Current Events > Why do sjws argue that "colour blindness" is a bad thing, and racist?

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Its the literal belief that all races are equal, or rather, that no specific race deserves special treatment.

Whats so bad about that, CE? I know theres some people here who would argue that colour blindness is racist.
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Color blindness is much more common among men :^)
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They argue that everything is bad and racist. Why should this be any different?
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"Color blindness" tends to mean people don't acknowledge the inherent advantages and disadvantages races are likely to hold. It's kind of "All races are equal", but more in a plug-your-ears-and-shout-"LALALA NOPE ALL RACES ARE EQUAL" instead of saying "They should be equal, but reality is they're not: this is how we go about balancing this shit out"
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Because for whatever reason they redefined the term to mean "selectively ignoring reality in order to justify abusing certain racial groups".
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Rika_Furude posted...

Whats so bad about that, CE?

My understanding is it doesn't take into account past and "current" hurdles and thus "pretends" that we're on an equal playing field, and causes undo . . . I don't fucking know. Something about checking your privilege.

The real answer is, they always want a reason to bitch and shit on the man, so it will never be good enough.

Equal rights? "Not good enough, fix the past!"
Can't fix the past? "Special treatment until things are how they should have been had the past not been that way."
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

"Color blindness" tends to mean people don't acknowledge the inherent advantages and disadvantages races are likely to hold. It's kind of "All races are equal", but more in a plug-your-ears-and-shout-"LALALA NOPE ALL RACES ARE EQUAL" instead of saying "They should be equal, but reality is they're not: this is how we go about balancing this shit out"

Yeah, but I don't personally have the power to change anything. I can't, for example, make the police force less likely to racially profile people.

To me it just make sense to treat everyone the same whether they are a man, woman, whatever race they are, where they come from, etc. Just give everyone the same level of respect and basically decency.
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scar the 1 posted...

Color blindness is much more common among men :^)

Yep, so sexist!

Blue_Dream87 posted...

"Color blindness" tends to mean people don't acknowledge the inherent advantages and disadvantages races are likely to hold. It's kind of "All races are equal", but more in a plug-your-ears-and-shout-"LALALA NOPE ALL RACES ARE EQUAL" instead of saying "They should be equal, but reality is they're not: this is how we go about balancing this shit out"

Basically
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Ultima Dragon posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

"Color blindness" tends to mean people don't acknowledge the inherent advantages and disadvantages races are likely to hold. It's kind of "All races are equal", but more in a plug-your-ears-and-shout-"LALALA NOPE ALL RACES ARE EQUAL" instead of saying "They should be equal, but reality is they're not: this is how we go about balancing this shit out"

Yeah, but I don't personally have the power to change anything. I can't, for example, make the police force less likely to racially profile people.

To me it just make sense to treat everyone the same whether they are a man, woman, whatever race they are, where they come from, etc. Just give everyone the same level of respect and basically decency.

Well we do all have a voice when it comes to voting as well as our wallets. I don't think these types expect everyone to go force change in police forces by throwing molotovs or start a revolution. Well, the extremists do, but they're simple enough to ignore.

I'm okay with the idea of realizing your privilege, and the privileges others may or may not hold. Not like "You're less privileged, here's some money for your Patreon". Guess it's geared toward social day-to-day conversations so you don't unknowingly insult someone or talk down to them.
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Ultima Dragon posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

"Color blindness" tends to mean people don't acknowledge the inherent advantages and disadvantages races are likely to hold. It's kind of "All races are equal", but more in a plug-your-ears-and-shout-"LALALA NOPE ALL RACES ARE EQUAL" instead of saying "They should be equal, but reality is they're not: this is how we go about balancing this shit out"

Yeah, but I don't personally have the power to change anything. I can't, for example, make the police force less likely to racially profile people.

