Current Events > Why do sjws argue that "colour blindness" is a bad thing, and racist?

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GreatEvilEmpire really pushing the upper middle class bootstrap mentality.
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One can still essentially be 'colour blind' and still acknowledge that the person with a different skin colour may have been treated differently throughout their life because of it. The blind person can still treat them as they would anyone else. And that should be the ideal should it not?
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Anteaterking posted...

GreatEvilEmpire really pushing the upper middle class bootstrap mentality.

I like that he opened his first post by whining about whining...

I love when people do that...
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Anteaterking posted...

GreatEvilEmpire really pushing the upper middle class bootstrap mentality.

he's not wrong. I treat everyone I meet the same, it's worked for me.
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People have been arguing that color blindness is a bad thing since long before the modern SJW wave.
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Darmik posted...

And how are minorities supposed to be colorblind when others are racist and prejudiced towards them? Are they supposed to be naïve and take it personally?

That's exactly the point. The people who talk about color blind being a solution don't have to worry about it to begin with. Not everyone gets that luxury.

That's nonsense. I'm not the race people think I am and I still don't let race hold me back. I have faced discrimination and racism, but I don't let it hold me back. It's a mentality. You either have it or you don't and I can see that many people don't.

There are many minority groups like Asians and Nigerians that are thriving despite being minorities. It's the ones who keep using race as an excuse for everything that are constantly struggling.

If you see yourself as less than other people, then you will be less than other people. I was part of the working class for many years and I speak from experience. Take luxury in that you have 2 hands, 2 legs and a functional mind. If you have that, you can do almost anything other people can. If you don't believe that, your negativity and victimhood is holding you back.
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Darmik posted...

And how are minorities supposed to be colorblind when others are racist and prejudiced towards them? Are they supposed to be naïve and take it personally?

That's exactly the point. The people who talk about color blind being a solution don't have to worry about it to begin with. Not everyone gets that luxury.

I don't think you understand what colorblind means. If you see or experience racism, or come across policies that are systematically racist, you don't ignore it -- you acknowledge that it's wrong and address it directly.

Being "colorblind" means you treat people of all races equally and don't make presumptions based on race. And yes, "checking your privilege" or assuming something about someone's life experiences just because they're a minority is as racist in this context as it would be in any stereotyping context.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Darmik posted...

And how are minorities supposed to be colorblind when others are racist and prejudiced towards them? Are they supposed to be naïve and take it personally?

That's exactly the point. The people who talk about color blind being a solution don't have to worry about it to begin with. Not everyone gets that luxury.

That's nonsense. I'm not the race people think I am and I still don't let race hold me back. I have faced discrimination and racism, but I don't let it hold me back. It's a mentality. You either have it or you don't and I can see that many people don't.

There are many minority groups like Asians and Nigerians that are thriving despite being minorities. It's the ones who keep using race as an excuse for everything that are constantly struggling.

If you see yourself as less than other people, then you will be less than other people. I was part of the working class for many years and I speak from experience. Take luxury in that you have 2 hands, 2 legs and a functional mind. If you have that, you can do almost anything other people can. If you don't believe that, your negativity and victimhood is holding you back.

You're making some weird ass assumptions here about people who disregard the colorblind mentality. It's not about using it as an excuse. It's recognizing that not everyone treats other races the same as yourself. Being colorblind changes nothing for other people.

Considering your mentality about people holding themselves back because of their race I doubt you live by the 'colorblind' mentality anyway.

The Admiral posted...

Darmik posted...

And how are minorities supposed to be colorblind when others are racist and prejudiced towards them? Are they supposed to be naïve and take it personally?

That's exactly the point. The people who talk about color blind being a solution don't have to worry about it to begin with. Not everyone gets that luxury.

I don't think you understand what colorblind means. If you see or experience racism, or come across policies that are systematically racist, you don't ignore it -- you acknowledge that it's wrong and address it directly.

Being "colorblind" means you treat people of all races equally and don't make presumptions based on race. And yes, "checking your privilege" or assuming something about someone's life experiences just because they're a minority is as racist in this context as it would be in any stereotyping context.

I'm finding this pretty rich coming from someone who celebrates racial profiling.
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I'd say the bigger problem of not acknowledging different races is that you're a delusional idiot, not that you're racist
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Darmik posted...

I'm finding this pretty rich coming from someone who celebrates racial profiling.

