a cropped gif of a non-plot event, so there are no spoilers

Is that Saber or someone I probably haven't seen yet? I'm on ep 5. The Beserker episode
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

The anime is great. This is one of my favorite moments from one of the episodes.



It's a cropped gif of a non-plot event, so there are no spoilers

Is that Saber or someone I probably haven't seen yet? I'm on ep 5. The Beserker episode

It's Saber.
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Cool. And what's the importance of the identies of the servants? Why do they keep saying they have to kill them now that they know their identity? Or phantasm. Whatever it is.
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Sasaki Kojiro

Smashingpmkns posted...

Cool. And what's the importance of the identies of the servants? Why do they keep saying they have to kill them now that they know their identity? Or phantasm. Whatever it is.

Each servant is based on someone who was a hero in their life. Knowing who the servant is means someone can figure out their weakness and have an advantage. The Phantasm is really just their super move that is based on who they are. So knowing a phantasm means you can figure out who the servant is and thus know how to defeat said servant.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Cool. And what's the importance of the identies of the servants? Why do they keep saying they have to kill them now that they know their identity? Or phantasm. Whatever it is.

Because if you know their identity, then you can formulate a strategy based off their abilities known in life. For example, take a non-canon, theoretical Achilles: When he would be first summoned, nobody would think "hey here's a random servant, let's attack his ankles for no real reason", and they probably wouldn't get anywhere. Now, if he used his Noble Phantasm, that would basically indicate "I'm achilles btw", and scream his weaknesses and abilities for the world to see - Noble Phantasms are a double edged sword, in that regard.
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Proably should have watched Fate/Zero first, since UBW is a sequel, but if you're not confused about the story yet, I don't think you're missing much. You should definetly watch Zero at some point tho.
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LordFarquad1312 posted...

Proably should have watched Fate/Zero first, since UBW is a sequel, but if you're not confused about the story yet, I don't think you're missing much. You should definetly watch Zero at some point tho.

Zero is the prequel to the first route right?

If that's the case there is the issue that you might spoil the 3rd route which is an upcoming movie.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Cool. And what's the importance of the identies of the servants? Why do they keep saying they have to kill them now that they know their identity? Or phantasm. Whatever it is.

Each servant is based on someone who was a hero in their life. Knowing who the servant is means someone can figure out their weakness and have an advantage. The Phantasm is really just their super move that is based on who they are. So knowing a phantasm means you can figure out who the servant is and thus know how to defeat said servant.

Thanks, they just explained this in the episode I'm watching too lol
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Tmaster148 posted...

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Proably should have watched Fate/Zero first, since UBW is a sequel, but if you're not confused about the story yet, I don't think you're missing much. You should definetly watch Zero at some point tho.

Zero is the prequel to the first route right?

If that's the case there is the issue that you might spoil the 3rd route which is an upcoming movie.

Zero is a prequel to all three routes, technically, but one character in Zero only appears in Heaven's Feel (Zouken).

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Proably should have watched Fate/Zero first, since UBW is a sequel, but if you're not confused about the story yet, I don't think you're missing much. You should definetly watch Zero at some point tho.

What?
No, that is an EXTREMELY stupid idea.
Zero should only be watched LAST, because it spoils the hell out of literally everything else.
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Fate/Stay Night is based on the canon ending of the game
Fate/Unlimited Blade Works (or just UBW for short) is the alternate ending
The game has a third route which will get an anime released in October (I think a series of movies) called Heaven's Feel.

Fate/Kaelid Liner Prisma Illya (or sometimes just Prisma Illya) is a shoujo spinoff

Fate/Extra -> Fate/Extella is a video game spinoff series. Fate/Extella is a soft retcon of Fate/Extra and Fate/Extra CCC (never localized) so you can start with just Fate/Extella

Fate/Grand Order is what Fire Emblem Heroes failed to be, a mobile waifu simulator

I am not sure where Fate/Zero fits into this. I think there are some more spinoffs as well.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

I am not sure where Fate/Zero fits into this. I think there are some more spinoffs as well.

There is also Fate/Apocrypha, yet another spinoff (a light novel) telling the story of another Grail War. An anime just started airing and it's only at 2 episodes so far.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Fate/Stay Night is based on the canon ending of the game
Fate/Unlimited Blade Works (or just UBW for short) is the alternate ending
The game has a third route which will get an anime released in October (I think a series of movies) called Heaven's Feel.

Fate/Kaelid Liner Prisma Illya (or sometimes just Prisma Illya) is a shoujo spinoff

Fate/Extra -> Fate/Extella is a video game spinoff series. Fate/Extella is a soft retcon of Fate/Extra and Fate/Extra CCC (never localized) so you can start with just Fate/Extella

Fate/Grand Order is what Fire Emblem Heroes failed to be, a mobile waifu simulator

I am not sure where Fate/Zero fits into this. I think there are some more spinoffs as well.

Heavens Feel is the canon ending of the game.

Fate Zero is the previous grail war.

