Current Events > Man fired from Home Depot for preventing a kidnapping.

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supporters of "at will" employment should be locked up, along with opposers of unions.
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We don't need unions guys everything's fine.
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fan357 posted...

We don't need unions guys everything's fine.

Problem with this is the largest employers in the company all employ lower-income people, who are cow-towed by upper management because they need the money to support their family. I'm fairly certain Home Depot or Walmart have no problems closing down the store if they try to unionize, because they're big enough to absorb the losses from that, as opposed to their workers becoming unionized. I worked for a call center in my younger years who threatened to do exactly that if we ever voted to join a union.

At-will employment sucks ass, but realistically, all an employer has to do is prove that an employee was operating outside guidelines established upon their hiring.
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Alucard188 posted...

fan357 posted...

We don't need unions guys everything's fine.

Problem with this is the largest employers in the company all employ lower-income people, who are cow-towed by upper management because they need the money to support their family. I'm fairly certain Home Depot or Walmart have no problems closing down the store if they try to unionize, because they're big enough to absorb the losses from that, as opposed to their workers becoming unionized. I worked for a call center in my younger years who threatened to do exactly that if we ever voted to join a union.

At-will employment sucks ass, but realistically, all an employer has to do is prove that an employee was operating outside guidelines established upon their hiring.

Walmart isn't going to shut down a store just because workers demand fair treatment
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Snitches get... fired?
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Rika_Furude posted...

Alucard188 posted...

fan357 posted...

We don't need unions guys everything's fine.

Problem with this is the largest employers in the company all employ lower-income people, who are cow-towed by upper management because they need the money to support their family. I'm fairly certain Home Depot or Walmart have no problems closing down the store if they try to unionize, because they're big enough to absorb the losses from that, as opposed to their workers becoming unionized. I worked for a call center in my younger years who threatened to do exactly that if we ever voted to join a union.

At-will employment sucks ass, but realistically, all an employer has to do is prove that an employee was operating outside guidelines established upon their hiring.

Walmart isn't going to shut down a store just because workers demand fair treatment

You don't think so? I'm sure their number-crunchers would operate at a cost effect ratio determine what would be the most friendly thing for their shareholders and daddy Walmart himself. The easiest thing to do would be to offer some concessions to keep them from feeling like they should unionize. However, hard asses will a cut off the nose to spite the face, especially if you're Walmart, and you can shit out a new store in about 4 months. If they can force hundreds of people out of work to prove a point about unionization to the rest of their stores across the country, I don't think they would be above that.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Alucard188 posted...

fan357 posted...

We don't need unions guys everything's fine.

Problem with this is the largest employers in the company all employ lower-income people, who are cow-towed by upper management because they need the money to support their family. I'm fairly certain Home Depot or Walmart have no problems closing down the store if they try to unionize, because they're big enough to absorb the losses from that, as opposed to their workers becoming unionized. I worked for a call center in my younger years who threatened to do exactly that if we ever voted to join a union.

At-will employment sucks ass, but realistically, all an employer has to do is prove that an employee was operating outside guidelines established upon their hiring.

Walmart isn't going to shut down a store just because workers demand fair treatment

You're so naive that it's kinda cute. They'll definitely shut down a store to stop it from unionizing. Much smaller companies than Wal Mart and Home Depot have done it.
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CableZL posted...

Snitches get... fired?

i don't agree with the outcome but based on this evidence. that's about right. really ****ed up if you ask me in terms of policy's (can understand not to interfere with a shoplifter) if it is stated you leave them be while working.
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If this wasn't a violation of the standards that employers expect then why fire him?
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GiftedACIII posted...

If this wasn't a violation of the standards that employers expect then why fire him?

all they need is to find a reason to fire someone even if it is for a lame reason. workers are easily replaceable (entry level jobs).
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Cops should get a warrant and tear the place apart
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MuayThai85 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Alucard188 posted...

fan357 posted...

We don't need unions guys everything's fine.

Problem with this is the largest employers in the company all employ lower-income people, who are cow-towed by upper management because they need the money to support their family. I'm fairly certain Home Depot or Walmart have no problems closing down the store if they try to unionize, because they're big enough to absorb the losses from that, as opposed to their workers becoming unionized. I worked for a call center in my younger years who threatened to do exactly that if we ever voted to join a union.

At-will employment sucks ass, but realistically, all an employer has to do is prove that an employee was operating outside guidelines established upon their hiring.

Walmart isn't going to shut down a store just because workers demand fair treatment

You're so naive that it's kinda cute. They'll definitely shut down a store to stop it from unionizing. Much smaller companies than Wal Mart and Home Depot have done it.