To me it just make sense to treat everyone the same whether they are a man, woman, whatever race they are, where they come from, etc. Just give everyone the same level of respect and basically decency.

by this logic, no one should change anything. no individual can change it, so no one should do anything differently, and then things will stay the same. a colorblind perspective (i.e. one that ignores systemic issues and chooses to allow it to go on) will allow the status quo to continue. If you think the status quo is fine, then colorblind will keep things the way they are. If you think there are issues, you being colorblind won't do a thing to make them better.

so then the question is, do you think things should remain as they are?

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Well we do all have a voice when it comes to voting as well as our wallets. I don't think these types expect everyone to go force change in police forces by throwing molotovs or start a revolution. Well, the extremists do, but they're simple enough to ignore.

Unfortunately, minorities by definition have less voting power than the majority race, so the only way to effect positive change is to get part or all of the majority in agreement that an issue exists. "Colourblindness" is wilfully ignoring there are any issues at all under the pretense of already having a society that is equal in every single respect for all people.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

"Color blindness" tends to mean people don't acknowledge the inherent advantages and disadvantages races are likely to hold. It's kind of "All races are equal", but more in a plug-your-ears-and-shout-"LALALA NOPE ALL RACES ARE EQUAL" instead of saying "They should be equal, but reality is they're not: this is how we go about balancing this shit out"

this
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I still don't understand what I'm supposed to do then, lol. I feel like a lot of what you guys are talking about isn't applicable in day to day life. There's a lot of things wrong with the way things are, naturally. But it takes a long time for those changes to happen and for things to get better.

I'm thinking more along the lines of like, striking up a conversation with someone of another race or culture and not talking to them any differently than I do my own. Just asking them general things like what kind of music they like to listen to, what hobbies do they like, what are their goals/dreams, etc. Not being like "What type of Asian are you?" Or "Is it true that in your country they *insert stereotype here*"

I think there's enough that we all have in common that race/etc doesn't need to be brought up, but I dunno.
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SGT_Conti posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Well we do all have a voice when it comes to voting as well as our wallets. I don't think these types expect everyone to go force change in police forces by throwing molotovs or start a revolution. Well, the extremists do, but they're simple enough to ignore.

Unfortunately, minorities by definition have less voting power than the majority race, so the only way to effect positive change is to get part or all of the majority in agreement that an issue exists. "Colourblindness" is wilfully ignoring there are any issues at all under the pretense of already having a society that is equal in every single respect for all people.

True, and that's why I'm all for activism. Need to get that message out there. Only problem is some vocal minority of these activists ruin it for the cause by being whiny babies, then people abuse those minor incidents to paint all activists as whiny babies. That's where people go "color-blind" and try to block it all out.

Best we can do is promote healthy activism that leads to results and educate the public with the objective facts, and denounce those that poison the well.
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Colorblindness is an ideal that people subscribe to, not a state of ignoring racial problems. Christ.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Colorblindness is an ideal that people subscribe to, not a state of ignoring racial problems. Christ.

I agree, it's an ideal, but not a perspective of the current world that is realistic, or a good solution to racial problems.

Ultima Dragon posted...

I still don't understand what I'm supposed to do then, lol. I feel like a lot of what you guys are talking about isn't applicable in day to day life. There's a lot of things wrong with the way things are, naturally. But it takes a long time for those changes to happen and for things to get better.

I'm thinking more along the lines of like, striking up a conversation with someone of another race or culture and not talking to them any differently than I do my own. Just asking them general things like what kind of music they like to listen to, what hobbies do they like, what are their goals/dreams, etc. Not being like "What type of Asian are you?" Or "Is it true that in your country they *insert stereotype here*"

I think there's enough that we all have in common that race/etc doesn't need to be brought up, but I dunno.

Research propositions that you can vote for during elections, sign petitions, don't spend money at businesses that promote inequality within their practices/policies. If you want to take it a step further, spread messages on social media, but that isn't as expected. Same with donating time or money. Other than that, you're doing well enough. Guess all else you can do is present facts and data if someone brings up misguided views, try to change minds if you come across those.