Fate Zero also spoils aspects from Heavens Feel. Primarily
Everything about the Matou family and assassin.
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TheRealItachi posted...

Zero should only be watched LAST, because it spoils the hell out of literally everything else.

Well, F/SN(UBW) spoilers literally everything about F/Zero, so...

And F/SN(UBW) was made as a sequel to F/Zero, so it's intended to be watched second.
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i need to watch that
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slmcknett posted...

TheRealItachi posted...

Zero should only be watched LAST, because it spoils the hell out of literally everything else.

Well, F/SN(UBW) spoilers literally everything about F/Zero, so...

And F/SN(UBW) was made as a sequel to F/Zero, so it's intended to be watched second.

To be fair, I don't think there's really any agreed upon time of when to watch F/Zero. Some people recommend it early some people recommend it late.

If you want to watch it before UBW or Heaven's Feel that's up to you, but people should at least be aware of the fact Fate/Zero does spoil some of Heaven's Feel.
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slmcknett posted...

And F/SN(UBW) was made as a sequel to F/Zero, so it's intended to be watched second.

What? That's not even remotely true.
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Well, until Heaven's Feel is actually out, I can't really comment on that. But yeah, I guess you could honestly watch Zero or UBW in either order and it wouldn't really matter, since they both spoil the hell out of each other.

I just personally say Zero should come first because it was the first to come out.
Thought, going from UBW to Zero might be interesting as it's so...different.
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TheRealItachi posted...

What? That's not even remotely true.

The animes.

Ufotable animated Zero first. And then they animated UBW as a sequel to it.
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slmcknett posted...

Well, until Heaven's Feel is actually out, I can't really comment on that. But yeah, I guess you could honestly watch Zero or UBW in either order and it wouldn't really matter, since they both spoil the hell out of each other.

I just personally say Zero should come first because it was the first to come out.
Thought, going from UBW to Zero might be interesting as it's so...different.

Uh, I don't know who told you that, but F/Z didn't come out until years after UBW.
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slmcknett posted...

TheRealItachi posted...

What? That's not even remotely true.

The animes.

Ufotable animated Zero first. And then they animated UBW as a sequel to it.

The fact that they animated UBW second is completely irrelevant, you do realize this, right?
Like, Fate/Zero came literal years after UBW was already out.
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Yes.

Which is why I'm talking about the anime adaptations. The ufotable UBW is a sequel to the ufotable Zero.
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AFAIK the way people generally suggest to watch Fate/Stay Night is to:

Play the first route of Fate/Stay Night instead of the Anime. Unless you really don't want to play the visual novel and really want the world building from the first one. Although it should be noted that F/S N isn't really the Fate route. It's a combination of all 3 routes so it does spoiler UBW a bit. You should never watch this after watching either F/Z or F/S UBW, and you really should just skip it.

F/S N, F/S UBW, F/S Heaven's Feel also spoil F/Z and F/Z largely spoils F/S Heaven's Feel.

F/Z does a good job at world building better than UBW and is a better introduction to the series if you don't want to play the visual novel.

But you really shouldn't watch F/Z after watching UBW since you'll just spoil Heaven's Feel while already having spoiled F/Z. But since the movie isn't out, you can do so if you don't want to wait.

Basically either watch F/Z first or watch it last.
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Basically:

Watch Fate/Zero first and then Fate/Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works next
Or vice versa
And then watch the Fate Stay/Night - Heavens Feel movie when it is released

Ignore the original Fate/Stay Night series
Ignore the Unlimited Blade Works movie
Watch Prisma Ilya whatever its called if you want, seems unrelated to the main series
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Tmaster148 posted...

Basically either watch F/Z first or watch it last.

This is the general consensus of the fate subreddit as well, btw.
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I'm on the second season of Unlimited Blade Works. On the episode where Beserker and Ilya bite the bullet. Fuck Shinji and whom I assume is Gilgamesh. They did a good job making me feel for Ilya in one ep while I hated her whenever I saw her in the first season.

I don't even know what's gonna happen next. The villains right now are pissing off lol
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*is the only person in the world who likes the original series*

Unlimited Blade Works plays out like a fucking fanfic

Prisma Ilya is great though
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I finished it. It was pretty good. The last episode was unnecessary though unless they're making a direct sequel or something. The Archer twist was good. I started on Zero.
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thompsontalker7 posted...

*is the only person in the world who likes the original series*

Unlimited Blade Works plays out like a fucking fanfic

Prisma Ilya is great though

I'd love to see a Fate adaption by Ufotable.
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I don't know if I started with the wrong series, but I watched one of the Fates up through episode 7 and I was pretty confused about a lot of things so I dropped it.
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TheRealItachi posted...

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Proably should have watched Fate/Zero first, since UBW is a sequel, but if you're not confused about the story yet, I don't think you're missing much. You should definetly watch Zero at some point tho.

What?
No, that is an EXTREMELY stupid idea.
Zero should only be watched LAST, because it spoils the hell out of literally everything else.

To be fair everything else spoils Fate/Zero too. >_>

Good show
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Yes