Current Events > If the person who says "I don't support a livable wage" wins...

(+) Yeah! (+)

what hope is there?
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Maybe the left should make that the basis for their campaign instead of the whiny social justice / identity politics bullshit they're clinging to
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Clad posted...

instead of the whiny social justice / identity politics bullshit they're clinging to

Seriously this.

The democrats were once a party of the people.
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Clad posted...

Maybe the left should make that the basis for their campaign instead of the whiny social justice / identity politics bullshit they're clinging to

You ever heard Sanders or Warren speak?
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ledbowman posted...

Clad posted...

Maybe the left should make that the basis for their campaign instead of the whiny social justice / identity politics bullshit they're clinging to

You ever heard Sanders or Warren speak?

Yeah, Sanders is a sell-out hypocrite and Warren is a sleazy witch.
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ledbowman posted...

Clad posted...

Maybe the left should make that the basis for their campaign instead of the whiny social justice / identity politics bullshit they're clinging to

You ever heard Sanders or Warren speak?

Sanders isn't a democrat. He was independent and ran as a democrat to increase his chances of winning the general. Sanders is a true leftist. Not a corporate establishment shill like Hillary.

Warren is too old at this point, and so is Sanders.

Wendy Davis 2020 IMO
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The primary people who are for overpaying jobs that only require a 6th grade education are also the least likely to vote, so this doesn't surprise me at all.
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Clad posted...

Maybe the left should make that the basis for their campaign instead of the whiny social justice / identity politics bullshit they're clinging to

While I tend to agree with this general idea, here I would note that Ossoff wasn't out SJWing it up with his campaign. His message was about cutting government spending.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Wendy Davis 2020 IMO

And she's hot to boot? Damn!
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King Rial posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Wendy Davis 2020 IMO

And she's hot to boot? Damn!

I don't know about hot but definitely much more attractive than Clinton / Warren.
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ledbowman posted...

Clad posted...

Maybe the left should make that the basis for their campaign instead of the whiny social justice / identity politics bullshit they're clinging to

You ever heard Sanders or Warren speak?

I have, Sanders is so stupid he lost to fucking Ted Cruz in a debate on CNN of all places, Cruz destroyed all of his arguments and when an audience small business owner told Sanders that she can't nor should she be expected to provide health care for her employees because she can't afford it, Sanders got mad at her and told her she didn't deserve to have a business,then. Think about that, somebody trying to make it in this fucked up world, a small business owner, a person a republican does not give a shit about got told by somebody who was trying to lead the country she didn't deserve to achieve her dream because she has to carry her employees with her. People like Sanders and the rest of the Democrats are why many ran to Trump along with other things like being anti-white, supporting PC culture the new horrible feminist ideals and tons of other shit, whatever base they had before then is leaving in droves and either stopped voting completely, or changed to republicans out of spite.
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Antifar posted...

Clad posted...

Maybe the left should make that the basis for their campaign instead of the whiny social justice / identity politics bullshit they're clinging to

While I tend to agree with this general idea, here I would note that Ossoff wasn't out SJWing it up with his campaign. His message was about cutting government spending.

but what were his supporters saying?
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tremain07 posted...

ledbowman posted...

Clad posted...

Maybe the left should make that the basis for their campaign instead of the whiny social justice / identity politics bullshit they're clinging to

You ever heard Sanders or Warren speak?

I have, Sanders is so stupid he lost to fucking Ted Cruz in a debate on CNN of all places, Cruz destroyed all of his arguments and when an audience small business owner told Sanders that she can't nor should she be expected to provide health care for her employees because she can't afford it, Sanders got mad at her and told her she didn't deserve to have a business,then. Think about that, somebody trying to make it in this fucked up world, a small business owner, a person a republican does not give a shit about got told by somebody who was trying to lead the country she didn't deserve to achieve her dream because she has to carry her employees with her. People like Sanders and the rest of the Democrats are why many ran to Trump along with other things like being anti-white, supporting PC culture the new horrible feminist ideals and tons of other shit, whatever base they had before then is leaving in droves and either stopped voting completely, or changed to republicans out of spite.

exactly
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King Rial posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Wendy Davis 2020 IMO

And she's hot to boot? Damn!

