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ChainedRedone 06/21/17 1:27:11 PM #1:	Not victim blaming here but that guy would still be alive if he wasn't stupid enough to tell a cop he's armed. Seriously, there is no good fucking reason to tell the police you have a gun. I don't know why people still encourage others to tell cops that during every routine police encounter. So fucking stupid. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881542485] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote>Not victim blaming here but that guy would still be alive if he wasn't stupid enough to tell a cop he's armed. Seriously, there is no good fucking reason to tell the police you have a gun. I don't know why people still encourage others to tell cops that during every routine police encounter. So fucking stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xelltrix 06/21/17 1:29:28 PM #2:	How often does that happen? And why would there be a problem if it's legally allowed? In fact, probably should tell them and tell them where it's located so they can't claim you were reaching for it when you go somewhere else. Though that probably won't help. --- Reading this post may induce one or more of the following: Nausea / Butt-Hurt / Lulz / UM? Syndrome / Angst / Diarrhea <cite>Xelltrix posted [p:881542618] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote>How often does that happen? And why would there be a problem if it's legally allowed? In fact, probably should tell them and tell them where it's located so they can't claim you were reaching for it when you go somewhere else. Though that probably won't help.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 1:30:39 PM #4:	Xelltrix posted... How often does that happen? And why would there be a problem if it's legally allowed? In fact, probably should tell them and tell them where it's located so they can't claim you were reaching for it when you go somewhere else. Though that probably won't help. It's a problem because you just told the police you have a weapon that could kill them in an instant. That will make most police nervous, no matter how legal it is for you to carry one. I mean you're asking how it could become a problem in a topic about a man getting shot for doing exactly that. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881542684] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Xelltrix posted...</cite> <quote>How often does that happen? And why would there be a problem if it's legally allowed? In fact, probably should tell them and tell them where it's located so they can't claim you were reaching for it when you go somewhere else. Though that probably won't help.</quote> It's a problem because you just told the police you have a weapon that could kill them in an instant. That will make most police nervous, no matter how legal it is for you to carry one. I mean you're asking how it could become a problem in a topic about a man getting shot for doing exactly that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaname_Madoka 06/21/17 1:35:00 PM #5:	ChainedRedone posted... That will make most police nervous jfc these people are trained, why do they get to be the nervous ones? <cite>Kaname_Madoka posted [p:881542910] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>That will make most police nervous</quote> jfc these people are trained, why do they get to be the nervous ones?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
St0rmFury 06/21/17 1:35:29 PM #6:	I think you are required by law to let the officer know if you are carrying when being questioned. --- "Average Joe" is a trolling term since it's completely an opinion. "Overachieving" is also an opinion. - SBAllen (Hellhole: 52458377) <cite>St0rmFury posted [p:881542936] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote>I think you are required by law to let the officer know if you are carrying when being questioned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 06/21/17 1:35:38 PM #7:	ChainedRedone posted... Not victim blaming here but that guy would still be alive if he wasn't stupid enough to tell a cop he's armed. im pretty sure you're supposed to inform the LEO you are armed ASAP, it's part of the agreement to CC permits --- Now Playing: Persona 5 (PS4), The Old Blood (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:881542943] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Not victim blaming here but that guy would still be alive if he wasn't stupid enough to tell a cop he's armed.</quote> im pretty sure you're supposed to inform the LEO you are armed ASAP, it's part of the agreement to CC permits</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 06/21/17 1:37:14 PM #8:	Giant_Aspirin posted... ChainedRedone posted... Not victim blaming here but that guy would still be alive if he wasn't stupid enough to tell a cop he's armed. im pretty sure you're supposed to inform the LEO you are armed ASAP, it's part of the agreement to CC permits This...my criminal justice prof always said the first thing one should do is inform them of any weapons in the car as a courtesy. Only applies if youre white I guess --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:881543047] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Not victim blaming here but that guy would still be alive if he wasn't stupid enough to tell a cop he's armed.</quote> im pretty sure you're supposed to inform the LEO you are armed ASAP, it's part of the agreement to CC permits</quote> This...my criminal justice prof always said the first thing one should do is inform them of any weapons in the car as a courtesy. Only applies if youre white I guess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forever_Black 06/21/17 1:37:32 PM #9:	Giant_Aspirin posted... ChainedRedone posted... Not victim blaming here but that guy would still be alive if he wasn't stupid enough to tell a cop he's armed. im pretty sure you're supposed to inform the LEO you are armed ASAP, it's part of the agreement to CC permits This or you lose your right to carry and are possibly charged. The bottom line is when a cop tells you to not move when you have a gun and you keep moving, you get shot unfortunately. --- Ooouuu <cite>Forever_Black posted [p:881543069] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Not victim blaming here but that guy would still be alive if he wasn't stupid enough to tell a cop he's armed.</quote> im pretty sure you're supposed to inform the LEO you are armed ASAP, it's part of the agreement to CC permits</quote> This or you lose your right to carry and are possibly charged. The bottom line is when a cop tells you to not move when you have a gun and you keep moving, you get shot unfortunately.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 06/21/17 1:37:33 PM #10:	ChainedRedone posted... Xelltrix posted... How often does that happen? And why would there be a problem if it's legally allowed? In fact, probably should tell them and tell them where it's located so they can't claim you were reaching for it when you go somewhere else. Though that probably won't help. It's a problem because you just told the police you have a weapon that could kill them in an instant. That will make most police nervous, no matter how legal it is for you to carry one. I mean you're asking how it could become a problem in a topic about a man getting shot for doing exactly that. did you see some of the excuses from that cop, though? they're total horseshit. at one point he said something akin to "those people were smoking marijuana with a child in the car. since they clearly have no regard for her safety or well being how could i be sure they would care about mine?" the guy has no business wearing a badge --- Now Playing: Persona 5 (PS4), The Old Blood (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:881543071] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Xelltrix posted...</cite> <quote>How often does that happen? And why would there be a problem if it's legally allowed? In fact, probably should tell them and tell them where it's located so they can't claim you were reaching for it when you go somewhere else. Though that probably won't help.</quote> It's a problem because you just told the police you have a weapon that could kill them in an instant. That will make most police nervous, no matter how legal it is for you to carry one. I mean you're asking how it could become a problem in a topic about a man getting shot for doing exactly that.