Poll of the Day > People who are against medical marijuana, why?

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Try to avoid discussing personal usage as you will get modded

Anyway, was just curious why people are against this plant of justice. It's just so weird seeing all the benefits it has yet so many are against it. Was just curious because

1) It will be legalized in the future, both federally and hopefully globally
2) It is not in the same league as psychedelic drugs
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People against it would rather see people suffer, and they're still brainwashed by anti drug government propaganda they heard as a kid.
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weed is illegal because it makes you more empathetic and that's a big no no
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Because drugs r bad, mmkay?
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At this point I blame Big Pharma more than anything else and the media can't bite the hand that feeds it these days when it seems like half of all commercials are for drugs.
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Pretty much brainwashed by propaganda or religion. I don't blame em too much. When you get told over and over, as a kid, that something is super bad mmkay? you sort of develop an innate predisposition to think it's super bad.
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I have no issue with it being used for medicinal reasons. I have no interest in its recreational use though.
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I'm against the smell of it, so just don't do it around me. Same with cigarettes.
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Here is an anecdote from my own life:

When I got my first bout of diverticulitis(colon infection - eventually had to have 12 inches of infected colon removed), I actually didnt know I had a problem because on day 1 I planned on smoking all day anyways. turns out MJ reduces the pain(which, diverticulitis is one of the most painful things ive experienced) to almost nothing. So I didnt know I had an infection because I was so high, didnt even notice until that evening when i got ready to go to bed and noticed i felt funny.

Sure, the painkillers they give you also reduce the pain, but MJ is safer, imo, than painkillers. I cant even recall what worked better, my pills or my MJ, but even if they were equally as good, with MJ there is no risk of physical dependency really. So, when i'd get a new bout of diverticultis and had no painkillers available, i'd choose MJ because it was just as good and easier to get than the legal substance in some ways as you dont need a doctors prescription(which can be hard to get as doctors arent allowed - or so i was told - to refill pain med prescriptions over the phone)

I think people who are against it for medical use think there is no legitimate medicinal purpose
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The NFL is one of the biggest offenders. They suspend players for smoking a bit of ganja to safely help their chronic body and head pains with little to no side effects or threat of addiction, whereas the painkillers and opioids that are constantly thrown at them are totally fine, despite being highly addictive and worse for the body.
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Who is against medical use?
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jsb0714 posted...

I have no issue with it being used for medicinal reasons. I have no interest in its recreational use though.

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100% for the legalization of marijuana

Both medicinal and recreational
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I am 100 percent for every drug being legal. A human shouldnt be able to govern what another human can or cannot do when it only involves themselves lol land of the free.

Not to mention many of these are literally mind expanding substances and people have been cured of things like ptsd anxiety depression in literally 1 use as compared to the drugs they wanna give you which often makes things worse. Links to shootings suicide worse symptoms then when you started the meds etc.

BLTC.org
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Zangulus posted...

Mostly because they believe the lies spoon fed to them as children. The federal government considers marijuana more dangerous than heroine. Which is fucking ridiculous.

When my wife was hospitalized this last time, they harangued her about how she'd disappoint her parents and would ruin her life if she kept using marijuana. She uses it to help her MS symptoms. But the fucking assholes were just shoving bullshit down her throat. Her mother is where we get it from for fuck's sake. Lawls.

Not really lawls, it is very sad that people don't like it mainly because of the stigma. How do I know? Because I was Exactly like those people before I actually... well yea

Anyway, I think ignorance and as you and everyone said, the stigma attached to it by society makes it bad. What baffles me is many people have said it is better than drugs, helps alleviate pain (albeit temporarily) and we as a group ban it. I just can't imagine how dumb we're going to look hundreds of years down the line

It's also obvious politics is trying to plan/gouge out as much as they can from the obvious benefits it will have. Perfect example of how disgusting ignorance/green can be :(

I just get annoyed because when people clearly benefit from it and instead they're given other medicine (that can be harmful and super expensive), it just poses the question "why?"
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mastermix3000 posted...

Anyway, was just curious why people are against this plant of justice

Well, number one is because people are referring to it as a "plant of justice". Seriously, what the fuck.

Number two, actual, solid, peer-reviewed research on the benefits - or just general effects - of marijuana on health are notoriously sparse - most of the attributed benefits are anecdotal and not backed up by proper medical science. Unsurprisingly, a substantial amount of people who supposedly "need" medical marijuana are using it for nebulous and impossible to verify conditions like "chronic pain" and "stress". This is not to say that everyone on medical marijuana is scamming the system, but there are a huge number of people who are.
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darkknight109 posted...