It's definitely a long-term thing unless you want to dedicate yourself. Personally, I don't think we're all obliged towards activism, since we don't have that free time/money.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

SGT_Conti posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Well we do all have a voice when it comes to voting as well as our wallets. I don't think these types expect everyone to go force change in police forces by throwing molotovs or start a revolution. Well, the extremists do, but they're simple enough to ignore.

Unfortunately, minorities by definition have less voting power than the majority race, so the only way to effect positive change is to get part or all of the majority in agreement that an issue exists. "Colourblindness" is wilfully ignoring there are any issues at all under the pretense of already having a society that is equal in every single respect for all people.

True, and that's why I'm all for activism. Need to get that message out there. Only problem is some vocal minority of these activists ruin it for the cause by being whiny babies, then people abuse those minor incidents to paint all activists as whiny babies. That's where people go "color-blind" and try to block it all out.

Best we can do is promote healthy activism that leads to results and educate the public with the objective facts, and denounce those that poison the well.

Agreed. Again, one of the inherent disadvantages in being a minority is there's less widespread exposure to many different personalities within that group, so the ones that are obnoxious and in-your-face or cause actual property damage or injury are the ones that people remember and subconsciously recall as being representatives of the minority.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Colorblindness is an ideal that people subscribe to, not a state of ignoring racial problems. Christ.

Colourblindness in practice is people saying "I'm not seeing any issues so why are you minorities seeing problems? You're the ones creating problems where there are none." Yes, an ideal society is colourblind, where someone with an ethnic name wouldn't have their resume turned down by anyone at all because they're assumed to not be fluent in English, but the truth is that at this point in time, human nature prevents it.
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Acting like racial injustice itself is dead is a symptom of privilege. There's nothing wrong with treating everyone the same but the goal is to understand that not everyone is.
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Because their entire mission in life is promoting the Oppression Olympics, and "radical" notions like "people are equal despite their race" and "no one should feel like they're a victim all the time" are offensive to that worldview.

This the single biggest area where this generation has regressed from the previous ones.
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How come no one is addressing the elephant in the room? What really matters.

spelling it colour, I may be colorblind, but god damn I see nationality you crumpet eating, tea sipping, redcoat.
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No :<
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Defence
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They're ignorant and want to keep the oppression Olympics going. Hate groups like BLM thrive on this and fear.

Color blindness is a great way to start making progress. Constantly bringing up _____ privilege, victimhood and complaining comes off as weak. It sounds like whining. And you know who whine? whiners who never get anywhere in life. When people stop believing that their skin color holds them back, they just may become a president like Barack Obama.

Nearly everyone is disadvantageous in some way to others. Some are taller. Some have larger penises. Some are better looking. Some are more intelligent. Some have bigger boobs. But crying about every little disadvantage isn't going to change your skin color, make your dick bigger or instantly make you better looking. You have to take advantage of what you have a make the most of it.

We're all individuals, not groups. When you start focusing on improving yourself, everything will start to fall into place.
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Reading between the lines of the official answer to this gives a different view: laziness. We've gone from a world of very firm and socially accepted limitations of what you were allowed to do based on race and sex, into one where anyone can be anything.....if they work for it. Many people don't and now need a new excuse for a lack of success, thus the world now becomes unfair because they might have to work harder than someone else due to racial factors, and want the bar lowered for them.

Before I get chewed out, I'm disabled. I probably have to work hard than most people just to function in society, and having been there myself, I can say self pity and waiting for the world to be "fair" gets you nowhere. Working hard and overcoming shortcomings may not offer a guarantee, but it gives better odds. Hell, it can open up doors in a world where everyone complains about everything that isn't to their liking, because you are the person that will do your best despite that rather than make your problem everyone else's.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Color blindness is a great way to start making progress. Constantly bringing up _____ privilege, victimhood and complaining comes off as weak. It sounds like whining. And you know who whine? whiners who never get anywhere in life. When people stop believing that their skin color holds them back, they just may become a president like Barack Obama.