</quote> did you see some of the excuses from that cop, though? they're total horseshit. at one point he said something akin to "those people were smoking marijuana with a child in the car. since they clearly have no regard for her safety or well being how could i be sure they would care about mine?" the guy has no business wearing a badge</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 1:39:27 PM #11:	St0rmFury posted... I think you are required by law to let the officer know if you are carrying when being questioned. No you are not. Which further shows why it would be stupid to do so when you don't have to. Kaname_Madoka posted... ChainedRedone posted... That will make most police nervous jfc these people are trained, why do they get to be the nervous ones? It's also easy to see how carelessely announcing you are armed might sound like a threat to them. It's just not a good idea. I cannot understand why anyone would think it's a good idea. Cops aren't your friends. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881543197] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>I think you are required by law to let the officer know if you are carrying when being questioned.</quote> No you are not. Which further shows why it would be stupid to do so when you don't have to. <cite>Kaname_Madoka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>That will make most police nervous</quote> jfc these people are trained, why do they get to be the nervous ones?</quote> It's also easy to see how carelessely announcing you are armed might sound like a threat to them. It's just not a good idea. I cannot understand why anyone would think it's a good idea. Cops aren't your friends.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 1:40:37 PM #12:	Giant_Aspirin posted... ChainedRedone posted... Xelltrix posted... How often does that happen? And why would there be a problem if it's legally allowed? In fact, probably should tell them and tell them where it's located so they can't claim you were reaching for it when you go somewhere else. Though that probably won't help. It's a problem because you just told the police you have a weapon that could kill them in an instant. That will make most police nervous, no matter how legal it is for you to carry one. I mean you're asking how it could become a problem in a topic about a man getting shot for doing exactly that. did you see some of the excuses from that cop, though? they're total horseshit. at one point he said something akin to "those people were smoking marijuana with a child in the car. since they clearly have no regard for her safety or well being how could i be sure they would care about mine?" the guy has no business wearing a badge I agree. Not trying to argue about that though. Just telling people don't tell the police you have a gun, they are not your friends. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881543278] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Xelltrix posted...</cite> <quote>How often does that happen? And why would there be a problem if it's legally allowed? In fact, probably should tell them and tell them where it's located so they can't claim you were reaching for it when you go somewhere else. Though that probably won't help.</quote> It's a problem because you just told the police you have a weapon that could kill them in an instant. That will make most police nervous, no matter how legal it is for you to carry one. I mean you're asking how it could become a problem in a topic about a man getting shot for doing exactly that.</quote> did you see some of the excuses from that cop, though? they're total horseshit. at one point he said something akin to "those people were smoking marijuana with a child in the car. since they clearly have no regard for her safety or well being how could i be sure they would care about mine?" the guy has no business wearing a badge</quote> I agree. Not trying to argue about that though. Just telling people don't tell the police you have a gun, they are not your friends.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 06/21/17 1:43:17 PM #13:	Yeah, better a cop only glimpses your concealed carry weapon while you're fetching your wallet. Now you're in the exact same scenario except it looks like you were trying to conceal the weapon from the cop. --- // BEAUTY IS NOT LOVE - LOVE IS NOT MUSIC - MUSIC IS THE BEST - WISDOM IS THE DOMAIN OF THE WIZ--WHICH IS EXTINCT // http://www.last.fm/user/Pogo92 <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:881543459] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, better a cop only glimpses your concealed carry weapon while you're fetching your wallet. Now you're in the exact same scenario except it looks like you were trying to conceal the weapon from the cop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 06/21/17 1:44:21 PM #14:	You have to tell the cop you are armed Where he admittedly fucked up is not immediately putting his hands in view and asking the officer how to proceed The officer even said don't reach --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:881543525] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote>You have to tell the cop you are armed Where he admittedly fucked up is not immediately putting his hands in view and asking the officer how to proceed The officer even said don't reach</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 1:44:29 PM #15:	Pogo_Marimo posted... Yeah, better a cop only glimpses your concealed carry weapon while you're fetching your wallet. Now you're in the exact same scenario except it looks like you were trying to conceal the weapon from the cop. Well if you're carrying well he shouldn't be getting a glimpse. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881543537] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pogo_Marimo posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, better a cop only glimpses your concealed carry weapon while you're fetching your wallet. Now you're in the exact same scenario except it looks like you were trying to conceal the weapon from the cop.</quote> Well if you're carrying well he shouldn't be getting a glimpse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 1:45:14 PM #16:	StealthRock posted... You have to tell the cop you are armed No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881543596] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>You have to tell the cop you are armed</quote> No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 06/21/17 1:46:45 PM #17:	Giant_Aspirin posted... ChainedRedone posted... Xelltrix posted... How often does that happen? And why would there be a problem if it's legally allowed? In fact, probably should tell them and tell them where it's located so they can't claim you were reaching for it when you go somewhere else. Though that probably won't help. It's a problem because you just told the police you have a weapon that could kill them in an instant. That will make most police nervous, no matter how legal it is for you to carry one. I mean you're asking how it could become a problem in a topic about a man getting shot for doing exactly that. did you see some of the excuses from that cop, though? they're total horseshit. at one point he said something akin to "those people were smoking marijuana with a child in the car. since they clearly have no regard for her safety or well being how could i be sure they would care about mine?" the guy has no business wearing a badge to be fair, people have done much more dangerous things with children in the car having kids in the car is not a guarantee of safety --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:881543699] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Xelltrix posted...</cite> <quote>How often does that happen? And why would there be a problem if it's legally allowed? In fact, probably should tell them and tell them where it's located so they can't claim you were reaching for it when you go somewhere else. Though that probably won't help.</quote> It's a problem because you just told the police you have a weapon that could kill them in an instant. That will make most police nervous, no matter how legal it is for you to carry one. I mean you're asking how it could become a problem in a topic about a man getting shot for doing exactly that.