D all modern AAA game engines should be designed for 60fps+ on all platforms

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Slip-N-Slide 07/01/17 1:57:45 PM #1:	C. They need to be designed from the ground up with 60fps in mind. --- Get wet. http://i.imgtc.com/2q3z3TmhFO.jpg <cite>Slip-N-Slide posted [p:882152924] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>C. They need to be designed from the ground up with 60fps in mind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
megamanfreakXD 07/01/17 1:58:22 PM #2:	But that's not cinematic !!!1!!1!11oneoneone --- http://i.imgur.com/jS8HuXy.jpg http://i.imgur.com/W23cMOU.png <cite>megamanfreakXD posted [p:882152948] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>But that's not cinematic !!!1!!1!11oneoneone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 07/01/17 1:59:31 PM #3:	D Movies aren't 60 FPS for a reason. --- http://i.imgur.com/wMshiEN.jpg <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:882153004] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>D Movies aren't 60 FPS for a reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/01/17 2:00:08 PM #4:	I don't really care how high the framerate is as long as it's steady. If raising it to 60 causes studders, leave it at 30. --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:882153028] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>I don't really care how high the framerate is as long as it's steady. If raising it to 60 causes studders, leave it at 30.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FurryPhilosifer 07/01/17 2:00:23 PM #5:	60fps is too smooth. When you move your head quickly, there's a blur in your vision. 60fps doesn't have that, hence it being uncanny and nauseating for most people. --- Ghosts are cool. <cite>FurryPhilosifer posted [p:882153040] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>60fps is too smooth. When you move your head quickly, there's a blur in your vision. 60fps doesn't have that, hence it being uncanny and nauseating for most people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamer99z 07/01/17 2:00:34 PM #6:	The human eye can't see past 24fps --- "You need to lay off the peanut-butthurt and u-jelly sandwiches" - Neon Octopus <cite>Gamer99z posted [p:882153051] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>The human eye can't see past 24fps</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 07/01/17 2:03:00 PM #7:	No. Once 30 fps became the standard it reset the bar for average graphics. The general audience wouldn't welcome a leap backwards in visual quality for a smoothness in framerate that many find inconsequential. --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:882153158] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>No. Once 30 fps became the standard it reset the bar for average graphics. The general audience wouldn't welcome a leap backwards in visual quality for a smoothness in framerate that many find inconsequential.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManSpread 07/01/17 2:03:01 PM #8:	Blame consoles --- http://i.imgur.com/7PDx6Ff.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KIoH5Fa.png http://i.imgur.com/Dj68WVS.gifv http://i.imgur.com/hMt3DpQ.png <cite>ManSpread posted [p:882153159] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>Blame consoles</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/01/17 2:03:30 PM #9:	The human eye can't see past 24fps Suppose this is true. Haven't you ever heard of the Nyqyist frequency? --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:882153173] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><quote>The human eye can't see past 24fps</quote> Suppose this is true. Haven't you ever heard of the Nyqyist frequency?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 07/01/17 2:06:12 PM #10:	The Switch isn't a platform? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:882153298] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>The Switch isn't a platform?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 07/01/17 2:06:30 PM #11:	I disagree I think games need to stop giving a shit about how they look and start worrying how they play. There is almost zero games in the last 3 years I have gave a shit about, and all of those were games like The Binding of Isaac and Hollow Knight. I want to play a game, not watch a movie --- https://i.imgtc.com/wAAUnKATTU.gif https://i.imgtc.com/ZwLqTeJJAh.gif https://i.imgtc.com/6n83lMG.