Current Events > found out that my state democratic party has iced me out for not falling in line

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I dont plan on running next year, but if I had, I learned that the national party would not have supported me because of my radical positions on the minimum wage and the ACA. This is after they asked me to run and I said no.

I live in Arkansas and work as a health care policy analyst for a state level nonprofit that hildawg herself founded
how are dems so bad at politics???
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Get off that sinking ship.
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Well, what are your views on the minimum wage and ACA?

southcoast09 posted...

Get off that sinking ship.

the democratic party? naw we gotta revitalize that ish

Glass_Phantom posted...

Well, what are your views on the minimum wage and ACA?

minimum wage is bad

ACA is pretty good
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Arkansas is pretty red. You can't really have "radical" left views there and expect to gain traction. If you campaigned in Arkansas as you would in California it would be a landslide defeat.
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what are your "radical" positions

Actually, that's a fair point. Best of luck moving forward.
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Balrog0 posted...

minimum wage is bad

ACA is pretty good

Being opposed to the minimum wage is very radical and anti-worker... That's more radical than what almost any Republican believes; it's very Ayn Randian. I can understand disagreeing with $15/hr or even $12/hr, but being against the minimum wage entirely is weird.

Being pro-ACA isn't radical... Every Democrat is trying to save it right now.

Nomadic View posted...

Arkansas is pretty red. You can't really have "radical" left views there and expect to gain traction. If you campaigned in Arkansas as you would in California it would be a landslide defeat.

I agree

treewojima posted...

what are your "radical" positions

well

basically I think we should remove state-level legilsation that regulates unions so workers can unionize more easily

in exchange we ought to stop exempting capital gains and dividends from state-level income taxes

ill finish when I get home and am not on mobile
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Godnorgosh posted...

It's not that they're bad at politics; it's that they would rather lose altogether than win on a socialist platform. The Democratic Party will never truly entertain such policies, and so, like the GOP, it must be either abandoned or destroyed.

Neither of those things are "socialist"

Socialism is for 13 year olds.
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Glass_Phantom posted...

Being opposed to the minimum wage is very radical and anti-worker

No company is going to hire a low-skilled worker for 15 bucks an hour, lol. All minimum wage accomplishes is incentivize companies to automate even more.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Glass_Phantom posted...

Being opposed to the minimum wage is very radical and anti-worker

No company is going to hire a low-skilled worker for 15 bucks an hour, lol. All minimum wage accomplishes is incentivize companies to automate even more.

I know right, somewhere along the way Americans started to believe they're entitled to making a liveable wage.
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RebelElite791 posted...

Socialism is for 13 year olds.

lmao
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Mal_Fet posted...

Glass_Phantom posted...

Being opposed to the minimum wage is very radical and anti-worker

No company is going to hire a low-skilled worker for 15 bucks an hour, lol. All minimum wage accomplishes is incentivize companies to automate even more.

So employers will keep doing what they've been doing? Okay.
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iPhone_7 posted...

I know right, somewhere along the way Americans started to believe they're entitled to making a liveable wage.

What's a "livable wage"?
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Paper_Okami posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Socialism is for 13 year olds.

lmao

I know they're pretty funny.
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RebelElite791 posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Socialism is for 13 year olds.

lmao

I know they're pretty funny.

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Glass_Phantom posted...

Balrog0 posted...

minimum wage is bad

ACA is pretty good

Being opposed to the minimum wage is very radical and anti-worker... That's more radical than what almost any Republican believes; it's very Ayn Randian. I can understand disagreeing with $15/hr or even $12/hr, but being against the minimum wage entirely is weird.

Being pro-ACA isn't radical... Every Democrat is trying to save it right now.

Trying to save it and calling it pretty good are two different things. It's God awful but they try to save it. I mean it's just gonna keep getting worse and worse. I don't know why they fight so hard to protect something like that.
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Godnorgosh posted...

they would rather lose altogether than win on a socialist platform.

They would lose much worse if they went full socialist. Like it would be a full on disaster for them to do that.
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What office did they want you to run for?
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Godnorgosh posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Socialism is for 13 year olds.

lmao

What bothers me most about Rebel is that he actually pretends to be on the right side of history when, in reality, he's chilling in his nice little Californian enclave, going on about how great it is to live in his bastion of progressivism while ignoring the people who can't even make rent there. It's apparent he doesn't actually give a shit about workers, yet he has no problem spending energy shaming those he considers neckbeards or whatever. He is a conspicuous wart even within his own neoliberal milieu.

neoliberalism reallys needs to fucking die out.
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Godnorgosh posted...

What bothers me most about Rebel is that he actually pretends to be on the right side of history when, in reality, he's chilling in his nice little Californian enclave, going on about how great it is to live in his bastion of progressivism while ignoring the people who can't even make rent there. It's apparent he doesn't actually give a shit about workers, yet he has no problem spending energy shaming those he considers neckbeards or whatever. He is a conspicuous wart even within his own neoliberal milieu.

Go ask the workers of Venezuela if they'd rather live under socialism or live in California.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

What bothers me most about Rebel is that he actually pretends to be on the right side of history when, in reality, he's chilling in his nice little Californian enclave, going on about how great it is to live in his bastion of progressivism while ignoring the people who can't even make rent there. It's apparent he doesn't actually give a shit about workers, yet he has no problem spending energy shaming those he considers neckbeards or whatever. He is a conspicuous wart even within his own neoliberal milieu.