</quote> did you see some of the excuses from that cop, though? they're total horseshit. at one point he said something akin to "those people were smoking marijuana with a child in the car. since they clearly have no regard for her safety or well being how could i be sure they would care about mine?" the guy has no business wearing a badge</quote> to be fair, people have done much more dangerous things with children in the car having kids in the car is not a guarantee of safety</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 06/21/17 1:47:49 PM #18:	StealthRock posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... ChainedRedone posted... Xelltrix posted... How often does that happen? And why would there be a problem if it's legally allowed? In fact, probably should tell them and tell them where it's located so they can't claim you were reaching for it when you go somewhere else. Though that probably won't help. It's a problem because you just told the police you have a weapon that could kill them in an instant. That will make most police nervous, no matter how legal it is for you to carry one. I mean you're asking how it could become a problem in a topic about a man getting shot for doing exactly that. did you see some of the excuses from that cop, though? they're total horseshit. at one point he said something akin to "those people were smoking marijuana with a child in the car. since they clearly have no regard for her safety or well being how could i be sure they would care about mine?" the guy has no business wearing a badge to be fair, people have done much more dangerous things with children in the car having kids in the car is not a guarantee of safety but "these people smoked pot in front of a child therefore i have reasonable suspicion to fear for my life in their presence" is something I cant even begin to comprehend. --- Now Playing: Persona 5 (PS4), The Old Blood (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:881543767] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Xelltrix posted...</cite> <quote>How often does that happen? And why would there be a problem if it's legally allowed? In fact, probably should tell them and tell them where it's located so they can't claim you were reaching for it when you go somewhere else. Though that probably won't help.</quote> It's a problem because you just told the police you have a weapon that could kill them in an instant. That will make most police nervous, no matter how legal it is for you to carry one. I mean you're asking how it could become a problem in a topic about a man getting shot for doing exactly that.</quote> did you see some of the excuses from that cop, though? they're total horseshit. at one point he said something akin to "those people were smoking marijuana with a child in the car. since they clearly have no regard for her safety or well being how could i be sure they would care about mine?" the guy has no business wearing a badge</quote> to be fair, people have done much more dangerous things with children in the car having kids in the car is not a guarantee of safety</quote> but "these people smoked pot in front of a child therefore i have reasonable suspicion to fear for my life in their presence" is something I cant even begin to comprehend.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 06/21/17 1:49:01 PM #19:	ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... You have to tell the cop you are armed No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do. https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/ Most states you have to if asked, some you just have to. I live in a state where I have to inform. --- Oda break tracker 2017- 4 (2) Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:881543821] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>You have to tell the cop you are armed</quote> No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do.</quote> https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/ Most states you have to if asked, some you just have to. I live in a state where I have to inform.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
glitteringfairy 06/21/17 1:49:42 PM #20:	You can get charged with a crime for not informing them that you armed. And they have the right to take your gun --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y http://i.imgur.com/AqR3aeX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vvuUXpp.jpg <cite>glitteringfairy posted [p:881543861] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote>You can get charged with a crime for not informing them that you armed. And they have the right to take your gun</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 06/21/17 1:49:59 PM #21:	ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... You have to tell the cop you are armed No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do. https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/ I live in Ohio most states are a yes if they ask you very few are a no duty state try again --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:881543882] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>You have to tell the cop you are armed</quote> No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do.</quote> https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/ I live in Ohio most states are a yes if they ask you very few are a no duty state try again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MattSFfrd 06/21/17 1:52:09 PM #22:	i'm in a universal carry state (no CC permit needed), you're supposed to tell the cop you have a gun on you if you get pulled over. that being said, i keep my pistol within arms reach when i'm driving, and I probably wouldn't tell a cop it was there unless he asked. no point inviting questions. --- http://i.imgur.com/DHLvJ5Q.gif https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQy5giAUsAAUXXa.jpg <cite>MattSFfrd posted [p:881544036] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote>i'm in a universal carry state (no CC permit needed), you're supposed to tell the cop you have a gun on you if you get pulled over. that being said, i keep my pistol within arms reach when i'm driving, and I probably wouldn't tell a cop it was there unless he asked. no point inviting questions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 1:52:51 PM #23:	StealthRock posted... ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... You have to tell the cop you are armed No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do. https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/ I live in Ohio most states are a yes if they ask you very few are a no duty state try again If they ask No routine encounter is going to ask if you are armed and I doubt in this case they asked him. glitteringfairy posted... You can get charged with a crime for not informing them that you armed. And they have the right to take your gun Only if it's in one of the few states where you have to inform. Most states you do not. Though I'll admit I'm quite surprised at the amount of states where you do have to inform in any encounter. Especially at the states, you'd think Texas and Alaska would try to protect your rights more than others. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881544084] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>You have to tell the cop you are armed</quote> No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do.</quote> https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/ I live in Ohio most states are a yes if they ask you very few are a no duty state try again</quote> If they ask No routine encounter is going to ask if you are armed and I doubt in this case they asked him. <cite>glitteringfairy posted...</cite> <quote>You can get charged with a crime for not informing them that you armed. And they have the right to take your gun</quote> Only if it's in one of the few states where you have to inform. Most states you do not. Though I'll admit I'm quite surprised at the amount of states where you do have to inform in any encounter. Especially at the states, you'd think Texas and Alaska would try to protect your rights more than others.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 06/21/17 1:55:15 PM #24:	ChainedRedone posted... Only if it's in one of the few states where you have to inform. Most states you do not. In 26% of the states you have to inform, I'd call that more than a few. --- Oda break tracker 2017- 4 (2) Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:881544254] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Only if it's in one of the few states where you have to inform. Most states you do not.