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:882153315] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>I disagree I think games need to stop giving a shit about how they look and start worrying how they play. There is almost zero games in the last 3 years I have gave a shit about, and all of those were games like The Binding of Isaac and Hollow Knight. I want to play a game, not watch a movie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 07/01/17 2:09:17 PM #12:	FPS matters way more to a games playability than graphics --- http://i.imgur.com/iwo6yR9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uqXNtk6.jpg <cite>Doe posted [p:882153440] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>FPS matters way more to a games playability than graphics</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManSpread 07/01/17 2:26:43 PM #13:	Doe posted... FPS matters way more to a games playability than graphics This. See: fighting games, shmups, and fps. NERDLORE ALERT In Team Fortress Classic the HWGuy's minigun had the fastest ttk at 23 fps. Many high level players would nake a script for their mouse 1 that would cap their fps at 23 when firing the minigun. --- http://i.imgur.com/7PDx6Ff.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KIoH5Fa.png http://i.imgur.com/Dj68WVS.gifv http://i.imgur.com/hMt3DpQ.png <cite>ManSpread posted [p:882154194] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doe posted...</cite> <quote>FPS matters way more to a games playability than graphics</quote> This. See: fighting games, shmups, and fps. NERDLORE ALERT In Team Fortress Classic the HWGuy's minigun had the fastest ttk at 23 fps. Many high level players would nake a script for their mouse 1 that would cap their fps at 23 when firing the minigun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slip-N-Slide 07/01/17 2:58:42 PM #15:	EffectAndCause posted... D Movies aren't 60 FPS for a reason. 60 FPS isn't just about visuals, it affects the responsiveness of the inputs and stuff. There's a reason professionals FPS players will crank the settings down to low and overclock their monitors over 144hz to get as many fps as possible even though at that point you're getting into territory where the human eye legitimately can't even tell the difference. They do it because it gives you an ever so slight increase in responsiveness and such. For a lot of those people even going down to 60fps feels a bit sluggish, again not visually but just in terms of inputs. And in games like FPS's or anything fast paced, the responsiveness matters. Framerate isn't all visual. weapon_d00d816 posted... No. Once 30 fps became the standard it reset the bar for average graphics. The general audience wouldn't welcome a leap backwards in visual quality for a smoothness in framerate that many find inconsequential. Look at stuff like CoD, MW1 was at one point considered as a top tier game on a graphical and technical level. A lot of people bought a PS3/360 just for that game. And even still, say what you will about CoD but when look at Advanced Warfare from the beginning of this gen it's still a great looking game even by 2017 standards. Then look at stuff like MGS V which was native 1080p/60fps on both current gen consoles and it looks great. The there's stuff like Doom 2016, Wolfenstein: The New Order, Battlefield 4/Hardline/1, and Battlefront. Shit Battlefield 1 is one of the best looking games on current gen consoles period and even then it's only running at roughly the medium equivalent PC settings. If an engine and game is designed and optimized properly, 1080p and average 60 FPS is obtainable with graphics that still feel completely modern. ManSpread posted... Blame consoles Well considering I'm taking about consoles here, that's already what I'm doing... Webmaster4531 posted... The Switch isn't a platform? Uhh I'm not even sure what you're saying or asking here. Yeah a lot of Nintendo stuff is 60FPS but I'm not talking about platforms here, I'm taking about the 3rd party developers and the engines they use. Bad_Mojo posted... I disagree I think games need to stop giving a shit about how they look and start worrying how they play. There is almost zero games in the last 3 years I have gave a shit about, and all of those were games like The Binding of Isaac and Hollow Knight. I want to play a game, not watch a movie FPS does have to do with how they play, it's not purely a visual thing. There's a reason even the NES and shit ran all games at 60fps. it matters in pixel platformers like Mario. --- Get wet. http://i.imgtc.com/2q3z3TmhFO.jpg <cite>Slip-N-Slide posted [p:882155681] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><cite>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote> D Movies aren't 60 FPS for a reason.</quote> 60 FPS isn't just about visuals, it affects the responsiveness of the inputs and stuff. There's a reason professionals FPS players will crank the settings down to low and overclock their monitors over 144hz to get as many fps as possible even though at that point you're getting into territory where the human eye legitimately can't even tell the difference. They do it because it gives you an ever so slight increase in responsiveness and such. For a lot of those people even going down to 60fps feels a bit sluggish, again not visually but just in terms of inputs. And in games like FPS's or anything fast paced, the responsiveness matters. Framerate isn't all visual. <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted...</cite> <quote> No. Once 30 fps became the standard it reset the bar for average graphics. The general audience wouldn't welcome a leap backwards in visual quality for a smoothness in framerate that many find inconsequential.</quote> Look at stuff like CoD, MW1 was at one point considered as a top tier game on a graphical and technical level. A lot of people bought a PS3/360 just for that game. And even still, say what you will about CoD but when look at Advanced Warfare from the beginning of this gen it's still a great looking game even by 2017 standards. Then look at stuff like MGS V which was native 1080p/60fps on both current gen consoles and it looks great. The there's stuff like Doom 2016, Wolfenstein: The New Order, Battlefield 4/Hardline/1, and Battlefront. Shit Battlefield 1 is one of the best looking games on current gen consoles period and even then it's only running at roughly the medium equivalent PC settings. If an engine and game is designed and optimized properly, 1080p and average 60 FPS is obtainable with graphics that still feel completely modern. <cite>ManSpread posted...</cite> <quote> Blame consoles</quote> Well considering I'm taking about consoles here, that's already what I'm doing... <cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote> The Switch isn't a platform?</quote> Uhh I'm not even sure what you're saying or asking here. Yeah a lot of Nintendo stuff is 60FPS but I'm not talking about platforms here, I'm taking about the 3rd party developers and the engines they use. <cite>Bad_Mojo posted...</cite> <quote>I disagree I think games need to stop giving a shit about how they look and start worrying how they play. There is almost zero games in the last 3 years I have gave a shit about, and all of those were games like The Binding of Isaac and Hollow Knight. I want to play a game, not watch a movie</quote> FPS does have to do with how they play, it's not purely a visual thing. There's a reason even the NES and shit ran all games at 60fps. it matters in pixel platformers like Mario.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamer99z 07/01/17 3:00:03 PM #16:	DevsBro posted... The human eye can't see past 24fps Suppose this is true. Haven't you ever heard of the Nyqyist frequency? I have no idea what that is and afaik I've never even heard of it. But also I wasn't being serious with ^ and that's obviously not true. --- "You need to lay off the peanut-butthurt and u-jelly sandwiches" - Neon Octopus <cite>Gamer99z posted [p:882155748] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote><quote> The human eye can't see past 24fps</quote> Suppose this is true. Haven't you ever heard of the Nyqyist frequency?</quote> I have no idea what that is and afaik I've never even heard of it. But also I wasn't being serious with ^ and that's obviously not true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 07/01/17 3:02:06 PM #17:	Slip-N-Slide posted... Uhh I'm not even sure what you're saying or asking here. Webmaster4531 posted... The Switch isn't a platform? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:882155837] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Slip-N-Slide posted...</cite> <quote>Uhh I'm not even sure what you're saying or asking here.</quote> <cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>The Switch isn't a platform?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daftpunk_mk5 07/01/17 3:03:10 PM #18:	D 60fps is a peasant's refresh rate. 144hz master race --- Some say that his voice can only be heard by cats, and that he has two sets of knees... all we know is, he's called the Stig. <cite>daftpunk_mk5 posted [p:882155882] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>D 60fps is a peasant's refresh rate. 144hz master race</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CircleOfManias 07/01/17 3:09:05 PM #19:	EffectAndCause posted... D Movies aren't 60 FPS for a reason. There's a reason, but do you know what it is? Back in the early 20th century, film was expensive. So they experimented a bit to figure out the absolute minimum amount of film they could use while preserving the illusion of motion. They settled on 24Hz. So why does this reason, a direct result of the price of film in the early 1900s, affect game design? --- Sick liaisons raise this monumental mark The sun sets forever over Blackwater Park <cite>CircleOfManias posted [p:882156123] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><cite>EffectAndCause posted...</cite> <quote>D Movies aren't 60 FPS for a reason.</quote> There's a reason, but do you know what it is? Back in the early 20th century, film was expensive. So they experimented a bit to figure out the absolute minimum amount of film they could use while preserving the illusion of motion. They settled on 24Hz. So why does this reason, a direct result of the price of film in the early 1900s, affect game design?