You don't look less ignorant by following up one dumb comment based on your personal misunderstanding with another.
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Darmik posted...

You're making some weird ass assumptions here about people who disregard the colorblind mentality. It's not about using it as an excuse. It's recognizing that not everyone treats other races the same as yourself. Being colorblind changes nothing for other people.

Considering your mentality about people holding themselves back because of their race I doubt you live by the 'colorblind' mentality anyway.

I'm constantly reminded by Evergreen, Berkeley, socialists and just recently people on this thread that people are using race as an excuse for everything.

If you don't want me to treat you as the same as me, you got your wish. You changed my perception of you. And this is where our conversation ends.
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The Admiral posted...

Darmik posted...

I'm finding this pretty rich coming from someone who celebrates racial profiling.

You don't look less ignorant by following up one dumb comment based on your personal misunderstanding with another.

I swear you defend profiling here constantly. Like I seem to recall you defending an airline kicking off a middle eastern family with a lot of baggage.

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Darmik posted...

You're making some weird ass assumptions here about people who disregard the colorblind mentality. It's not about using it as an excuse. It's recognizing that not everyone treats other races the same as yourself. Being colorblind changes nothing for other people.

Considering your mentality about people holding themselves back because of their race I doubt you live by the 'colorblind' mentality anyway.

I'm constantly reminded by Evergreen, Berkeley, socialists and just recently people on this thread that people are using race as an excuse for everything.

If you don't want me to treat you as the same as me, you got your wish. You changed my perception of you. And this is where our conversation ends.

So basically you're colorblind until people complain about how they're treated due to their race in which case...?

What a weird ass threat to make.
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You can acknowledge the realities of racial discrimination and still strive to do as best as you can within the system (or even try to change the system) without using your disadvantage as an excuse.
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The Admiral posted...

Darmik posted...

I'm finding this pretty rich coming from someone who celebrates racial profiling.

You don't look less ignorant by following up one dumb comment based on your personal misunderstanding with another.

how is not a relevant point? you talk about treating races equally and not making presumptions yet support racial profiling
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Dragonblade01 posted...

You can acknowledge the realities of racial discrimination and still strive to do as best as you can within the system (or even try to change the system) without using your disadvantage as an excuse.

I never said otherwise. That's not supporting the colorblind argument though.
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Delirious_Beard posted...

The Admiral posted...

Darmik posted...

I'm finding this pretty rich coming from someone who celebrates racial profiling.

You don't look less ignorant by following up one dumb comment based on your personal misunderstanding with another.

how is not a relevant point? you talk about treating races equally and not making presumptions yet support racial profiling

I support using profiling as a counterterrism tactic. That has nothing to do anything else being discussed in this topic.
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Delirious_Beard posted...

The Admiral posted...

Darmik posted...

I'm finding this pretty rich coming from someone who celebrates racial profiling.

You don't look less ignorant by following up one dumb comment based on your personal misunderstanding with another.

how is not a relevant point? you talk about treating races equally and not making presumptions yet support racial profiling

Yeah, but brown people commit the most terrorism, so we need to be wary of them for our own safety. Duh.
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The Admiral posted...

I support using profiling as a counterterrism tactic. That has nothing to do anything else being discussed in this topic.

It does though. Because your life would never be impacted by any 'counter-terrorism' tactic related to racial profiling. Not sure how you could both be color blind and racially profile others anyway.
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Darmik posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

You can acknowledge the realities of racial discrimination and still strive to do as best as you can within the system (or even try to change the system) without using your disadvantage as an excuse.

I never said otherwise. That's not supporting the colorblind argument though.

I don't support the colorblind argument.
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and you don't think the act of enforcing profiling has an effect on people, both those as victims as well as those enforcing it?

this is precisely why suspected blacks are more likely to be killed by officers, not necessarily out of any outright or conscious racism, but a subconscious kind that is fostered through acts like profiling that correlate blackness with criminal intent that should be guarded against to a higher degree than other races

a kind that is present in most people. unfortunately for police they are the profession with the means to exhibit that bias in the most drastic manner possible
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SGT_Conti posted...

No :<
Colour
Neighbour
Armour
Honour

Why you add extra letters you weirdo?
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Being "color blind" implies you care about a person at an individual level rather than whatever racial group they happen to be a part of. This is precisely why the concept is so heavily resisted by the left.