</quote> In 26% of the states you have to inform, I'd call that more than a few.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 1:57:26 PM #25:	voldothegr8 posted... ChainedRedone posted... Only if it's in one of the few states where you have to inform. Most states you do not. In 26% of the states you have to inform, I'd call that more than a few. Yeah I added that I was surprised at the amount. Wasn't expecting that much. Anyway, Minnesota the state that this occured is only if they ask. In which case I don't believe the officer did. So he should have not told them. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881544379] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Only if it's in one of the few states where you have to inform. Most states you do not.</quote> In 26% of the states you have to inform, I'd call that more than a few.</quote> Yeah I added that I was surprised at the amount. Wasn't expecting that much. Anyway, Minnesota the state that this occured is only if they ask. In which case I don't believe the officer did. So he should have not told them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 06/21/17 1:57:49 PM #26:	ChainedRedone posted... Pogo_Marimo posted... Yeah, better a cop only glimpses your concealed carry weapon while you're fetching your wallet. Now you're in the exact same scenario except it looks like you were trying to conceal the weapon from the cop. Well if you're carrying well he shouldn't be getting a glimpse. Some states are open carry states FYI --- https://imgflip.com/gif/di4a4 <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:881544405] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pogo_Marimo posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, better a cop only glimpses your concealed carry weapon while you're fetching your wallet. Now you're in the exact same scenario except it looks like you were trying to conceal the weapon from the cop.</quote> Well if you're carrying well he shouldn't be getting a glimpse.</quote> Some states are open carry states FYI</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 06/21/17 2:00:27 PM #27:	ChainedRedone posted... If they ask No routine encounter is going to ask if you are armed and I doubt in this case they asked him. . I Live in Ohio Ohio is a duty to inform in all encounters state --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:881544578] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote> If they ask No routine encounter is going to ask if you are armed and I doubt in this case they asked him. .</quote> I Live in Ohio Ohio is a duty to inform in all encounters state</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 06/21/17 2:01:58 PM #28:	ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... You have to tell the cop you are armed No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do. https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/ I live in Ohio most states are a yes if they ask you very few are a no duty state try again If they ask No routine encounter is going to ask if you are armed and I doubt in this case they asked him. glitteringfairy posted... You can get charged with a crime for not informing them that you armed. And they have the right to take your gun Only if it's in one of the few states where you have to inform. Most states you do not. Though I'll admit I'm quite surprised at the amount of states where you do have to inform in any encounter. Especially at the states, you'd think Texas and Alaska would try to protect your rights more than others. "No routine stop is going to ask if you carry" Can't speak for anyone else but I've been asked "are you carry my anything on you, including sharp objects or knives" nearly every time I've been stopped. Maybe it's part of the black experience in America, I dunno --- https://imgflip.com/gif/di4a4 <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:881544671] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>You have to tell the cop you are armed</quote> No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do.</quote> https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/ I live in Ohio most states are a yes if they ask you very few are a no duty state try again</quote> If they ask No routine encounter is going to ask if you are armed and I doubt in this case they asked him. <cite>glitteringfairy posted...</cite> <quote>You can get charged with a crime for not informing them that you armed. And they have the right to take your gun</quote> Only if it's in one of the few states where you have to inform. Most states you do not. Though I'll admit I'm quite surprised at the amount of states where you do have to inform in any encounter. Especially at the states, you'd think Texas and Alaska would try to protect your rights more than others.</quote> "No routine stop is going to ask if you carry" Can't speak for anyone else but I've been asked "are you carry my anything on you, including sharp objects or knives" nearly every time I've been stopped. Maybe it's part of the black experience in America, I dunno</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bandit_Keith 06/21/17 2:03:37 PM #29:	You are so uninformed. And assertive with your wrong beliefs, too. I find that amusing. --- http://i.imgur.com/nq0Fn6a.jpg <cite>Bandit_Keith posted [p:881544782] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote>You are so uninformed. And assertive with your wrong beliefs, too. I find that amusing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackSky09 06/21/17 2:04:32 PM #30:	ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... You have to tell the cop you are armed No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do. I am a cop and you most certainly do in my state. If you have a CC and do not tell a cop you are armed, its arrestable and you may lose your license. If you so much as touch the gun without permission or even fail to keep your hands visible, its a felony. My state also has extremely strict laws on transporting weapons in a motor vehicle without a CC <cite>BlackSky09 posted [p:881544840] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>You have to tell the cop you are armed</quote> No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do.</quote> I am a cop and you most certainly do in my state. If you have a CC and do not tell a cop you are armed, its arrestable and you may lose your license. If you so much as touch the gun without permission or even fail to keep your hands visible, its a felony. My state also has extremely strict laws on transporting weapons in a motor vehicle without a CC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 2:05:16 PM #31:	Twin3Turbo posted... ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... You have to tell the cop you are armed No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do. https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/ I live in Ohio most states are a yes if they ask you very few are a no duty state try again If they ask No routine encounter is going to ask if you are armed and I doubt in this case they asked him. glitteringfairy posted... You can get charged with a crime for not informing them that you armed. And they have the right to take your gun Only if it's in one of the few states where you have to inform. Most states you do not. Though I'll admit I'm quite surprised at the amount of states where you do have to inform in any encounter. Especially at the states, you'd think Texas and Alaska would try to protect your rights more than others. "No routine stop is going to ask if you carry" Can't speak for anyone else but I've been asked "are you carry my anything on you, including sharp objects or knives" nearly every time I've been stopped. Maybe it's part of the black experience in America, I dunno I've never been asked personally, so I figured it was rare. In any case, my OP is incomplete and should be updated to state you should never tell a cop if it is not legally required. I can't see why anyone would just announce to the police you have a gun when you don't have to. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881544899] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>You have to tell the cop you are armed</quote> No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do.