What about the hot chica from hawaii
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Sounds like the problem is the people, not the candidates. If you hear "I don't support a livable wage" and vote for that person because you like that better than social equality, that's on you.
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Clad posted...

Maybe the left should make that the basis for their campaign instead of the whiny social justice / identity politics bullshit they're clinging to

I'd love to see Democrats actually do this. They're pandering to the worst people in society, and it's destroying the party.
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And the people have spoken, "Fuck livable wages for people who don't have skills"
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tremain07 posted...

I have, Sanders is so stupid he lost to fucking Ted Cruz in a debate on CNN of all places, Cruz destroyed all of his arguments and when an audience small business owner told Sanders that she can't nor should she be expected to provide health care for her employees because she can't afford it, Sanders got mad at her and told her she didn't deserve to have a business,then.

Holy shit, is this for real? Is there a youtube clip? I'd expect that kind of argument from a bottom tier shitposting leftist CE troll, but Bernie Sanders saying that? That's freaking bad. REALLY bad.

tremain07 posted...

Think about that, somebody trying to make it in this fucked up world, a small business owner, a person a republican does not give a shit about got told by somebody who was trying to lead the country she didn't deserve to achieve her dream because she has to carry her employees with her.

LMAO you have never met a republican.

tremain07 posted...

ledbowman posted...

Clad posted...

Maybe the left should make that the basis for their campaign instead of the whiny social justice / identity politics bullshit they're clinging to

You ever heard Sanders or Warren speak?

I have, Sanders is so stupid he lost to fucking Ted Cruz in a debate on CNN of all places, Cruz destroyed all of his arguments and when an audience small business owner told Sanders that she can't nor should she be expected to provide health care for her employees because she can't afford it, Sanders got mad at her and told her she didn't deserve to have a business,then. Think about that, somebody trying to make it in this fucked up world, a small business owner, a person a republican does not give a shit about got told by somebody who was trying to lead the country she didn't deserve to achieve her dream because she has to carry her employees with her. People like Sanders and the rest of the Democrats are why many ran to Trump along with other things like being anti-white, supporting PC culture the new horrible feminist ideals and tons of other shit, whatever base they had before then is leaving in droves and either stopped voting completely, or changed to republicans out of spite.

sounds like berniebro just told her some hard truths tbh

obv the business supports the business owner but what are the employees getting? just shafted without even a decent wage. min wage is like 7 and change in my state, and that is an entirely useless wage because there is no way you are paying rent with that unless you are in public housing or something.

the annoying republican mentality is that they are all people with the potential to become Rockefellers if they just have that one stroke of genius, but the reality is that upwards mobility is very very limited in the US, and Sanders is just bringing that reality to the forefront.
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tremain07 posted...

And the people have spoken, "Fuck livable wages for people who don't have skills"

Pretty much. The message should be to make yourself worthwhile to society and acquire some useful skills that allow you to contribute like the majority of the population. No reason everyone else needs to subsidize your lack of ambition and laziness.
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Don't fucking quote me,Admiral, I despise your very being
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The Admiral posted...

tremain07 posted...

And the people have spoken, "Fuck livable wages for people who don't have skills"

Pretty much. The message should be to make yourself worthwhile to society and acquire some useful skills that allow you to contribute like the majority of the population. No reason everyone else needs to subsidize your lack of ambition and laziness.

People work their asses of for a shitty minimum wage.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Clad posted...

instead of the whiny social justice / identity politics bullshit they're clinging to

Seriously this.

The democrats were once a party of the people.

So were the Republicans. They flip flopped and now both parties are parties that would rather fuck everyone over than fight for them.
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ledbowman posted...

People work their asses of for a s***ty minimum wage.

So what? What they do can and will be easily replaced, wanting more for pushing or moving things is not how society works, be a doctor, be a fire fighter, be something that contributes to the books, if you can't, too bad, that's life, make something of yourself or get the fuck out of the way. The world barely owes them the wages they have now.
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Annihilated posted...

tremain07 posted...

I have, Sanders is so stupid he lost to fucking Ted Cruz in a debate on CNN of all places, Cruz destroyed all of his arguments and when an audience small business owner told Sanders that she can't nor should she be expected to provide health care for her employees because she can't afford it, Sanders got mad at her and told her she didn't deserve to have a business,then.