Racism, it must be said, is not something Neo-Marxists want to get rid of. Since Marxism is based on the concept of group warfare supplanting Capitalism with Socialism, Neo-Marxists cannot endorse an individualist worldview (don't take my word for it, just read Marx and his contemporaries). Marxists need the racial divide to fill the hole that the class divide left, so they insist that it is racist to treat others like individual people rather than an avatar of their skin color, even though it makes no sense. Obviously treating someone like you would anyone else irrespective of their skin color is the society we should strive for if we wish to do away with racism. But since such a worldview would close yet another avenue to the glorious Socialist revolution, Neo-Marxists will fight tooth-and-nail to hang onto it.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I have faced discrimination and racism, but I don't let it hold me back.

Then you haven't actually faced discrimination and racism.

It isn't a mentality. It's a fact. You can succeed despite the discrimination and racism, but you can't just dodge it by pretending it doesn't happen.
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Darmik posted...

The Admiral posted...

I support using profiling as a counterterrism tactic. That has nothing to do anything else being discussed in this topic.

It does though. Because your life would never be impacted by any 'counter-terrorism' tactic related to racial profiling. Not sure how you could both be color blind and racially profile others anyway.

I'm not a counter-terrorism agent, so there's no reason for me to personally be profiling.

Once again, you don't understand what you're discussing. You just think crying racism is crutch to avoid an argument you're not equipped to make.
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The Admiral posted...

Darmik posted...

The Admiral posted...

I support using profiling as a counterterrism tactic. That has nothing to do anything else being discussed in this topic.

It does though. Because your life would never be impacted by any 'counter-terrorism' tactic related to racial profiling. Not sure how you could both be color blind and racially profile others anyway.

I'm not a counter-terrorism agent, so there's no reason for me to personally be profiling.

Once again, you don't understand what you're discussing. You just think crying racism is crutch to avoid an argument you're not equipped to make.

Is there any evidence that profiling actually curbs terrorist activity?

Color-blindness is typically used in reference to education and jobs, and it's bad due to the inherent advantage that particular races have over others due to past disparities. If you don't fix them, they're not going away.
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The Admiral posted...

Darmik posted...

The Admiral posted...

I support using profiling as a counterterrism tactic. That has nothing to do anything else being discussed in this topic.

It does though. Because your life would never be impacted by any 'counter-terrorism' tactic related to racial profiling. Not sure how you could both be color blind and racially profile others anyway.

I'm not a counter-terrorism agent, so there's no reason for me to personally be profiling.

Once again, you don't understand what you're discussing. You just think crying racism is crutch to avoid an argument you're not equipped to make.

If law enforcement are racially profiling why wouldn't civilians?

That plane story for example. It wasn't a counter-terrorist who made that decision. It was a flight attendant. So was it wrong after all?

Where am I crying racist? I'm just calling out your hypocrisy here. As said earlier it's easy for people who are never negatively impacted by their race to call for color blindness to be the standard. It's a viewpoint raised in ignorance and naivety. It goes a step further in hypocrisy when you think racial profiling should be a thing anyway. Which again of course is easy for someone like you to say. It won't impact your life at all.
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Garioshi posted...

Color-blindness is typically used in reference to education and jobs, and it's bad due to the inherent advantage that particular races have over others due to past disparities. If you don't fix them, they're not going away.

What disparities? Most people go to a public school. I went to a shitty public high school. It's not the teacher's problem when certain kids cut class, don't study or drop out. That's the only advantage most people have...they study, they work hard, compared to those who don't. Of course you're going to be at a disadvantage when you think education is a joke.

And don't tell me most people work hard. They don't. They waste their day play video games all day or hang around the neighborhood. They go through the motions and lie to themselves and then they blame society when things don't go their way.

No amount of fixing will get certain kids to stay in school and study hard. The only real fix is when certain communities decide that education is more important than street cred.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

What disparities? Most people go to a public school.

And due to the way public schools are funded, great disparities exist from one district to another
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

The only real fix is when certain communities decide that education is more important than street cred.

The only real fix is to improve the quality of public education in impoverished communities.

Antifar posted...

And due to the way public schools are funded, great disparities exist from one district to another

ThanksUglyGod posted...

The only real fix is to improve the quality of public education in impoverished communities.

