Current Events > Would African Americans be better off today if there never was slavery in the US

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Nukleen posted...

Name ONE part of Africa that's still in the 'stone age' you racist.

I believe there are many tribes that still practice and live traditional lives, many Zulus iirc.

They may be the African equivalent of Amish - shunning modernity for the sake of old values, but they absolutely live (and suffer) under stone age lifestyles.

There are pockets of tribal indigenous people all over the world, hell India has it's own island ffs. North Sentinel Island.
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reeekt posted...

Turbam posted...

No.
Without slavery in the US they would have most likely stayed in Africa


Also, any black person that is mad at white people of today for slavery is stupid as shit.

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I'd argue that the European colonialism of Africa set back Africa / Africans far more than Slavery, but short answer is Slavery did not make them better off.
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I could kinda see it both ways

I'm imagining the age of imperialism is only slowed a little, and African people eventually start to emigrate. Some would come to the US. There would be fewer African-Americans overall but I'm a lot less certain how people would react to black immigrants without a definite door-in-the-face situation to learn from. On the one hand, the black immigrants would definitely be better off financially and probably physically than the slaves were, but on the other hand not as much time will have passed for social progress and the issue will probably stay under the table a lot longer.
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Black immigrants come to America and outperform almost everyone else. They're very successful even within the first generation of being here.

The slave trade touched much of Europe too. Britain didn't outlaw slavery within it's borders until 1772. Plenty of time for the rest of Europe to get up to some shit.

And they did.
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As if CE is the place to ask. You don't come to a majority white Internet message board for racial discussion.
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ShinobiNinjaX posted...

As if CE is the place to ask. You don't come to a majority white Internet message board for racial discussion.

But really, where in America can you have this discussion, where you won't see this topic play out in exactly the same way?
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No, because then they wouldn't be in America, nest country in the world and best chance to succeed.

Then there would have been more Africans for the Muslim slave trade which lasted longer and was far more brutal.
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hollow_shrine posted...

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

As if CE is the place to ask. You don't come to a majority white Internet message board for racial discussion.

But really, where in America can you have this discussion, where you won't see this topic play out in exactly the same way?

I'm just saying, any results or data you'll collect here will be skewed from lack of perspective, trolls, etc.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Nukleen posted...

Name ONE part of Africa that's still in the 'stone age' you racist.

I believe there are many tribes that still practice and live traditional lives, many Zulus iirc.

They may be the African equivalent of Amish - shunning modernity for the sake of old values, but they absolutely live (and suffer) under stone age lifestyles.

There are pockets of tribal indigenous people all over the world, hell India has it's own island ffs. North Sentinel Island.

This post is racist
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Would the brutal colonization of Africa still have taken place?
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well pretty sure the people who got sold as slaves were the enemies of stronger tribes that enslaved them

as such

without the slave trade their lineage would have been wiped out or they would have remained slaves in Africa to the tribe that defeated them in battle

so then the question becomes, who fared better? the slaves in Africa or the slaves in America?
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ShinobiNinjaX posted...

As if CE is the place to ask. You don't come to a majority white Internet message board for racial discussion.

"If it's majority white you can't discuss there! Unless you agree with me, you aren't seriously and legitimately discussing!!!"

Well to be fair, skin tone does has a large effect on the brain's ability to come to conclusions, apparently
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Clad posted...

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

As if CE is the place to ask. You don't come to a majority white Internet message board for racial discussion.

"If it's majority white you can't discuss there! Unless you agree with me, you aren't seriously and legitimately discussing!!!"

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

I'm just saying, any results or data you'll collect here will be skewed from lack of perspective, trolls, etc.

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Nukleen posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Nukleen posted...

Name ONE part of Africa that's still in the 'stone age' you racist.

I believe there are many tribes that still practice and live traditional lives, many Zulus iirc.

They may be the African equivalent of Amish - shunning modernity for the sake of old values, but they absolutely live (and suffer) under stone age lifestyles.

There are pockets of tribal indigenous people all over the world, hell India has it's own island ffs. North Sentinel Island.

This post is racist

Why? It's a conscious decision they make to maintain their culture. They are well aware of the outside world but choose to live the way they do
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ShinobiNinjaX posted...

Clad posted...

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

As if CE is the place to ask. You don't come to a majority white Internet message board for racial discussion.

"If it's majority white you can't discuss there! Unless you agree with me, you aren't seriously and legitimately discussing!!!"

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

I'm just saying, any results or data you'll collect here will be skewed from lack of perspective, trolls, etc.

"I'm just saying that a white majority means you can't have perspective or accurate data!!!"

Clad posted...

"I'm just saying that a white majority means you can't have perspective or accurate data!!!"

It's a known fact that people of colour don't suffer from weaknesses such partiality and impatience.
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QuantumScript posted...

Black immigrants come to America and outperform almost everyone else. They're very successful even within the first generation of being here.