Holy shit, is this for real? Is there a youtube clip? I'd expect that kind of argument from a bottom tier shitposting leftist CE troll, but Bernie Sanders saying that? That's freaking bad. REALLY bad.

tremain07 posted...

Think about that, somebody trying to make it in this fucked up world, a small business owner, a person a republican does not give a shit about got told by somebody who was trying to lead the country she didn't deserve to achieve her dream because she has to carry her employees with her.

LMAO you have never met a republican.

Yep, there's a clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyZDbiJDNkg
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...

So were the Republicans. They flip flopped and now both parties are parties that would rather f*** everyone over than fight for them.

But they aren't the republicans were elected by the people but their strongest lobbyists and donations come from corporations and private areas, they're fighting for those people, money is power and they have lots of it, it's nice and all the general public gets to vote but in all honesty, they mean nothing, it's little more than an overrated ceremony.
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tremain07 posted...

ledbowman posted...

People work their asses of for a s***ty minimum wage.

So what? What they do can and will be easily replaced, wanting more for pushing or moving things is not how society works, be a doctor, be a fire fighter, be something that contributes to the books, if you can't, too bad, that's life, make something of yourself or get the fuck out of the way. The world barely owes them the wages they have now.

"if you werent born into a very fortunate situation then you deserve to die"
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Has tremain always been a shitposter? I can't keep up with all these names.
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Romulox28 posted...

tremain07 posted...

ledbowman posted...

People work their asses of for a s***ty minimum wage.

So what? What they do can and will be easily replaced, wanting more for pushing or moving things is not how society works, be a doctor, be a fire fighter, be something that contributes to the books, if you can't, too bad, that's life, make something of yourself or get the fuck out of the way. The world barely owes them the wages they have now.

"if you werent born into a very fortunate situation then you deserve to die"

keep on with these exaggerations and strawmen if you want to keep losing elections lmao
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Romulox28 posted...

"if you werent born into a very fortunate situation then you deserve to die"

Nobody "deserves" anything, it's just that if you weren't born into that world and didn't manage to break into part of that world, don't be surprised when the inevitable happens.
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Clad posted...

Romulox28 posted...

tremain07 posted...

ledbowman posted...

People work their asses of for a s***ty minimum wage.

So what? What they do can and will be easily replaced, wanting more for pushing or moving things is not how society works, be a doctor, be a fire fighter, be something that contributes to the books, if you can't, too bad, that's life, make something of yourself or get the fuck out of the way. The world barely owes them the wages they have now.

"if you werent born into a very fortunate situation then you deserve to die"

keep on with these exaggerations and strawmen if you want to keep losing elections lmao

explain
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Nobody "deserves" anything, it's just that if you weren't born into that world and didn't manage to break into part of that world, don't be surprised when the inevitable happens.

Ah, a great bastion of human progress...

You seem completely ignorant of the things this country has provided you.
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tremain07 posted...

ledbowman posted...

People work their asses of for a s***ty minimum wage.

So what? What they do can and will be easily replaced, wanting more for pushing or moving things is not how society works, be a doctor, be a fire fighter, be something that contributes to the books, if you can't, too bad, that's life, make something of yourself or get the fuck out of the way. The world barely owes them the wages they have now.

That's one way society can work. It's not the only way society can work.

Ancient societies basically just operated as do or die, without remotely any of the luxury of job choice or career aspirations that we have today. Modern society is not restricted to a singular winner-take-all mentality.

And the world doesn't owe anybody anything. The world has nothing to say about it. We do.
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tremain07 posted...

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

So were the Republicans. They flip flopped and now both parties are parties that would rather f*** everyone over than fight for them.

But they aren't the republicans were elected by the people but their strongest lobbyists and donations come from corporations and private areas, they're fighting for those people, money is power and they have lots of it, it's nice and all the general public gets to vote but in all honesty, they mean nothing, it's little more than an overrated ceremony.

That's nice and well, but at one point in time they actually did fight for the general public. Sometimes I feel like you just say things tremmie.
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The Admiral posted...

The message should be to make yourself worthwhile to society and acquire some useful skills that allow you to contribute like the majority of the population. No reason everyone else needs to subsidize your lack of ambition and laziness.

this this this
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Sometimes I feel like you just say things tremmie.