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EffectAndCause 07/01/17 3:11:24 PM #20:	Because now they can do it but they still don't because it looks silly. Example: The Hobbit --- http://i.imgur.com/wMshiEN.jpg <cite>EffectAndCause posted [p:882156240] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>Because now they can do it but they still don't because it looks silly. Example: The Hobbit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slip-N-Slide 07/01/17 3:12:55 PM #21:	Webmaster4531 posted... Slip-N-Slide posted... Uhh I'm not even sure what you're saying or asking here. Webmaster4531 posted... The Switch isn't a platform? Yeah, but what about the Switch? I never mentioned anything about platforms and I never mentioned anything about the Switch not being one. All I asked was if other people thing game engines should be designed with a target of 60fps minimum. daftpunk_mk5 posted... D 60fps is a peasant's refresh rate. 144hz master race I mean 144hz is great and all but only like 1% of games actually own a display that goes over 60hz, they don't even make TV's that are truly over 60hz in the same way monitors are and most people don't want to buy a monitor just to be able to play their games... But everyone with a TV or monitor has the ability to display 60fps and what I'm saying is that 60fps should be the baseline for what's acceptable, not 30 like it is now. Obviously they should be able to scale higher into the 100's for the enthusiasts but I think the target for game engines should be 60fps and that's what they should be designed around and optimized for. --- Get wet. http://i.imgtc.com/2q3z3TmhFO.jpg <cite>Slip-N-Slide posted [p:882156301] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Slip-N-Slide posted...</cite> <quote> Uhh I'm not even sure what you're saying or asking here.</quote> <cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote> The Switch isn't a platform?</quote></quote> Yeah, but what about the Switch? I never mentioned anything about platforms and I never mentioned anything about the Switch not being one. All I asked was if other people thing game engines should be designed with a target of 60fps minimum. <cite>daftpunk_mk5 posted...</cite> <quote>D 60fps is a peasant's refresh rate. 144hz master race</quote> I mean 144hz is great and all but only like 1% of games actually own a display that goes over 60hz, they don't even make TV's that are truly over 60hz in the same way monitors are and most people don't want to buy a monitor just to be able to play their games... But everyone with a TV or monitor has the ability to display 60fps and what I'm saying is that 60fps should be the baseline for what's acceptable, not 30 like it is now. Obviously they should be able to scale higher into the 100's for the enthusiasts but I think the target for game engines should be 60fps and that's what they should be designed around and optimized for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 07/01/17 3:13:20 PM #22:	Yes. FPS is much more important than resolution, and console makers should stop increasing resolution until they can maintain steady frame rates. 1080p at 60 FPS is a superior gaming experience to 4K at 30 FPS. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:882156318] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>Yes. FPS is much more important than resolution, and console makers should stop increasing resolution until they can maintain steady frame rates. 1080p at 60 FPS is a superior gaming experience to 4K at 30 FPS.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 07/01/17 3:14:47 PM #23:	Slip-N-Slide posted... I never mentioned anything about platforms Slip-N-Slide posted... on all platforms --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:882156376] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Slip-N-Slide posted...</cite> <quote> I never mentioned anything about platforms</quote> <cite>Slip-N-Slide posted...</cite> <quote>on all platforms</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kalavinka 07/01/17 3:17:10 PM #24:	Gamer99z posted... The human eye can't see past 24fps I can spot the difference between 30 and 60fps just fine... --- It is, as some admiral once said, a trap. 3DS: 2208 8847 9932 / PSN: UltimaSpark50 <cite>Kalavinka posted [p:882156456] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gamer99z posted...</cite> <quote>The human eye can't see past 24fps</quote> I can spot the difference between 30 and 60fps just fine...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamer99z 07/01/17 3:25:02 PM #25:	Kalavinka posted... Gamer99z posted... The human eye can't see past 24fps I can spot the difference between 30 and 60fps just fine... I wasn't being serious, I was just regurgitating the meme before someone else did. --- "You need to lay off the peanut-butthurt and u-jelly sandwiches" - Neon Octopus <cite>Gamer99z posted [p:882156754] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kalavinka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gamer99z posted...