This does seem to have some truth to it, like look at Obama for example. Is it a coincidence that the first black president was the child of a recent African immigrant and not an African-American who descended directly from slaves? Probably not honestly. It just goes to show how important the social, community, and family bonds are, things that have been devastated in the African-American community. It's also proof in my opinion that it's not genetic but a product of one's upbringing.
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Its a common thing among all first generation immigrants, then it drops a bit in the second generation, and in the third its no different than the next person
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Sativa_Rose posted...

QuantumScript posted...

Black immigrants come to America and outperform almost everyone else. They're very successful even within the first generation of being here.

This does seem to have some truth to it, like look at Obama for example. Is it a coincidence that the first black president was the child of a recent African immigrant and not an African-American who descended directly from slaves? Probably not honestly. It just goes to show how important the social, community, and family bonds are, things that have been devastated in the African-American community. It's also proof in my opinion that it's not genetic but a product of one's upbringing.

People have choices too man. You don't have to allow your upbringing to define you or control your destiny.
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Dathrowed1 posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

QuantumScript posted...

Black immigrants come to America and outperform almost everyone else. They're very successful even within the first generation of being here.

This does seem to have some truth to it, like look at Obama for example. Is it a coincidence that the first black president was the child of a recent African immigrant and not an African-American who descended directly from slaves? Probably not honestly. It just goes to show how important the social, community, and family bonds are, things that have been devastated in the African-American community. It's also proof in my opinion that it's not genetic but a product of one's upbringing.

People have choices too man. You don't have to allow your upbringing to define you or control your destiny.

I agree, but it's true that our upbringing affects us too. People ultimately have free will and the ability to escape from the life they were born into, but the ease of doing that varies depending on how shitty your circumstances are. Some people never get a chance at all, e.g. someone who is killed during their infancy.
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This freakin topic

Ryo_the_Inferno posted...

known2FAIL posted...

Yes. Not only did slavery set back blacks in the US for MANY decades it also set back Africa as a whole for centuries. Long ago Africa was the most advanced continent in the world. That changed during slavery.

Most of Africa never would have gotten out of the stone age. Some of Africa is STILL in the stone age.

This.

Also, the slaves would still be slaves. They just ​would have been sold elsewhere.

Also, a reminder to those suffering white guilt here that the slaves were​ caught and sold by Africans, not white people.
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What is this
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Sad

Nukleen posted...

Ryo_the_Inferno posted...

known2FAIL posted...

Yes. Not only did slavery set back blacks in the US for MANY decades it also set back Africa as a whole for centuries. Long ago Africa was the most advanced continent in the world. That changed during slavery.

Most of Africa never would have gotten out of the stone age. Some of Africa is STILL in the stone age.

Name ONE part of Africa that's still in the 'stone age' you racist.

There are tribes in Africa that have had no contact with the outside world and still live in huts and use spears.

Not many, but they exist.

Also, Africans would have been slaves even without Europeans, anyway. The middle east was enslaving Africans before Europe ever got involved, and are still enslaving Africans today.

Also also, a lot of the people that sold, and are selling, Africans into slavery are, in fact, other Africans.
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Ryo_the_Inferno posted...

Nukleen posted...

Ryo_the_Inferno posted...

known2FAIL posted...

Yes. Not only did slavery set back blacks in the US for MANY decades it also set back Africa as a whole for centuries. Long ago Africa was the most advanced continent in the world. That changed during slavery.

Most of Africa never would have gotten out of the stone age. Some of Africa is STILL in the stone age.

Name ONE part of Africa that's still in the 'stone age' you racist.

There are tribes in Africa that have had no contact with the outside world and still live in huts and use spears.

Not many, but they exist.

Also, Africans would have been slaves even without Europeans, anyway. The middle east was enslaving Africans before Europe ever got involved, and are still enslaving Africans today.

Also also, a lot of the people that sold, and are selling, Africans into slavery are, in fact, other Africans.

Yes, like that Sentinelese Tribe

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

As if CE is the place to ask. You don't come to a majority white Internet message board for racial discussion.

But really, where in America can you have this discussion, where you won't see this topic play out in exactly the same way?

I'm just saying, any results or data you'll collect here will be skewed from lack of perspective, trolls, etc.

This is very much true. That being said, 'no' is the only good answer imo.

If the topic were about slavery in general, it could be a different story. One reason many African societies were held back is because of the Europeans as well. But regardless, I'd rather stick with our current timeline as it seems like the best end-result for black Americans/Europeans.
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@Clad posted...

ShinobiNinjaX posted...

As if CE is the place to ask. You don't come to a majority white Internet message board for racial discussion.

"If it's majority white you can't discuss there! Unless you agree with me, you aren't seriously and legitimately discussing!!!"

Stop with the stupid amounts of spinning. There is no remote implication of your extrapolation which just makes your post seem incredibly daft. And you know he's at least partially correct. This is the same board that almost unanimously gets "whites" voted as the top most persecuted race/race that has it hardest in life in contemporary American society.
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