If that's going to be a problem, America should outlaw that type of behavior. Walmart should have the hammer dropped on them and fined absurd amounts of money if they start discriminating based on union membership. "Example maker" fines in the range of hundreds of millions if they have to, to prevent other businesses from joining the anti-union bandwagon.
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Jokeaccountinc posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Alucard188 posted...

fan357 posted...

We don't need unions guys everything's fine.

Problem with this is the largest employers in the company all employ lower-income people, who are cow-towed by upper management because they need the money to support their family. I'm fairly certain Home Depot or Walmart have no problems closing down the store if they try to unionize, because they're big enough to absorb the losses from that, as opposed to their workers becoming unionized. I worked for a call center in my younger years who threatened to do exactly that if we ever voted to join a union.

At-will employment sucks ass, but realistically, all an employer has to do is prove that an employee was operating outside guidelines established upon their hiring.

Walmart isn't going to shut down a store just because workers demand fair treatment

You're so naive that it's kinda cute. They'll definitely shut down a store to stop it from unionizing. Much smaller companies than Wal Mart and Home Depot have done it.

If that's going to be a problem, America should outlaw that type of behavior. Walmart should have the hammer dropped on them and fined absurd amounts of money if they start discriminating based on union membership. "Example maker" fines in the range of hundreds of millions if they have to, to prevent other businesses from joining the anti-union bandwagon.

Is it like this in Australia?

Yeah, can't be fired or discriminated in any way based on union membership here.
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Rika_Furude posted...

If that's going to be a problem, America should outlaw that type of behavior. Walmart should have the hammer dropped on them and fined absurd amounts of money if they start discriminating based on union membership. "Example maker" fines in the range of hundreds of millions if they have to, to prevent other businesses from joining the anti-union bandwagon.

But Republicans are anti-union, and they control every branch of the government, so they aren't going to inact any laws like that, or fine any corporation. Republicans are pro-big business.
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Bandit_Keith posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

If that's going to be a problem, America should outlaw that type of behavior. Walmart should have the hammer dropped on them and fined absurd amounts of money if they start discriminating based on union membership. "Example maker" fines in the range of hundreds of millions if they have to, to prevent other businesses from joining the anti-union bandwagon.

But Republicans are anti-union, and they control every branch of the government, so they aren't going to inact any laws like that, or fine any corporation. Republicans are pro-big business.

Well, you guys made your bed. You guys can't tell me you didn't expect literally exactly the type of stuff in the OP when you decided to implement at will employment.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Well, you guys made your bed.

Can't force everyone to vote the way I want them to. They made the bed, the rest of us have to lie in it.
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Bandit_Keith posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Well, you guys made your bed.

Can't force everyone to vote the way I want them to. They made the bed, the rest of us have to lie in it.

Yeah, but stuff like this is what the majority of americans want.
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Wtf is shop unionizing?
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Imagine boasting about being the land of the free, then letting companies get away with all this shit if their workers try to unionize.
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Uh, is this fake? Because the way it's worded they said he was not fired for violating any expected standards of conduct or whatever. This letter literally says 'we fired you for no reason'
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I worked for a heinous retail joint once. They had a rule about not even trying to get involved in stopping any sort of illegal thing. Be it theft or robbery. But I am positive and not even hesitant in saying this would fall under it too. Terrible place.
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thronedfire2 posted...

Uh, is this fake? Because the way it's worded they said he was not fired for violating any expected standards of conduct or whatever. This letter literally says 'we fired you for no reason'

I thought that at first, but looks like it's just being clear that the reason for firing wasn't due to being shit at the job, for work reference fir future employers. Kinda like saying "He got fired cos he can't be full time like we want".

But the real question here is...

WTF IS EMPLOYER ONIONIZING? CHEEZE AND ONIONS!!!
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GiantDad posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

Uh, is this fake? Because the way it's worded they said he was not fired for violating any expected standards of conduct or whatever. This letter literally says 'we fired you for no reason'

I thought that at first, but looks like it's just being clear that the reason for firing wasn't due to being shit at the job, for work reference fir future employers. Kinda like saying "He got fired cos he can't be full time like we want".

But the real question here is...

WTF IS EMPLOYER ONIONIZING? CHEEZE AND ONIONS!!!

No. The way it's worded is resolving him of any fault. These documents can't be retracted after they're filed, whatever it says is what happens.
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EternalDivide posted...