</cite> <quote> The human eye can't see past 24fps</quote> I can spot the difference between 30 and 60fps just fine...</quote> I wasn't being serious, I was just regurgitating the meme before someone else did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CircleOfManias 07/01/17 3:26:26 PM #26:	Bad_Mojo posted... I disagree I think games need to stop giving a shit about how they look and start worrying how they play. There is almost zero games in the last 3 years I have gave a shit about, and all of those were games like The Binding of Isaac and Hollow Knight. I want to play a game, not watch a movie Hollow Knight is absolutely beautiful, it's really not an example of not giving a shit about how a game looks. Also framerate does affect how the game plays. Targeting a higher framerate means sacrificing some visuals for the sake of smooth gameplay. It's the opposite of graphics whoring. --- Sick liaisons raise this monumental mark The sun sets forever over Blackwater Park <cite>CircleOfManias posted [p:882156834] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bad_Mojo posted...</cite> <quote>I disagree I think games need to stop giving a shit about how they look and start worrying how they play. There is almost zero games in the last 3 years I have gave a shit about, and all of those were games like The Binding of Isaac and Hollow Knight. I want to play a game, not watch a movie</quote> Hollow Knight is absolutely beautiful, it's really not an example of not giving a shit about how a game looks. Also framerate does affect how the game plays. Targeting a higher framerate means sacrificing some visuals for the sake of smooth gameplay. It's the opposite of graphics whoring.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slip-N-Slide 07/01/17 3:29:18 PM #27:	Webmaster4531 posted... Slip-N-Slide posted... I never mentioned anything about platforms Slip-N-Slide posted... on all platforms I mean I never mentioned anything about a specific platform, ie the Switch. I'm meaning all platforms as an umbrella, that game engines and developers, specifically third party since they account for the majority of games, need to set a uniformity standard of designing AAA games with 60fps as a baseline. I'm not singling out any one platform or any one developer, I'm saying the industry as a whole needs to push for 60fps baseline performance as the standard for AAA games. --- Get wet. http://i.imgtc.com/2q3z3TmhFO.jpg <cite>Slip-N-Slide posted [p:882156964] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Slip-N-Slide posted...</cite> <quote> I never mentioned anything about platforms</quote> <cite>Slip-N-Slide posted...</cite> <quote> on all platforms</quote></quote> I mean I never mentioned anything about a specific platform, ie the Switch. I'm meaning all platforms as an umbrella, that game engines and developers, specifically third party since they account for the majority of games, need to set a uniformity standard of designing AAA games with 60fps as a baseline. I'm not singling out any one platform or any one developer, I'm saying the industry as a whole needs to push for 60fps baseline performance as the standard for AAA games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 07/01/17 3:30:52 PM #28:	Not every game needs it and the types that do generally are released with that as an option --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:882157036] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote>Not every game needs it and the types that do generally are released with that as an option</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slip-N-Slide 07/01/17 8:37:38 PM #29:	ultimate reaver posted... Not every game needs it and the types that do generally are released with that as an option I'm not saying for every game either btw. Just that bug budget AAA games need to set it as the baseline for most games. Some games can feel free to modify the engine or do things differently to go for less but that the "standard" should be 60fps for most AAA games like FPS's, Action games, fighting games, racing games, etc. Similar to how it was back in the NES/SNES days where 60fps was the standard for games. --- Get wet. http://i.imgtc.com/2q3z3TmhFO.jpg <cite>Slip-N-Slide posted [p:882171905] in C/D all mo... [t:75520891]...</cite> <quote><cite>ultimate reaver posted...</cite> <quote>Not every game needs it and the types that do generally are released with that as an option</quote> I'm not saying for every game either btw. Just that bug budget AAA games need to set it as the baseline for most games. Some games can feel free to modify the engine or do things differently to go for less but that the "standard" should be 60fps for most AAA games like FPS's, Action games, fighting games, racing games, etc. Similar to how it was back in the NES/SNES days where 60fps was the standard for games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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