Poll of the Day > We can all agree that white privilege is real, right?

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CountessRolab posted...

It is undeniable that your life is easier if you are part of the majority.
And before you attack affirmative action, it just levels the playing field.

it is deniable. it's also more or less un-provable and all i ever hear is anecdotal evidence for it.

whenever i hear examples of "white privilege" it's almost always rich privilege they talk about. or they talk about something negative that effects non-whites.
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The concept behind "White privilege" is real, but the perspective is poorly voiced and badly named.

It may be more appropriate to call this "majority bias". Case in point, a white person will hardly feel their "white privilege" in predominantly black/latino areas, or in foreign countries, where the same idea still applies.

At the same time, the people trying to raise attention to this, are doing so very badly, because it comes across as a bunch of finger-pointing and name-calling. For one thing, most people don't even really know what it even is (case in point, even TC had to explain it in detail by Post #10). Secondly, the whole argument is geared like white privilege is a "bad" thing. But no, white privilege is not bad, not having white privilege is bad--in a perfect world everyone would have "white privilege" (all minorities). If that doesn't make sense, that's because the name "white privilege" itself doesn't make sense. EVERYONE should feel enabled, unhindered, unpressured by their race--no bias for the majority. However, this has been dubbed "white privilege" and 'We don't like that people have it! Everything should suck for everyone!' It comes across accusatory and negative--pulling for change, instead of pushing.
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CountessRolab posted...

SmokeMassTree posted...

What privilege do we have that no other race has?

Taking it for granted that when you’re shopping alone, you probably won’t be followed or harassed.

Knowing that if you ask to speak to “the person in charge,” you’ll almost certainly be facing someone of your own race.

Being able to think about different social, political or professional options without asking whether someone of your race would be accepted or allowed to do what you want to do.

Assuming that if you buy a house in a nice neighborhood, your neighbors will be pleasant or neutral toward you.

Feeling welcomed and “normal” in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

What is white privilege? It’s the level of societal advantage that comes with being seen as the norm in America, automatically conferred irrespective of wealth, gender or other factors. It makes life smoother, but it’s something you would barely notice unless it were suddenly taken away — or unless it had never applied to you in the first place.

I've been followed in stores before

Not true, and racist af

We had a fucking black president named Barrack Husien Obama for 8 fucking years! Foh

Being white doesn't guarantee that.

I have social anxiety so I don't feel normal or welcomed anywhere.

Every example is anecdotal at best.

I asked what privilege white people have that other races don't, you unsurprisingly didn't name a single one.

Now let's discuss the actual privileges other races have; Quotas reserved in jobs, schools, and even housing. This means that someone more qualified will get turned away because of their skin color.

White privilege existed many years ago, sure. There is no white privilege today.
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I find it funny that so many of the people talking about 'white privilege' are usually fairly well-off city folk who could probably easily afford to throw away a smartphone and buy a new one on a whim and can gladly tick off the multitudes of evils that 'White America' has committed but could look at the Tiennaman square photo and draw a blank. You'd think people so obsessed with righting the sorts of wrongs they proclaim are happening would actually know something about them. Me? Personally most of the PoC I see are stay-at-home parents, medical workers (I work not too far from a hospital), or people I can practically smell the drugs off of. Congrats. I'm working myself into medical problems putting in extra hours as a cashier so I can afford to live while you live on your spouses paycheck, have clearly well-paying jobs based off the number of luxury items you are buying, or clearly squandered all your chances for drugs. White Privilege is SURE helping me out!
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Taking it for granted that when you’re shopping alone, you probably won’t be followed or harassed.

Course. Because I don't even consider doing the sort of stuff that would merit that. If they feel like following me, let them. I don't care. Heck, I actually kind of feel sorry since I know their boss may yell their ear off if they don't.

Knowing that if you ask to speak to “the person in charge,” you’ll almost certainly be facing someone of your own race.

Human? I wasn't aware we had lizard-people in positions of power yet. Or, you know, learn that this is how life is? Over half the staff of where I work is from India and that's not to mention the many other PoC there. You'd have to be pretty amazingly sheltered with your head up your rear to think this mattered.

Being able to think about different social, political or professional options without asking whether someone of your race would be accepted or allowed to do what you want to do.

If your race is forcing you to any sort of social, political, or professional position than it's not white people that's the problem. If someone is denying it to you based upon race you can take them to court.