I worked for a heinous retail joint once. They had a rule about not even trying to get involved in stopping any sort of illegal thing. Be it theft or robbery. But I am positive and not even hesitant in saying this would fall under it too. Terrible place.

My guess is that's because they have shit/no insurance for the employees and don't want them hurt on the job or something idk
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EternalDivide posted...

I worked for a heinous retail joint once. They had a rule about not even trying to get involved in stopping any sort of illegal thing. Be it theft or robbery. But I am positive and not even hesitant in saying this would fall under it too. Terrible place.

yeah every retail place says that. All their merchandise is insured and theft is built into the price, they expect it. It costs way more if someone decides to sue because "this is my job I thought I had to do it"

although I wouldn't give a shit about that rule if it was a kidnapping. but this guy will get his job back if he wants it and he fights it. Even at will places still have to have a valid reason to fire someone. And yes, "bad at their job" is a valid reason, it just has to be properly documented. I was a manager for nursing home kitchens for a while and my bosses flat out refused to let me fire anyone until HR reviewed it because it was a shitty company that got a lot of complaints and finally smartened up. I had a guy that came into work drunk a bunch of times and my boss let it slide, and I gave him a warning and then a final warning when I took over, and then he came in still drunk from the night before on a Saturday, that was the first day I had had off in like 3 months. So I was pissed and suspended him on the spot but I still had to have HR review it and had to have him come back in to sign the dismisall notice.
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thronedfire2 posted...

No.

Yes.

The way it's worded is resolving him of any fault.

I know.

These documents can't be retracted after they're filed, whatever it says is what happens.

Good job that has nothing to do with anything.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Jokeaccountinc posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Alucard188 posted...

fan357 posted...

We don't need unions guys everything's fine.

Problem with this is the largest employers in the company all employ lower-income people, who are cow-towed by upper management because they need the money to support their family. I'm fairly certain Home Depot or Walmart have no problems closing down the store if they try to unionize, because they're big enough to absorb the losses from that, as opposed to their workers becoming unionized. I worked for a call center in my younger years who threatened to do exactly that if we ever voted to join a union.

At-will employment sucks ass, but realistically, all an employer has to do is prove that an employee was operating outside guidelines established upon their hiring.

Walmart isn't going to shut down a store just because workers demand fair treatment

You're so naive that it's kinda cute. They'll definitely shut down a store to stop it from unionizing. Much smaller companies than Wal Mart and Home Depot have done it.

If that's going to be a problem, America should outlaw that type of behavior. Walmart should have the hammer dropped on them and fined absurd amounts of money if they start discriminating based on union membership. "Example maker" fines in the range of hundreds of millions if they have to, to prevent other businesses from joining the anti-union bandwagon.

Is it like this in Australia?

Yeah, can't be fired or discriminated in any way based on union membership here.

You aren't being fired or discriminated against. You're being laid off when they decide they'd rather shut their doors than set a precedent for unionisation and other stores try to follow suit.

It's legal in Canada as well. And I'm almost certain it's legal in Australia. No business has to accept a union, they don't need permission to shut down a location or a business as a whole.
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MuayThai85 posted...

You aren't being fired or discriminated against. You're being laid off when they decide they'd rather shut their doors than set a precedent for unionisation and other stores try to follow suit.

aka discrimination
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That is not discrimination in the least bit. Unionisation can cause multitudes of issue for a company of any size. If they want to lay everyone off and start over somewhere else or not at all, they are more than in their right to do that.

I've worked both union and non-union jobs. They both had their advantages and disadvantages but in the end one of them wasn't costing hundreds of dollars per year in dues.
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MuayThai85 posted...

Unionisation can cause multitudes of issue for a company of any size.

Just for clarification, we are talking about real issues. What issues are you talking about?
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CableZL posted...

Snitches get... fired?

snitches no longer receive stitches due to the removal of your health benefits
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Rika_Furude posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

Unionisation can cause multitudes of issue for a company of any size.

Just for clarification, we are talking about real issues. What issues are you talking about?

Strikes, increased wages (can cripple a small business), etc. Most of it is obviously monetary for a business.

I worked a union job that had a two tier wage system. If you were hired before the end of the previous contract you got $32/hour but if after you only got $18. So someone could have gotten hired a month before you and make nearly twice as much for the exact same job.

That company was AB IN-Bev (beer brewery).
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MuayThai85 posted...

Strikes, increased wages (can cripple a small business), etc. Most of it is obviously monetary for a business.

See, this is where we disagree. I value employee rights/fair treatment more. If a business is not able to cope, they shouldn't be in operation.
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