Don't call me that. And yes, sometimes I do just say things, I have alot of thoughts, mainly dark and cyncial ones including always asking the question "Why are you alive today?"
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Oh, so you're an edgelord. Got it.
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Romulox28 posted...

tremain07 posted...

ledbowman posted...

People work their asses of for a s***ty minimum wage.

So what? What they do can and will be easily replaced, wanting more for pushing or moving things is not how society works, be a doctor, be a fire fighter, be something that contributes to the books, if you can't, too bad, that's life, make something of yourself or get the fuck out of the way. The world barely owes them the wages they have now.

"if you werent born into a very fortunate situation then you deserve to die"

Yeah, that seems to be the gist of it.

I'm really starting to think I'd be better off killing myself at this point, there's just no hope or future for the lower class in this country.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Romulox28 posted...

tremain07 posted...

ledbowman posted...

People work their asses of for a s***ty minimum wage.

So what? What they do can and will be easily replaced, wanting more for pushing or moving things is not how society works, be a doctor, be a fire fighter, be something that contributes to the books, if you can't, too bad, that's life, make something of yourself or get the fuck out of the way. The world barely owes them the wages they have now.

"if you werent born into a very fortunate situation then you deserve to die"

Yeah, that seems to be the gist of it.

I'm really starting to think I'd be better off killing myself at this point, there's just no hope or future for the lower class in this country.

First off, P2E actually killed himself so I gotta say, please, don't fucking do it. Please, don't.
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https://www.vox.com/2017/6/20/15839452/georgia-special-election-results-ossoff-handel
Ossoff seems to have not staked out any substantive positions other than being vaguely anti-Trump.
Will the Democrats ever learn that's like fighting fire with one of those prank fire extinguishers?

The "I don't support a livable wage" sound clip was a doozy. At minimum, it's inarticulate.

But it's a big mistake to trot UBI out there like it's not even debatable. Climate change is not debatable. Trump's incompetence is not debatable. UBI and other forms of minimum wage are very much up for discussion. You shouldn't use the same rhetoric to describe all three.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Romulox28 posted...

tremain07 posted...

ledbowman posted...

People work their asses of for a s***ty minimum wage.

So what? What they do can and will be easily replaced, wanting more for pushing or moving things is not how society works, be a doctor, be a fire fighter, be something that contributes to the books, if you can't, too bad, that's life, make something of yourself or get the fuck out of the way. The world barely owes them the wages they have now.

"if you werent born into a very fortunate situation then you deserve to die"

Yeah, that seems to be the gist of it.

I'm really starting to think I'd be better off killing myself at this point, there's just no hope or future for the lower class in this country.

Yeah there is. There's lots of hope. You're just choosing to wallow in negativity. What's keeping you from gaining better skills? What is your situation? PM me if you prefer.
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Conservative: I would like to introduce policies that negatively affect minorities.

Liberal: Uhhh, no, don't do that, that's racist.

Conservative: OMG! Why are liberals always on about identity politics!?
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Clinton's speeches and debates primarily were focused on policy like this, so idk what people are going on about in this topic.

It's closer to the truth that people (on the right) saw Clinton as a symbol for identity politics/SJWism/etc, and then didn't listen to a word she spoke. On the left, replace identity politics/SJWism/etc with corporatism/neo-liberalism/etc...
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Why does every job deserve a living wage?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Why does every job deserve a living wage?

Does everyone deserve to live if they are working hard and contributing to society?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Why does every job deserve a living wage?

That's a good question, actually.

I've never looked into the reasoning behind establishing a living wage but I'm assuming it stems from an altruistic sentiment and some Keynesian economic theory.
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COVxy posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Why does every job deserve a living wage?

Does everyone deserve to live if they are working hard and contributing to society?

Furk no, dey shurd gert real jurbs like me. I got mine, now fuck all y'all.
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COVxy posted...

Clinton's speeches and debates primarily were focused on policy like this, so idk what people are going on about in this topic.

We've already been over this. Half those speeches were watched by a small amount of people. And the debates are easily forgotten. What most people saw from Clinton was campaign slogans like imwithher and ads attacking Trump.
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foreveraIone posted...

We've already been over this. Half those speeches were watched by a small amount of people. And the debates are easily forgotten. What most people saw from Clinton was campaign slogans like imwithher and ads attacking Trump.

Right, and those people are low-information voters. You can't revel in ignorance, it doesn't work that way.
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