It's so easy to blame everyone else except yourself. More often than not, the one who succeeds compared to the one who doesn't is only a difference in mindset.

http://archive.wilsonquarterly.com/essays/explaining-black-education-gap

Until personal responsibility is taken, nothing can be achieved. Do you know what I see on this thread? A circle jerk of people make excuses for each other. If you're really honest with yourself, ask yourself this...where has your current mindset gotten you? Have you accomplished great things or are you still struggling?
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No one is saying people shouldn't take personal responsibility and do their best to succeed.

What they are saying is that the problems that do exist need to be addressed.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

No one is saying people shouldn't take personal responsibility and do their best to succeed.

What they are saying is that the problems that do exist need to be addressed.

Then address it. Don't expect society to fix your problems for you. You need to start fixing your own problems.

Lazy millennials expected Sanders to fix the problem for them. People on welfare expect the government to fix the problem for them. Everyone is expecting someone else to fix their problems for them. How's that for personal responsibility?
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For some people, not seeing or treating people of different races differently just isn't enough. If you aren't actively combating racism you might as well just be racist yourself.
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shnangyboos posted...

For some people, not seeing or treating people of different races differently just isn't enough. If you aren't actively combating racism you might as well just be racist yourself.

Sounds like it based on some posters itt
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Rika_Furude posted...

or rather, that no specific race deserves special treatment.

Well there ya go.

That kinda runs counter to their beliefs.
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I think it comes down to semantics. Some people say they're "colorblind", not as in they turn a blind eye to racism and pretend it's not there, but rather how they themselves treat others.
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WaterLink posted...

I think it comes down to semantics. Some people say they're "colorblind", not as in they turn a blind eye to racism and pretend it's not there, but rather how they themselves treat others.

This. Being color blind means that anyone gets the same opportunities as anyone else and race is never part of the equation. Anything less is discrimination.

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Then address it. Don't expect society to fix your problems for you. You need to start fixing your own problems.

How is one supposed to fix others being prejudiced towards them?
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Darmik posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Then address it. Don't expect society to fix your problems for you. You need to start fixing your own problems.

How is one supposed to fix others being prejudiced towards them?

You don't fix others. You fix yourself.

The world is not going to change for you. There will always be prejudice. There will always be pride and prejudice. You have to change yourself for the world.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

The world is not going to change for you. There will always be prejudice. There will always be pride and prejudice. You have to change yourself for the world.

And that means being colorblind to it isn't a realistic solution.
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Annihilated posted...

WaterLink posted...

I think it comes down to semantics. Some people say they're "colorblind", not as in they turn a blind eye to racism and pretend it's not there, but rather how they themselves treat others.

This. Being color blind means that anyone gets the same opportunities as anyone else and race is never part of the equation. Anything less is discrimination.

This only works if people start out on the same level, though.

Also, the problem with colorblind is no one on either side is asking to give up their heritage. All people are saying is that everyone should be mature and intelligent enough to recognize differences in races and cultures without instantly grouping them into hierarchies or making rash decisions based off broad stereotypes.

I also like how apparently only minorities face prejudice and discrimination

anyone can for one reason or another.
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MakoReizei posted...

I also like how apparently only minorities face prejudice and discrimination

anyone can for one reason or another.

I love how whenever a minority brings up discrimination they've faced there's always someone shouting "hey I have it hard too!" like its some kind of mutually exclusive thing
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MakoReizei posted...

I also like how apparently only minorities face prejudice and discrimination

anyone can for one reason or another.

Nobody said that.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

No one is saying people shouldn't take personal responsibility and do their best to succeed.

What they are saying is that the problems that do exist need to be addressed.

Then address it. Don't expect society to fix your problems for you. You need to start fixing your own problems.

Lazy millennials expected Sanders to fix the problem for them. People on welfare expect the government to fix the problem for them. Everyone is expecting someone else to fix their problems for them. How's that for personal responsibility?

Voting in people you believe will create policies that help solve the problem is part of addressing it. Hell, even talking about it is bringing awareness to the issue. Why are you acting like it's every individual's fault for not being able to fix society? That's ridiculous.
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In the 80s people promoted racial equality by singing catchy songs.

In the 2010s people promote racial equality by demonizing everyone else.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

There will always be pride and prejudice.

The fuck? Where did you get that literary reference from?
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Dash_Harber posted...

This only works if people start out on the same level, though.

Nobody starts out on the same level. That's the point of life.