Assuming that if you buy a house in a nice neighborhood, your neighbors will be pleasant or neutral toward you.

PHAHAHAHAHA! You're joking, right? I'm freaking scared of my neighbors. We've had drug busts, at least one shooting recently, and multiple other things. I wish I could afford to live in ANY nice neighborhood. But looks like I can't even consider it. White privilege in action people!

Feeling welcomed and “normal” in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

So because of your own paranoia white people have privilege?

What is white privilege? It’s the level of societal advantage that comes with being seen as the norm in America, automatically conferred irrespective of wealth, gender or other factors. It makes life smoother, but it’s something you would barely notice unless it were suddenly taken away — or unless it had never applied to you in the first place.

What is white privilege? People who still think racial relations are in the 1950's trying to pass their insecurities and hatred onto a generation that was previously one of the most color-blind but is now becoming resentful because some black college student with a smartphone their parent bought for them will gladly blog about how racist and horrible they are while they struggle to make ends meet in a constantly downsizing job.
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ImmortalityV posted...

99% of us have s*** lives compared to the elite.

Yup. Terms like white privilege are just another distraction pushed by the elite to keep us slinging mud at each other rather than getting angry at the 1%. Same thing as with the elite pushing the narrative about raising the minimum wage hurting the economy and drastically raising prices. It keeps those making 15 an hour slinging mud at those making 9 an hour instead of getting pissed off about the CEO taking home more than enough to where they could afford to drag their employees out of poverty.

No need to keep being a liberal shill TC

Unbridled9 posted...

Assuming that if you buy a house in a nice neighborhood, your neighbors will be pleasant or neutral toward you.

There was actually a study done that showed white people are the most tolerant of having neighbors of a different ethnicity. Blacks and Arabs were the least tolerant. I'll find it and post it

Hm, Pretty damn poor, No job, don't have things going my way......Yep, I'm pretty privileged....
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Kaguya_Kimimaro posted...

Hm, Pretty damn poor, No job, don't have things going my way......Yep, I'm pretty privileged....

Would be worse if you were a racial minority.
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Remember when Balor didn't post for a while?

Good times.
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. I get my white privilege check in the mail every other week just like everyone else.

Troll_Police_ posted...

Remember when Balor didn't post for a while?

Good times.

Right? Well, technically he did. Just on another account. I forget the name of it but he outed himself a while ago.
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Would bringing back desegregation busing help level the field even more?
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JamaalCharles39 posted...

Would bringing back desegregation busing help level the field even more?

If I get my own astroid, I'm for it.
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Smarkil posted...

I don't know what you guys are talking about. I get my white privilege check in the mail every other week just like everyone else.

Probably forgot to renew his membership. Rookie mistake

there is pros and cons to all the races, so in some ways, yes, in others, no.
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I think people are definitely treated differently by race. You can even tell by the terms we use. If you hear someone use the term ghetto to describe someone, most people expect someone who is black or latino to be the person spoken about. If you hear someone speak in the same manner about a white person the term white/trailer trash is used.

Also white people are more varied in this country too. Whether they're held back through their own families' traditions or if their background doesn't attract the particular market, there are quite a few areas where you see a large amount of people from certain ethnic backgrounds and the rest are either minority or damn near nonexistent.

You'll see a lot of diversity in the NFL and baseball , but a lot of the stars in the NBA are black, NHL and other things like Nascar and a lot of skating and competitions based on ice and water are filled with white guys.

Then you have industries like video games, various electronic, modeling agencies, and others where the demographic does not have a lot of variation.
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Can someone please explain to me what ADVANTAGES there are if you're a straight white male?

I had a 4.5 GPA in high school, ranked in the top 2% of my class of 400, and I got 0 scholarships in Shitcago, the ultra liberal city. Meanwhile, my friend, a gay black male, has parents who already had a lot of money, and he wrote an essay playing the victim card of race and homosexuality (nobody picked on him unfairly to the best of my knowledge and had quite a lot of friends) and he gets a full ride scholarship to somewhere in California. He's a cool fun guy, but he was about as smart as a sack of wet marbles. Did I mention his parents had money?

So please, explain to me what white privilege is. I'd love to cash in.

Shit topic is shit.

EDIT: Before anyone calls me out for calling Chicago liberal, don't assume I'm conservative. I'm a (mostly) liberal guy who's tired of the fucking handouts to people who don't know what work is. I hate all that SJW label snowflaky shit.
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CountessRolab posted...