Nearly everyone is disadvantageous in some way to others. Some are taller. Some have larger penises. Some are better looking. Some are more intelligent. Some have bigger boobs. But crying about every little disadvantage isn't going to change your skin color, make your dick bigger or instantly make you better looking. You have to take advantage of what you have a make the most of it.

We're all individuals, not groups. When you start focusing on improving yourself, everything will start to fall into place.

haha, no
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SJWs are just miserable piles and want everyone else to be just as unhappy.
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averagejoel posted...

haha, no

Expect to remain average for the rest of your life.
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isnt a interculturalism vs multiculturalism thing ?

not sure but it does seem "colour blindness " is multiculturalism
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i do fucking love when people use that "i don't see color" line from the colbert report unironically
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True equality comes from treating everyone as equals despite their differences. It does not come from pretending those differences don't exist.
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It's because;
a) If the system is already racist, pretending everyone is the same race is not going to stop that.
b) Ignoring everyone's individual backgrounds and heritage comes off as mildly racist.
I don't understand why it is so hard for someone to recognize that a culture can be different without inherently creating a hierarchy.

It's good as an individual to be "color blind" with regards to race; but also to understand that society is currently not.
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Because like it or not, people's ethic and racial backgrounds are part of the reason have a part on who that person is or why that person behaves like he or she does. When someone is "colorblind", they are being purposefully ignorant of why a person might be the way they are.

That doesn't mean that one shouldn't be "colorblind" in the sense that they believe that treat all people with the respect and dignity that we should inherently give all human beings, regardless of their race, but you can still recognize how someone's racial and ethnic background might influence their behavior.
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Gheb posted...

Because like it or not, people's ethic and racial backgrounds are part of the reason have a part on who that person is or why that person behaves like he or she does. When someone is "colorblind", they are being purposefully ignorant of why a person might be the way they are.

That doesn't mean that one shouldn't be "colorblind" in the sense that they believe that treat all people with the respect and dignity that we should inherently give all human beings, regardless of their race, but you can still recognize how someone's racial and ethnic background might influence their behavior.

Of course there will always be differences, especially cultural differences. There shouldn't however be many variations in value differences. Everyone should believe in hard work, dedication and respect for your fellow human being. But I can never respect anyone who makes a mockery of human decency.

While there are cultural difference, people are willing to overlook that and see your character and values. Stealing, killing and abandoning your children isn't a 'cultural difference', it's an excuse to be a pathetic human being. Neither is oppressing women, marrying young brides and preventing your teen daughter from dating because you're afraid she won't be 'pure' for her arranged husband.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

"Color blindness" tends to mean people don't acknowledge the inherent advantages and disadvantages races are likely to hold. It's kind of "All races are equal", but more in a plug-your-ears-and-shout-"LALALA NOPE ALL RACES ARE EQUAL" instead of saying "They should be equal, but reality is they're not: this is how we go about balancing this shit out"

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Delirious_Beard posted...

i do fucking love when people use that "i don't see color" line from the colbert report unironically

"I don't see color. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because Injust spent fifteen minutes in television explaining how I'm not racist and that's the whitest thing you can do!"
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Color blindness is a great way to start making progress. Constantly bringing up _____ privilege, victimhood and complaining comes off as weak. It sounds like whining. And you know who whine? whiners who never get anywhere in life. When people stop believing that their skin color holds them back, they just may become a president like Barack Obama.

Nearly everyone is disadvantageous in some way to others. Some are taller. Some have larger penises. Some are better looking. Some are more intelligent. Some have bigger boobs. But crying about every little disadvantage isn't going to change your skin color, make your dick bigger or instantly make you better looking. You have to take advantage of what you have a make the most of it.

We're all individuals, not groups. When you start focusing on improving yourself, everything will start to fall into place.

Except color blindness means we don't recognize any inherent advantages or disadvantages others might have. Nobody is talking about 'crying' about it. It's about recognizing it. Color blindness doesn't and the people who are 'color blind' generally aren't at a disadvantage due to their race. So of course it's something they can ignore.
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Darmik posted...