Number two, actual, solid, peer-reviewed research on the benefits - or just general effects - of marijuana on health are notoriously sparse - most of the attributed benefits are anecdotal and not backed up by proper medical science.

Nope.

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/cannabis-pdq
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The_Numerous posted...

I am 100 percent for every drug being legal. A human shouldnt be able to govern what another human can or cannot do when it only involves themselves lol land of the free.

Two comments on this.

First, nothing potentially harmful ever involves "just you." Directly, the government will be responsible for health care resources (and potentially payment of medical bills) devoted to addressing any harm that arises from this, which are resources that could be used elsewhere for naturally-occurring conditions. Indirectly, your friends and family may have to take time off work to care for you, which lowers productivity. This is why things like seat belts are mandatory, despite the fact that you'd be the only one to suffer if you don't use them.

Second, relying on "freedom of choice" as your argument falls a little flat when you're discussing substances that take away your freedom to choose. Crystal meth, cocaine, heroin, speed... all highly addictive substances - in some cases are so addictive the withdrawal symptoms can be fatal if not properly treated. I'm fine with letting people choose to make bad decisions; I'm less fine with the idea of letting people make a bad decision that can be almost impossible to escape from.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Number two, actual, solid, peer-reviewed research on the benefits - or just general effects - of marijuana on health are notoriously sparse - most of the attributed benefits are anecdotal and not backed up by proper medical science.

Nope.

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/cannabis-pdq

I said most. Not all.

For those conditions that have been proven and verified by proper, peer-reviewed medical research to be effectively treated by marijuana, fine - go nuts. The problem is marijuana is being used to treat many more conditions than it has been proven to be effective in treating (and the side effects are still poorly understood, due to a lack of research on long-term effects - witness how some people in this very topic are saying that marijuana has "few" or "no" side-effects, which is demonstrably false).
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Bruh if the people want it (this country was built on "for the people", not the people in charge fyi) the people should get it. IOW there is no way/reason for it to still be illegal
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darkknight109 posted...

Number two, actual, solid, peer-reviewed research on the benefits - or just general effects - of marijuana on health are notoriously sparse - most of the attributed benefits are anecdotal and not backed up by proper medical science.

The issue is very little research has been done because of the legal status of cannabis. And governments are hesitant to legalize because of a lack of research showing this either way. It's a stalemate.

I've had good success using it for nausea, migraines, and ADHD. It's also highly effective for menstrual pain. I'd much prefer that to the $25 migraine abortifacient pills that kick my ass and render me unable to work or drive or do anything for the whole day. $25 of the alternative would manage a lot more migraines than one pill.
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darkknight109 posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Number two, actual, solid, peer-reviewed research on the benefits - or just general effects - of marijuana on health are notoriously sparse - most of the attributed benefits are anecdotal and not backed up by proper medical science.

Nope.

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/patient/cannabis-pdq

I said most. Not all.

For those conditions that have been proven and verified by proper, peer-reviewed medical research to be effectively treated by marijuana, fine - go nuts. The problem is marijuana is being used to treat many more conditions than it has been proven to be effective in treating (and the side effects are still poorly understood, due to a lack of research on long-term effects - witness how some people in this very topic are saying that marijuana has "few" or "no" side-effects, which is demonstrably false).

The medical benefits of marijuana have been categorized and documented for centuries. Modern medical science is simply relearning what was already known.
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mastermix3000 posted...

Bruh if the people want it (this country was built on "for the people", not the people in charge fyi) the people should get it. IOW there is no way/reason for it to still be illegal

I am also part of "the people"; ergo, I also get a say in whether or not legalization should occur.

And yes, I acknowledge support for legalization is growing. In some areas of the world, that support constitutes a clear majority and legalization is likely inevitable. I also think the current regime of having it as a felony offence is stupid (personally I think it should be decriminalized - make simple possession and use a ticketable misdemeanour, like speeding, rather than a charge that warrants prison time and a permanent record).

But I think flat-out legalization is a terrible idea that will eventually be looked back upon as a mistake. And I won't hesitate to argue that point when the subject comes up.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

The issue is very little research has been done because of the legal status of cannabis. And governments are hesitant to legalize because of a lack of research showing this either way. It's a stalemate.

I acknowledge this and agree it's a stupid situation. Good policy stems from good research - constrict the latter and you constrict the former.

I think both sides of this issue should be in full support of extensive research into the subject. If researchers could prove the full extent of marijuana's benefits while extensively documenting the short- and long-term consequences of chronic use, we'd be able to make a much more educated decision on whether or not legalization was a good idea. Under the current system, we're largely flying blind (which is why I tend to base my opinion on an abundance of caution).