Kaguya_Kimimaro posted...

Hm, Pretty damn poor, No job, don't have things going my way......Yep, I'm pretty privileged....

Would be worse if you were a racial minority.

It wouldn't though, financial status comes in to play loooooong before race, racism is basically used to settle ties after all other circumstances are considered (and if you're white then you were ruled out earlier by quotas).
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@RedPixel I'd say that white privilege has more social advantages than anything despite what you see on the internet, that can potentially effect education and careers depending on where you're from.

In your situation, there's a lot that could have impacted those results. Your major, his well off parents' connections, his major, location (a gay black guy getting in for an unknown degree in California vs a white guy and his unknown degree in Chicago), there maybe something that he has for his field, and you might be lacking something in yours.
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KStateKing17 posted...

@RedPixel I'd say that white privilege has more social advantages than anything despite what you see on the internet, that can potentially effect education and careers depending on where you're from.

In your situation, there's a lot that could have impacted those results. Your major, his well off parents' connections, his major, location (a gay black guy getting in for an unknown degree in California vs a white guy and his unknown degree in Chicago), there maybe something that he has for his field, and you might be lacking something in yours.

Aboriginals get free textbooks at college here.
Again, how do i cash in on my white privilege?
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It's hardly relevant if you're rich. You have the moneys, you just get what you want.

If you're poor things get more complicated. A poor white person has it similarily shitty to a poor black person in general, but the stigma you face as a poor black person is worse. A poor white person has a far better chance at blending into the middle class than a poor black person.

All that said, that only discusses white vs black. I would not say that white people are priviledged over Asians and perhaps not even Hispanics. It's more a problem with stigma against black people from poor neighborhoods than a problem with white supremacy.
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SinisterSlay posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

RedPixel I'd say that white privilege has more social advantages than anything despite what you see on the internet, that can potentially effect education and careers depending on where you're from.

In your situation, there's a lot that could have impacted those results. Your major, his well off parents' connections, his major, location (a gay black guy getting in for an unknown degree in California vs a white guy and his unknown degree in Chicago), there maybe something that he has for his field, and you might be lacking something in yours.

Aboriginals get free textbooks at college here.
Again, how do i cash in on my white privilege?

Australia? How much of an impact has this racism stuff in the US in other countries? If the aborigines are in a similar situation to Native Americans then I honestly can't say I'd argue against them.
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Such a stupid concept
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KStateKing17 posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

RedPixel I'd say that white privilege has more social advantages than anything despite what you see on the internet, that can potentially effect education and careers depending on where you're from.

In your situation, there's a lot that could have impacted those results. Your major, his well off parents' connections, his major, location (a gay black guy getting in for an unknown degree in California vs a white guy and his unknown degree in Chicago), there maybe something that he has for his field, and you might be lacking something in yours.

Aboriginals get free textbooks at college here.
Again, how do i cash in on my white privilege?

Australia? How much of an impact has this racism stuff in the US in other countries? If the aborigines are in a similar situation to Native Americans then I honestly can't say I'd argue against them.

Canada.
Also white is the minority here in Winnipeg. So where is my privilege damnit?
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I'm gonna put this to the test today.

I'm going to order a pizza, when I go to pick it up and they ask me to pay for it I'm going to say "no thanks, I'm white so I have privilege"

Let's see how it goes
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If white privilege exists, then so does black privilege.

I personally don't think either is a real thing in the current US.. The only color that matters here is green.
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OhhhJa posted...

ImmortalityV posted...

99% of us have s*** lives compared to the elite.

Yup. Terms like white privilege are just another distraction pushed by the elite to keep us slinging mud at each other rather than getting angry at the 1%. Same thing as with the elite pushing the narrative about raising the minimum wage hurting the economy and drastically raising prices. It keeps those making 15 an hour slinging mud at those making 9 an hour instead of getting pissed off about the CEO taking home more than enough to where they could afford to drag their employees out of poverty.

No need to keep being a liberal shill TC

So true. I am not arguing racism, sexism,etc do not exist it is just as you say that they are exploited to divert focus off of class warfare.
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SinisterSlay posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

RedPixel I'd say that white privilege has more social advantages than anything despite what you see on the internet, that can potentially effect education and careers depending on where you're from.