Go ask the workers of Venezuela if they'd rather live under socialism or live in California.

Shouldn't you be saying they're the same thing? California is a very blue state.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Shouldn't you be saying they're the same thing? California is a very blue state.

And they're really lucky they have so many successful businesses there. If they didn't CA would look a lot like Illinois right now.
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Godnorgosh posted...

Your Venezuela card is an annoying and wrongheaded meme.

It really isn't. It shows the inherent flaws of socialism since they didn't get rich on capitalism first. Trying to prop up the European model of socialism is the meme here as getting rich on capitalism first only delays the inevitable.
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Godnorgosh posted...

I would, the problem is that Venezuela's economic activity is driven by capital accumulation, most of its enterprises are still privately owned, the wage-labor relationship still dominates there, and it still functions in the context of a global capitalist society. Your Venezuela card is an annoying and wrongheaded meme.

So basically "socialism isn't really socialism until the global economy is run on socialism"

Didn't Bernie Sanders praise Venezuela as a successful example of socialism back when he still called himself a socialist?
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I can see the logic in what they're thinking. "We're going to have these few policies we'll dedicate to and we need everyone on board with at least this"

Worked for the GOP well enough, but meh one has to wonder if they're being a tad overzealous
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Godnorgosh posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Didn't Bernie Sanders praise Venezuela as a successful example of socialism back when he still called himself a socialist?

I don't know, am I supposed to care what Bernie Sanders thinks? Dude's a sheep in wolf's clothing.

"Everyone's a Fake Socialist but Me"

by: an insecure teenager

go back to leftypol
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is Mal actually planning on having a conversation or is he just looking to argue/shout at random lefties
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Imagine if gamefaqs had a competent mod staff and rebel and marth didn't ruin the topic. Need those trolls to generate page views though
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Godnorgosh posted...

What bothers me most about Rebel is that he actually pretends to be on the right side of history when, in reality, he's chilling in his nice little Californian enclave, going on about how great it is to live in his bastion of progressivism while ignoring the people who can't even make rent there. It's apparent he doesn't actually give a shit about workers, yet he has no problem spending energy shaming those he considers neckbeards or whatever. He is a conspicuous wart even within his own neoliberal milieu.

I'm a social democrat who strongly believes in workers rights, living wages, affordable housing, welfare programs, and strong safety nets, actually. And I've talked about those issues on a frequent basis on this very board. So kindly fuck off and go read your Marx in the corner like a big boy.

You can support pro-worker and progressive movements without supporting the Soviet-fetishizing DSA and realizing that neither capitalism nor socialism are healthy on their own.
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RebelElite791 posted...

I'm a social democrat who strongly believes in workers rights, living wages, affordable housing, welfare programs, and strong safety nets, actually. And I've talked about those issues on a frequent basis on this very board. So kindly fuck off and go read your Marx in the corner like a big boy.

Who for some reason bashed Sanders while praising Clinton. Well, mostly Sanders supporters.

KarmaMuffin posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

I'm a social democrat who strongly believes in workers rights, living wages, affordable housing, welfare programs, and strong safety nets, actually. And I've talked about those issues on a frequent basis on this very board. So kindly fuck off and go read your Marx in the corner like a big boy.

Who for some reason bashed Sanders while praising Clinton. Well, mostly Sanders supporters.

Lol?

I was one of the most fervent Sanders supporters on this board during the primaries. Ask fucking CruelBuffalo, we used to always argue about it. I then supported Hillary during the general, as any sane person would do. I also don't recall bashing Sanders supporters so maybe you're thinking of someone else?
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Did the National Party say "Hey we're not supporting any candidates who don't support X,Y,Z" or did some local state person say "Check out this Balrog guy" and they said no way?
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Godnorgosh posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Socialism is for 13 year olds.

lmao

What bothers me most about Rebel is that he actually pretends to be on the right side of history when, in reality, he's chilling in his nice little Californian enclave, going on about how great it is to live in his bastion of progressivism while ignoring the people who can't even make rent there. It's apparent he doesn't actually give a shit about workers, yet he has no problem spending energy shaming those he considers neckbeards or whatever. He is a conspicuous wart even within his own neoliberal milieu.

I'm a neoliberal who lives in little rock, Arkansas, and not that anything else should matter here but I was homeless from the ages of 4 to 13 when I lived in California but then extended family helped us move here

My girlfriend is black, too. Crazy stuff down here.

I was pretty much the perfect democrat until that there minimum wage opinion smh.
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Anteaterking posted...

Did the National Party say "Hey we're not supporting any candidates who don't support X,Y,Z" or did some local state person say "Check out this Balrog guy" and they said no way?

The latter.

The national party sucks but southern democrats are really sucking too these days
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Man this topic for way more responses than I thought it would

Too much to respond to individually I think.

Honestly my opinion is that they should have asked me if I was Christian, or at least would pretend to be publicly, or not off the bat.

I'm not and wouldn't pretend I was, which is way worse here than any actual policy position I could take.

Basically democrats are nerds who don't get 'real America' or something
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Godnorgosh posted...

You've posted plenty of shit in recent months about how neckbeard Sanders supporters need to suck it up and toe the Clinton line, but comparatively very little about what the Democrats should do with regard to workers' rights

Waiting for some quotes from me on the subject.

And my issue was and is and has always been with "Bernie or Bust"ers because they're idiots.

And sorry, what other socialist party do you support?
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