</quote> https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/ I live in Ohio most states are a yes if they ask you very few are a no duty state try again</quote> If they ask No routine encounter is going to ask if you are armed and I doubt in this case they asked him. <cite>glitteringfairy posted...</cite> <quote>You can get charged with a crime for not informing them that you armed. And they have the right to take your gun</quote> Only if it's in one of the few states where you have to inform. Most states you do not. Though I'll admit I'm quite surprised at the amount of states where you do have to inform in any encounter. Especially at the states, you'd think Texas and Alaska would try to protect your rights more than others.</quote> "No routine stop is going to ask if you carry" Can't speak for anyone else but I've been asked "are you carry my anything on you, including sharp objects or knives" nearly every time I've been stopped. Maybe it's part of the black experience in America, I dunno</quote> I've never been asked personally, so I figured it was rare. In any case, my OP is incomplete and should be updated to state you should never tell a cop if it is not legally required. I can't see why anyone would just announce to the police you have a gun when you don't have to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metralo 06/21/17 2:06:55 PM #32:	stop fucking making excuses for pigs. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1298321979/image.jpg <cite>metralo posted [p:881545000] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote>stop fucking making excuses for pigs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 2:07:25 PM #33:	Bandit_Keith posted... You are so uninformed. And assertive with your wrong beliefs, too. I find that amusing. Well I live in a state where it is not necessary and talking about an event that occured in a state where it is not necessary. So really it should be added that you only should if it is legally necessary in your state. The states where I was talking about it isn't. So I don't see how my beliefs are so wrong. metralo posted... stop fucking making excuses for pigs. I'm not making excuses at all. I'm saying I don't trust them and I'd never disclose that fact if I was pulled over or stopped. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881545039] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bandit_Keith posted...</cite> <quote>You are so uninformed. And assertive with your wrong beliefs, too. I find that amusing.</quote> Well I live in a state where it is not necessary and talking about an event that occured in a state where it is not necessary. So really it should be added that you only should if it is legally necessary in your state. The states where I was talking about it isn't. So I don't see how my beliefs are so wrong. <cite>metralo posted...</cite> <quote>stop fucking making excuses for pigs.</quote> I'm not making excuses at all. I'm saying I don't trust them and I'd never disclose that fact if I was pulled over or stopped.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 06/21/17 2:08:12 PM #34:	ChainedRedone posted... Twin3Turbo posted... ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... You have to tell the cop you are armed No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do. https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/ I live in Ohio most states are a yes if they ask you very few are a no duty state try again If they ask No routine encounter is going to ask if you are armed and I doubt in this case they asked him. glitteringfairy posted... You can get charged with a crime for not informing them that you armed. And they have the right to take your gun Only if it's in one of the few states where you have to inform. Most states you do not. Though I'll admit I'm quite surprised at the amount of states where you do have to inform in any encounter. Especially at the states, you'd think Texas and Alaska would try to protect your rights more than others. "No routine stop is going to ask if you carry" Can't speak for anyone else but I've been asked "are you carry my anything on you, including sharp objects or knives" nearly every time I've been stopped. Maybe it's part of the black experience in America, I dunno I've never been asked personally, so I figured it was rare. In any case, my OP is incomplete and should be updated to state you should never tell a cop if it is not legally required. I can't see why anyone would just announce to the police you have a gun when you don't have to. Because it is better to do so in order to smooth out the interaction you THEN ask the officer how to proceed and keep your hands in full view at all times. You don't reach for shit else afterwards --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:881545086] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>You have to tell the cop you are armed</quote> No you don't. It may be different in some states but I know in Florida and in most states you do not have to tell them. I doubt there is a state where you do.</quote> https://www.usacarry.com/duty-to-inform-laws/ I live in Ohio most states are a yes if they ask you very few are a no duty state try again</quote> If they ask No routine encounter is going to ask if you are armed and I doubt in this case they asked him. <cite>glitteringfairy posted...</cite> <quote>You can get charged with a crime for not informing them that you armed. And they have the right to take your gun</quote> Only if it's in one of the few states where you have to inform. Most states you do not. Though I'll admit I'm quite surprised at the amount of states where you do have to inform in any encounter. Especially at the states, you'd think Texas and Alaska would try to protect your rights more than others.</quote> "No routine stop is going to ask if you carry" Can't speak for anyone else but I've been asked "are you carry my anything on you, including sharp objects or knives" nearly every time I've been stopped. Maybe it's part of the black experience in America, I dunno</quote> I've never been asked personally, so I figured it was rare. In any case, my OP is incomplete and should be updated to state you should never tell a cop if it is not legally required. I can't see why anyone would just announce to the police you have a gun when you don't have to.</quote> Because it is better to do so in order to smooth out the interaction you THEN ask the officer how to proceed and keep your hands in full view at all times. You don't reach for shit else afterwards</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 2:11:11 PM #35:	StealthRock posted... Because it is better to do so in order to smooth out the interaction you THEN ask the officer how to proceed and keep your hands in full view at all times. You don't reach for shit else afterwards Didn't work out to smooth it out for that guy, did it? Don't reach for shit? Cool, good to know I can't inadvertently reach for something or I'll get murdered. Yeah, I'd rather not risk that. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881545277] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Because it is better to do so in order to smooth out the interaction you THEN ask the officer how to proceed and keep your hands in full view at all times. You don't reach for shit else afterwards</quote> Didn't work out to smooth it out for that guy, did it? Don't reach for shit? Cool, good to know I can't inadvertently reach for something or I'll get murdered. Yeah, I'd rather not risk that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 06/21/17 2:15:11 PM #36:	ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... Because it is better to do so in order to smooth out the interaction you THEN ask the officer how to proceed and keep your hands in full view at all times. You don't reach for shit else afterwards Didn't work out to smooth it out for that guy, did it? Don't reach for shit? Cool, good to know I can't inadvertently reach for something or I'll get murdered. Yeah, I'd rather not risk that. It didn't smooth it out because 1. The Cop was shit 2. He reached when he was told not to. The officer plain as day told him not to reach for his gun after he announced it's presence. Not to victim blame (the cop was an idiot and should be in jail), but he should have immediately froze and asked for further directions in normal cases, complying and being honest will increase your chances of survival 100 fold If you own a gun. then it's your duty to know the laws and how to handle it --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:881545519] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Because it is better to do so in order to smooth out the interaction you THEN ask the officer how to proceed and keep your hands in full view at all times. You don't reach for shit else afterwards</quote> Didn't work out to smooth it out for that guy, did it? Don't reach for shit? Cool, good to know I can't inadvertently reach for something or I'll get murdered. Yeah, I'd rather not risk that.