Except color blindness means we don't recognize any inherent advantages or disadvantages others might have. Nobody is talking about 'crying' about it. It's about recognizing it. Color blindness doesn't and the people who are 'color blind' generally aren't at a disadvantage due to their race. So of course it's something they can ignore.

Ok, it's recognized. What else do you want? Do you want me to treat you as an equal or should I treat you like you have a disadvantage?
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Darmik posted...

Except color blindness means we don't recognize any inherent advantages or disadvantages others might have. Nobody is talking about 'crying' about it. It's about recognizing it. Color blindness doesn't and the people who are 'color blind' generally aren't at a disadvantage due to their race. So of course it's something they can ignore.

Ok, it's recognized. What else do you want? Do you want me to treat you as an equal or should I treat you like you have a disadvantage?

Recognizing others have different life circumstances than yourself doesn't mean you don't treat them like an equal.

Being willfully ignorant is ignoring any potential problems others might be experiencing. Which again is even worse if these issues don't impact yourself.
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The Admiral posted...

Because their entire mission in life is promoting the Oppression Olympics, and "radical" notions like "people are equal despite their race" and "no one should feel like they're a victim all the time" are offensive to that worldview.

This the single biggest area where this generation has regressed from the previous ones.

this
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Darmik posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Darmik posted...

Except color blindness means we don't recognize any inherent advantages or disadvantages others might have. Nobody is talking about 'crying' about it. It's about recognizing it. Color blindness doesn't and the people who are 'color blind' generally aren't at a disadvantage due to their race. So of course it's something they can ignore.

Ok, it's recognized. What else do you want? Do you want me to treat you as an equal or should I treat you like you have a disadvantage?

Recognizing others have different life circumstances than yourself doesn't mean you don't treat them like an equal.

Being willfully ignorant is ignoring any potential problems others might be experiencing. Which again is even worse if these issues don't impact yourself.

Most people face problems in life, regardless of race. Get over it.

You don't know my race and I don't know your race, but you're certainly acting like you're a victim of some sort. I'm trying not to patronize anyone, but you make it very hard...very very hard.
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Never heard a minority say that color blind shit.
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yanksfan4247 posted...

Never heard a minority say that color blind shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGfrExozQ
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Most people face problems in life, regardless of race. Get over it.

You don't know my race and I don't know your race, but you're certainly acting like you're a victim of some sort. I'm trying not to patronize anyone, but you make it very hard...very very hard.

Err what? How am I acting like a victim? I'm just saying why color blindness isn't gonna solve anything.

And yes most people face problems in life. How many are solved by ignoring them?
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

yanksfan4247 posted...

Never heard a minority say that color blind shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGfrExozQ

He didn't say it tho.
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Darmik posted...

Err what? How am I acting like a victim? I'm just saying why color blindness isn't gonna solve anything.

And yes most people face problems in life. How many are solved by ignoring them?

You solve what you can control, which means you have to solve your own problems. Other people are not going to solve it for you. If you're a virgin, are you and other virgins going to lose it as a group? No, only you can fix your own problem.

I expect everyone who has the physical and mental capacity of a normal human being to solve their own problems.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Darmik posted...

Err what? How am I acting like a victim? I'm just saying why color blindness isn't gonna solve anything.

And yes most people face problems in life. How many are solved by ignoring them?

You solve what you can control, which means you have to solve your own problems. Other people are not going to solve it for you. If you're a virgin, are you and other virgins going to lose it as a group? No, only you can fix your own problem.

I expect everyone who has the physical and mental capacity of a normal human being to solve their own problems.

And how are minorities supposed to be colorblind when others are racist and prejudiced towards them? Are they supposed to be naïve and take it personally?

That's exactly the point. The people who talk about color blind being a solution don't have to worry about it to begin with. Not everyone gets that luxury.
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