SunWuKung420 posted...

The medical benefits of marijuana have been categorized and documented for centuries. Modern medical science is simply relearning what was already known.

Pardon me for not kowtowing to the wisdom of the ancients, but old timey medicine also believed that disease was spread through "bad air" miasma that could effectively be countered by tying a bundle of flowers under your nose.

I'll put my faith in modern science, thanks.
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darkknight109 posted...

I acknowledge this and agree it's a stupid situation. Good policy stems from good research - constrict the latter and you constrict the former.

I think both sides of this issue should be in full support of extensive research into the subject. If researchers could prove the full extent of marijuana's benefits while extensively documenting the short- and long-term consequences of chronic use, we'd be able to make a much more educated decision on whether or not legalization was a good idea. Under the current system, we're largely flying blind (which is why I tend to base my opinion on an abundance of caution).

I'm in agreement with this fully. Research needs to be a priority. My stance is in support of legalization if only for the punishment being harshly disproportionate to the damage to society that possession and use of cannabis poses. It does significantly more harm to individuals, families, communities, and society at large to impose harsh criminal sentences on people that are effectively self medicating. I say self medicating with respect to the large overlap of people with certain conditions being regular users.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

My stance is in support of legalization if only for the punishment being harshly disproportionate to the damage to society that possession and use of cannabis poses. It does significantly more harm to individuals, families, communities, and society at large to impose harsh criminal sentences on people that are effectively self medicating.

I certainly don't disagree that the current punishment is vastly disproportionate to the crime, which is why I support decriminalization. I still think that legalization is a bad idea, for multiple reasons, but tossing large segments of the population in jail and giving them criminal records for an activity undertaken in recreation whose ill-effects are largely constrained to one's self seems more than a bit excessive to me.
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I can't stand the stink of marijuana smoke, but my wife has relapsing-remitting multiple sclerosis and if during her next relapse she's in as much pain as she has been in the past, I'll have no qualms about buying some marijuana for her to try. (She doesn't react well to carbamazepine, which seems to be the painkiller of choice for doctors to prescribe for MS pain.)
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darkknight109 posted...

I certainly don't disagree that the current punishment is vastly disproportionate to the crime, which is why I support decriminalization. I still think that legalization is a bad idea, for multiple reasons, but tossing large segments of the population in jail and giving them criminal records for an activity undertaken in recreation whose ill-effects are largely constrained to one's self seems more than a bit excessive to me.

You're right, decriminalization would address the punishment issue. But I strongly believe that people should have the right to grow and consume anything they want.

If the US protects the right to lethal weapons, the right to garden should also be assured with far less potential to harm society.
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Because it makes them feel all high and mighty. Granted inhaling smoke isn't good for anyone's lungs in the long run, but I see just as many drugs that can seriously screw your health over on TV commercials.

As far as natural cures, which human beings were using waaay before big pharmacy, being safer then chemical, they can be just as dangerous as chemical medicine and just as beneficial.
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Lil_Bit83 posted...

Because it makes them feel all high and mighty. Granted inhaling smoke isn't good for anyone's lungs, but I see just as many drugs that can seriously screw your health over on TV commercials too.

Believe it or not you don't have to smoke it or consume it in a way that harms lungs. Smoking is probably the worst way in terms of cost and effectiveness as well.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Lil_Bit83 posted...

Because it makes them feel all high and mighty. Granted inhaling smoke isn't good for anyone's lungs, but I see just as many drugs that can seriously screw your health over on TV commercials too.

Believe it or not you don't have to smoke it or consume it in a way that harms lungs. Smoking is probably the worst way in terms of cost and effectiveness as well.

Ah. I can't imagine it'd taste very good, but then again neither does NyQuil. So do they have it in tablet form?
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Lil_Bit83 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Lil_Bit83 posted...

Because it makes them feel all high and mighty. Granted inhaling smoke isn't good for anyone's lungs, but I see just as many drugs that can seriously screw your health over on TV commercials too.

Believe it or not you don't have to smoke it or consume it in a way that harms lungs. Smoking is probably the worst way in terms of cost and effectiveness as well.

Ah. I can't imagine it'd taste very good, but then again neither does NyQuil. So do they have it in tablet form?

Not exactly. With plant matter you can combust it (smoke) or vaporize it. Or make extracts. You could put extracts in capsules I guess.

There are all sorts of edibles that taste good (from baked goods to candy to nuts to honey).