</quote> It didn't smooth it out because 1. The Cop was shit 2. He reached when he was told not to. The officer plain as day told him not to reach for his gun after he announced it's presence. Not to victim blame (the cop was an idiot and should be in jail), but he should have immediately froze and asked for further directions in normal cases, complying and being honest will increase your chances of survival 100 fold If you own a gun. then it's your duty to know the laws and how to handle it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 06/21/17 2:17:25 PM #37:	Telling them you have a gun is a much better idea than not telling them, especially since most officers will specifically ask you if have any weapons on you --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:881545662] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote>Telling them you have a gun is a much better idea than not telling them, especially since most officers will specifically ask you if have any weapons on you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 2:17:50 PM #38:	StealthRock posted... ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... Because it is better to do so in order to smooth out the interaction you THEN ask the officer how to proceed and keep your hands in full view at all times. You don't reach for shit else afterwards Didn't work out to smooth it out for that guy, did it? Don't reach for shit? Cool, good to know I can't inadvertently reach for something or I'll get murdered. Yeah, I'd rather not risk that. It didn't smooth it out because 1. The Cop was shit 2. He reached when he was told not to. The officer plain as day told him not to reach for his gun after he announced it's presence. Not to victim blame (the cop was an idiot and should be in jail), but he should have immediately froze and asked for further directions in normal cases, complying and being honest will increase your chances of survival 100 fold So if I get a bad cop I'm significantly increasing the chance of getting murdered if I tell him I have a gun. Yeah, how about you don't tell the cop that and don't risk getting shot? Or you could "smooth" the scenario for fun. Because that's totally necessary in a routine traffic encounter. And totally risk getting shot at. Whatever you prefer I suppose. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881545690] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Because it is better to do so in order to smooth out the interaction you THEN ask the officer how to proceed and keep your hands in full view at all times. You don't reach for shit else afterwards</quote> Didn't work out to smooth it out for that guy, did it? Don't reach for shit? Cool, good to know I can't inadvertently reach for something or I'll get murdered. Yeah, I'd rather not risk that.</quote> It didn't smooth it out because 1. The Cop was shit 2. He reached when he was told not to. The officer plain as day told him not to reach for his gun after he announced it's presence. Not to victim blame (the cop was an idiot and should be in jail), but he should have immediately froze and asked for further directions in normal cases, complying and being honest will increase your chances of survival 100 fold</quote> So if I get a bad cop I'm significantly increasing the chance of getting murdered if I tell him I have a gun. Yeah, how about you don't tell the cop that and don't risk getting shot? Or you could "smooth" the scenario for fun. Because that's totally necessary in a routine traffic encounter. And totally risk getting shot at. Whatever you prefer I suppose.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 2:19:05 PM #39:	eston posted... Telling them you have a gun is a much better idea than not telling them, especially since most officers will specifically ask you if have any weapons on you I have been pulled over multiple times and never been asked. And if they ask you, then tell them. They aren't going to pull a gun on you and say "Why didn't you tell me before I asked you?!" unless you can provide an example where that actually occured. Until then, I have an example where telling a cop you are armed got someone shot. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881545772] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Telling them you have a gun is a much better idea than not telling them, especially since most officers will specifically ask you if have any weapons on you</quote> I have been pulled over multiple times and never been asked. And if they ask you, then tell them. They aren't going to pull a gun on you and say "Why didn't you tell me before I asked you?!" unless you can provide an example where that actually occured. Until then, I have an example where telling a cop you are armed got someone shot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 06/21/17 2:21:03 PM #40:	ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... Because it is better to do so in order to smooth out the interaction you THEN ask the officer how to proceed and keep your hands in full view at all times. You don't reach for shit else afterwards Didn't work out to smooth it out for that guy, did it? Don't reach for shit? Cool, good to know I can't inadvertently reach for something or I'll get murdered. Yeah, I'd rather not risk that. It didn't smooth it out because 1. The Cop was shit 2. He reached when he was told not to. The officer plain as day told him not to reach for his gun after he announced it's presence. Not to victim blame (the cop was an idiot and should be in jail), but he should have immediately froze and asked for further directions in normal cases, complying and being honest will increase your chances of survival 100 fold So if I get a bad cop I'm significantly increasing the chance of getting murdered if I tell him I have a gun. Yeah, how about you don't tell the cop that and don't risk getting shot? Or you could "smooth" the scenario for fun. Because that's totally necessary in a routine traffic encounter. And totally risk getting shot at. Whatever you prefer I suppose. If you get a bad cop you're fucked anyways. So why not just lead them on a speed chase so that you can increase your chance of getting away? Or, you can play smart and inform the cop that you are armed and ask for direction from the officer. Most Cops I've seen ask if you have anything on you. Cops have the right to take you firearm until the interaction is complete. --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:881545876] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>Because it is better to do so in order to smooth out the interaction you THEN ask the officer how to proceed and keep your hands in full view at all times. You don't reach for shit else afterwards</quote> Didn't work out to smooth it out for that guy, did it? Don't reach for shit? Cool, good to know I can't inadvertently reach for something or I'll get murdered. Yeah, I'd rather not risk that.</quote> It didn't smooth it out because 1. The Cop was shit 2. He reached when he was told not to. The officer plain as day told him not to reach for his gun after he announced it's presence. Not to victim blame (the cop was an idiot and should be in jail), but he should have immediately froze and asked for further directions in normal cases, complying and being honest will increase your chances of survival 100 fold</quote> So if I get a bad cop I'm significantly increasing the chance of getting murdered if I tell him I have a gun. Yeah, how about you don't tell the cop that and don't risk getting shot? Or you could "smooth" the scenario for fun. Because that's totally necessary in a routine traffic encounter. And totally risk getting shot at. Whatever you prefer I suppose.