How you consume it also really impacts how it works on you. There are a lot more options than just smoking and I believe that doctors giving medical prescriptions will recommend taking it in ways other than smoking.
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I want people to suffer
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Im laughing at all the drug addicts itt making shit up trying to justify there illegal drug addict behaviour.

They are so blatantly addicted and brainwashed its hilarious. They only care about medical pot because its a stepping stone to legalizing the real thing which is al they want.
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Marijuana medically is used to alleviate pain and suffering

... But I'm pro-pain (and pro-pain accessories)
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If it's in private spaces I dont care, but I don't want to walk in the street breathing that. Same with regular cigarretes, breathing is kinda important.
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ColdOne666 posted...

Im laughing at all the drug addicts itt making shit up trying to justify there illegal drug addict behaviour.

They are so blatantly addicted and brainwashed its hilarious. They only care about medical pot because its a stepping stone to legalizing the real thing which is al they want.

Tell me, what's it like being brainwashed by propaganda and misinformation?
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the drug is illegal federally, i dont think putting "medical" in front of that changes it. there are lots of legal medication people can take
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If I have to deal with how much life sucks, so should you
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Erik_P posted...

People against it would rather see people suffer, and they're still brainwashed by anti drug government propaganda they heard as a kid.

I've seen enough of the negative affects in real life to know that anyone dealing in the bad drugs (opioids included) don't have your best interests at heart, "it's a money thing"-my Dad
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

the drug is illegal federally, i dont think putting "medical" in front of that changes it. there are lots of legal medication people can take

And it's illegal because its benefits medically threatened the profits of big pharma and its commercial uses threatened cotton and paper company profits.

Also, those legal medications are much worse for people.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Tell me, what's it like being brainwashed by propaganda and misinformation?

SunWuKung420 posted...

And it's illegal because its benefits medically threatened the profits of big pharma and its commercial uses threatened cotton and paper company profits.

Also, those legal medications are much worse for people.

Just FYI, posts like these really don't help your cause.
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darkknight109 posted...

Just FYI, posts like these really don't help your cause.

I should use lies like the US Government instead?

It's not illegal because people get high or because it's bad for you (since it's not). The brain contains cannabinoid receptors (this is medical science fact) so unlike other drugs that mimic serotonin or endorphins (and their continued use affects the body's ability to make them), our bodies are literally designed to have marijuana in our diets.

Given the NCI data I posted, it stands to reason that a safe and effective reactive medicinal compound also has proactive benefits, like vitamin C.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Just FYI, posts like these really don't help your cause.

I should use lies like the US Government instead?

It's not illegal because people get high or because it's bad for you (since it's not). The brain contains cannabinoid receptors (this is medical science fact) so unlike other drugs that mimic serotonin or endorphins (and their continued use affects the body's ability to make them), our bodies are literally designed to have marijuana in our diets.

Given the NCI data I posted, it stands to reason that a safe and effective reactive medicinal compound also has proactive benefits, like vitamin C.

Can I have a legitimate source for that.
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I am weary of whenever there is such a strong and clear tide against something. I haven't heard any real evidence that suggests marijuana should be illegal, other than it's less dangerous than alcohol/opiuts/painkillers, so it should be made illegal.

I'm not against it to be clear, I just am not for it.

Also:
No studies actually work, because it's a scedule 1 drug, so you can't properly test things, because that means the researchers are giving people scedule 1 drugs.

And pain is almost impossible to measure on any scale, because it's so subjective. It may work, but there's nothing official.

HappyDog posted...

Can I have a legitimate source for that.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18426493
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darkknight109 posted...

I think both sides of this issue should be in full support of extensive research into the subject. If researchers could prove the full extent of marijuana's benefits while extensively documenting the short- and long-term consequences of chronic use, we'd be able to make a much more educated decision on whether or not legalization was a good idea. Under the current system, we're largely flying blind (which is why I tend to base my opinion on an abundance of caution)..

What's amusing about this is when a drug manufacturer makes a new drug while it obviously goes through testing, the FDA, and clinical trials. They sometimes miss something and/or the long term affects of that drug are not discovered. So basically the government wants to be "100% sure" about Marijuana but meanwhile if I own a drug company I can get my drug through faster assuming I have the resources to do so.
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darkknight109 posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Tell me, what's it like being brainwashed by propaganda and misinformation?

SunWuKung420 posted...

And it's illegal because its benefits medically threatened the profits of big pharma and its commercial uses threatened cotton and paper company profits.

Also, those legal medications are much worse for people.

Just FYI, posts like these really don't help your cause.

Big Pharma is trying to be the major players in the medical marijuana market. They see the writing on the wall and are terrified.
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