</quote> If you get a bad cop you're fucked anyways. So why not just lead them on a speed chase so that you can increase your chance of getting away? Or, you can play smart and inform the cop that you are armed and ask for direction from the officer. Most Cops I've seen ask if you have anything on you. Cops have the right to take you firearm until the interaction is complete.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Roxborough4Ever 06/21/17 2:21:59 PM #43:	Kaname_Madoka posted... ChainedRedone posted... That will make most police nervous jfc these people are trained, why do they get to be the nervous ones? in your world, a 2 year college course is "training" --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:881545944] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kaname_Madoka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>That will make most police nervous</quote> jfc these people are trained, why do they get to be the nervous ones?</quote> in your world, a 2 year college course is "training"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 2:23:24 PM #44:	StealthRock posted... If you get a bad cop you're fucked anyways. So why not just lead them on a speed chase so that you can increase your chance of getting away? Not necessarily. I doubt the guy has ever shot anyone before someone told him out of the blue he has a gun. He's been a bad cop all his life and did't shoot someone until they announced that. So I'm pretty sure if the guy kept his mouth shut it would have went like any of his other hundreds of traffic stops. Like I said, unless you can provide an example where not announcing you have a firearm (where it is legal of course) got someone in trouble, I have examples where announcing it got someone killed. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881546032] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>If you get a bad cop you're fucked anyways. So why not just lead them on a speed chase so that you can increase your chance of getting away?</quote> Not necessarily. I doubt the guy has ever shot anyone before someone told him out of the blue he has a gun. He's been a bad cop all his life and did't shoot someone until they announced that. So I'm pretty sure if the guy kept his mouth shut it would have went like any of his other hundreds of traffic stops. Like I said, unless you can provide an example where not announcing you have a firearm (where it is legal of course) got someone in trouble, I have examples where announcing it got someone killed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bandit_Keith 06/21/17 2:23:32 PM #45:	ChainedRedone posted... Well I live in a state where it is not necessary and talking about an event that occured in a state where it is not necessary. So really it should be added that you only should if it is legally necessary in your state. The states where I was talking about it isn't. So I don't see how my beliefs are so wrong. You stated repeatedly before being shown the facts that one doesn't have to inform the police they are armed. That was you being assertive in your belief even though it was wrong. You then said no routine stop is going to ask, which is also wrong. Just because it hasn't happened to you personally, you made broad assumptions. The fact of the matter is, in most states you will be asked or you have to inform them out right. It's also amusing that after getting this new information, you don't change your initial claims, but rather try to put qualifiers on the claims so you can stick to your guns, as it were. Also, despite you saying now that this is about a specific case, notice that in your opening post you never mentioned that case. You made a broad statement encompassing people's actions and words in the present, not what happened in the past. It is rather routine for police to ask. Especially if you are Black/Hispanic. So preemptively mentioning it when they are likely to already ask it is not an issue. In the end, only two states say you don't have to tell them. Overall you will either likely be asked, or you have to inform them without even being asked. That is the answer to your topic title. --- http://i.imgur.com/nq0Fn6a.jpg <cite>Bandit_Keith posted [p:881546038] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Well I live in a state where it is not necessary and talking about an event that occured in a state where it is not necessary. So really it should be added that you only should if it is legally necessary in your state. The states where I was talking about it isn't. So I don't see how my beliefs are so wrong. </quote> You stated repeatedly before being shown the facts that one doesn't have to inform the police they are armed. That was you being assertive in your belief even though it was wrong. You then said no routine stop is going to ask, which is also wrong. Just because it hasn't happened to you personally, you made broad assumptions. The fact of the matter is, in most states you will be asked or you have to inform them out right. It's also amusing that after getting this new information, you don't change your initial claims, but rather try to put qualifiers on the claims so you can stick to your guns, as it were. Also, despite you saying now that this is about a specific case, notice that in your opening post you never mentioned that case. You made a broad statement encompassing people's actions and words in the present, not what happened in the past. It is rather routine for police to ask. Especially if you are Black/Hispanic. So preemptively mentioning it when they are likely to already ask it is not an issue. In the end, only two states say you don't have to tell them. Overall you will either likely be asked, or you have to inform them without even being asked. That is the answer to your topic title.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 06/21/17 2:24:45 PM #46:	Roxborough4Ever posted... Kaname_Madoka posted... ChainedRedone posted... That will make most police nervous jfc these people are trained, why do they get to be the nervous ones? in your world, a 2 year college course is "training" Hell No amount of training can completely get rid of nerves but to be fair, the average citizen doesn't even get a "2 year college course" on remaining calm in a police interaction --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:881546125] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Roxborough4Ever posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kaname_Madoka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>That will make most police nervous</quote> jfc these people are trained, why do they get to be the nervous ones?</quote> in your world, a 2 year college course is "training"</quote> Hell No amount of training can completely get rid of nerves but to be fair, the average citizen doesn't even get a "2 year college course" on remaining calm in a police interaction</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 2:26:13 PM #47:	Bandit_Keith posted... You stated repeatedly before being shown the facts that one doesn't have to inform the police they are armed. That was you being assertive in your belief even though it was wrong. You then said no routine stop is going to ask, which is also wrong. It's also amusing that after getting this new information, you don't change your initial claims, but rather try to put qualifiers on the claims so you can stick to your guns, as it were. The event that I was speaking about though he did not have to announce. And the second part where I said it is rare for a cop to ask is really unimportant because if they do ask, like I said, just tell them then. So why you keep harping on that is amusing. I also did change my initial claims. Hell, I even said I change my original post to adding it should only be announced in states where it is required. Did you skip over that? And yes I did mention the case. Back in the original post "Not victim blaming here but that guy would still be alive if he wasn't stupid enough to tell a cop he's armed. " Given recent events it should be obvious who I was talking about. Bandit_Keith posted... It is rather routine for police to ask. Especially if you are Black/Hispanic. So preemptively mentioning it when they are likely to already ask it is not an issue. Except, in cases like this, where someone got shot. Sure it's usually not an issue, except in cases where it is an issue. Maybe you think it's worth the risk. But I'm saying it's not. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881546221] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bandit_Keith posted...</cite> <quote>You stated repeatedly before being shown the facts that one doesn't have to inform the police they are armed. That was you being assertive in your belief even though it was wrong. You then said no routine stop is going to ask, which is also wrong. It's also amusing that after getting this new information, you don't change your initial claims, but rather try to put qualifiers on the claims so you can stick to your guns, as it were.</quote> The event that I was speaking about though he did not have to announce. And the second part where I said it is rare for a cop to ask is really unimportant because if they do ask, like I said, just tell them then. So why you keep harping on that is amusing. I also did change my initial claims. Hell, I even said I change my original post to adding it should only be announced in states where it is required. Did you skip over that? And yes I did mention the case. Back in the original post "Not victim blaming here but that guy would still be alive if he wasn't stupid enough to tell a cop he's armed. " Given recent events it should be obvious who I was talking about. <cite>Bandit_Keith posted...</cite> <quote>It is rather routine for police to ask. Especially if you are Black/Hispanic. So preemptively mentioning it when they are likely to already ask it is not an issue.</quote> Except, in cases like this, where someone got shot. Sure it's usually not an issue, except in cases where it is an issue. Maybe you think it's worth the risk. But I'm saying it's not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 06/21/17 2:30:29 PM #48:	ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... If you get a bad cop you're fucked anyways. So why not just lead them on a speed chase so that you can increase your chance of getting away? Not necessarily. I doubt the guy has ever shot anyone before someone told him out of the blue he has a gun. He's been a bad cop all his life and did't shoot someone until they announced that. So I'm pretty sure if the guy kept his mouth shut it would have went like any of his other hundreds of traffic stops. Like I said, unless you can provide an example where not announcing you have a firearm (where it is legal of course) got someone in trouble, I have examples where announcing it got someone killed. You may be correct. He didn't seem like a good cop in general. And the interaction may have gone different if Castile had not told him or reached for his wallet But to be fair, you have 1 whole example, which may be questionable because other factors played into it. If it was just because he said he was armed, he would've gotten popped right then and there. What actually happened was he stated he was armed and proceeded to reach for his wallet. The cop (shitty as he was) repeatedly told him not to do so and he did anyways, giving on verbal reassurance. --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:881546466] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>If you get a bad cop you're fucked anyways. So why not just lead them on a speed chase so that you can increase your chance of getting away?</quote> Not necessarily. I doubt the guy has ever shot anyone before someone told him out of the blue he has a gun. He's been a bad cop all his life and did't shoot someone until they announced that. So I'm pretty sure if the guy kept his mouth shut it would have went like any of his other hundreds of traffic stops. Like I said, unless you can provide an example where not announcing you have a firearm (where it is legal of course) got someone in trouble, I have examples where announcing it got someone killed.</quote> You may be correct. He didn't seem like a good cop in general. And the interaction may have gone different if Castile had not told him or reached for his wallet But to be fair, you have 1 whole example, which may be questionable because other factors played into it. If it was just because he said he was armed, he would've gotten popped right then and there. What actually happened was he stated he was armed and proceeded to reach for his wallet. The cop (shitty as he was) repeatedly told him not to do so and he did anyways, giving on verbal reassurance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 06/21/17 2:32:24 PM #49:	StealthRock posted... But to be fair, you have 1 whole example, which may be questionable because other factors played into it. If it was just because he said he was armed, he would've gotten popped right then and there. But you have no examples, is what I'm saying. If you have even a single example where someone was legally conceal carrying and got shot for not disclosing he had a firearm during a routine encounter, then I'll stand corrected. The point is why would you risk unnerving a bad cop when you get no benefit in return? What possible benefit comes from announcing it when you are not legally obligated? You aren't even going to get a pat on the back, so I see no good reason why you would go out of your way to tell him information he does not need to know. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:881546587] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>But to be fair, you have 1 whole example, which may be questionable because other factors played into it. If it was just because he said he was armed, he would've gotten popped right then and there. </quote> But you have no examples, is what I'm saying. If you have even a single example where someone was legally conceal carrying and got shot for not disclosing he had a firearm during a routine encounter, then I'll stand corrected. The point is why would you risk unnerving a bad cop when you get no benefit in return? What possible benefit comes from announcing it when you are not legally obligated? You aren't even going to get a pat on the back, so I see no good reason why you would go out of your way to tell him information he does not need to know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bandit_Keith 06/21/17 2:33:37 PM #50:	I was wrong about you not mentioning the case in the op, and I apologize. I was wrong. I don't see how I am "harping" on anything. I made a total of two posts. The first pointing out how you were uninformed of the laws, yet telling others they were wrong. The second to clarify, as you stated that you didn't see how your beliefs were wrong. --- http://i.imgur.com/nq0Fn6a.jpg <cite>Bandit_Keith posted [p:881546662] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote>I was wrong about you not mentioning the case in the op, and I apologize. I was wrong. I don't see how I am "harping" on anything. I made a total of two posts. The first pointing out how you were uninformed of the laws, yet telling others they were wrong. The second to clarify, as you stated that you didn't see how your beliefs were wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 06/21/17 2:40:48 PM #51:	ChainedRedone posted... StealthRock posted... But to be fair, you have 1 whole example, which may be questionable because other factors played into it. If it was just because he said he was armed, he would've gotten popped right then and there. But you have no examples, is what I'm saying. If you have even a single example where someone was legally conceal carrying and got shot for not disclosing he had a firearm during a routine encounter, then I'll stand corrected. again, you example is questionable and I have millions of examples of citizens staying alive after informing officers like the laws requires --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:881547082] in Why do peo... [t:75486378]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealthRock posted...</cite> <quote>But to be fair, you have 1 whole example, which may be questionable because other factors played into it. If it was just because he said he was armed, he would've gotten popped right then and there. </quote> But you have no examples, is what I'm saying. If you have even a single example where someone was legally conceal carrying and got shot for not disclosing he had a firearm during a routine encounter, then I'll stand corrected.</quote> again, you example is questionable and I have millions of examples of citizens staying alive after informing officers like the laws requires</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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