In your situation, there's a lot that could have impacted those results. Your major, his well off parents' connections, his major, location (a gay black guy getting in for an unknown degree in California vs a white guy and his unknown degree in Chicago), there maybe something that he has for his field, and you might be lacking something in yours.

Aboriginals get free textbooks at college here.
Again, how do i cash in on my white privilege?

Australia? How much of an impact has this racism stuff in the US in other countries? If the aborigines are in a similar situation to Native Americans then I honestly can't say I'd argue against them.

Canada.
Also white is the minority here in Winnipeg. So where is my privilege damnit?

I'd say in your case it isn't the same if you're a minority. In fact you could say you could even argue that you're living in a flipped version of what the minorities here speak of. White people in the US are the majority so obviously the could not apply to you. But I still believe it has more of a social impact rather than financial, but being born white has certain benefits when it comes to services based on looks due to people being more attractive to those with similar backgrounds and features, which is why one may argue about how a lot of CEOs and such look the same.

When it comes to a lot of other things though, including jobs, you do have other factors like nepotism, wage class, and positions that favor sex that determines more than skin tone.
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SinisterSlay posted...

Canada.
Also white is the minority here in Winnipeg. So where is my privilege damnit?

Winnipeg is 67% white dude, and only 11% aboriginal. Where I live is 9% aboriginal. You need to get real about that.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

Canada.
Also white is the minority here in Winnipeg. So where is my privilege damnit?

Winnipeg is 67% white dude, and only 11% aboriginal.

Yeah no. Dunno where you got those stats from.
Try 40% aboriginal. We are just behind Saskatchewan.
Source: mpi
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SinisterSlay posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

Canada.
Also white is the minority here in Winnipeg. So where is my privilege damnit?

Winnipeg is 67% white dude, and only 11% aboriginal.

Yeah no. Dunno where you got those stats from.
Try 40% aboriginal. We are just behind Saskatchewan.
Source: mpi

even if it were 40%, Manitoba does not have many visible minorities, so you're not the minority...

but it is 11%

http://winnipeg.ca/cao/pdfs/2011Aboriginal_Persons_Highlights_National_Household_Survey.pdf

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/demo27r-eng.htm

Stats Canada. Winnipeg population 686040, Aboriginal population 76155. 11.1%
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxNMJ39FfyI
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Doctor Foxx posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

Canada.
Also white is the minority here in Winnipeg. So where is my privilege damnit?

Winnipeg is 67% white dude, and only 11% aboriginal.

Yeah no. Dunno where you got those stats from.
Try 40% aboriginal. We are just behind Saskatchewan.
Source: mpi

even if it were 40%, Manitoba does not have many visible minorities, so you're not the minority...

but it is 11%

http://winnipeg.ca/cao/pdfs/2011Aboriginal_Persons_Highlights_National_Household_Survey.pdf

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/demo27r-eng.htm

Stats Canada. Winnipeg population 686040, Aboriginal population 76155. 11.1%

If correct, 11% of the population are committing almost every crime, with the occasional philipino gang fight.
Not painting a nice picture...
So how do i get free books, cheap education, and extra tax breaks? Why is the color of my skin mean i have to pay more? Am i a lessor race now?
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SinisterSlay posted...

If correct, 11% of the population are committing almost every crime, with the occasional philipino gang fight.
Not painting a nice picture...

That's your takeaway from it? Sheesh.

I can't believe you thought you were a white minority in Winnipeg. That's beyond ridiculous.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

If correct, 11% of the population are committing almost every crime, with the occasional philipino gang fight.
Not painting a nice picture...

That's your takeaway from it? Sheesh.

I can't believe you thought you were a white minority in Winnipeg. That's beyond ridiculous.

Have you been here?
The only white guy near me immigrated from America lol.
I live in a condo with old white people surrounded by Indians weirdly. So many doctors.... Lol
It's definitely a healthy mosaic here.
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SinisterSlay posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

SinisterSlay posted...

If correct, 11% of the population are committing almost every crime, with the occasional philipino gang fight.
Not painting a nice picture...

That's your takeaway from it? Sheesh.

I can't believe you thought you were a white minority in Winnipeg. That's beyond ridiculous.

Have you been here?
The only white guy near me immigrated from America lol.
I live in a condo with old white people surrounded by Indians weirdly. So many doctors.... Lol
It's definitely a healthy mosaic here.

Yes. It does have some minorities, but it's nothing like Vancouver/Toronto. Even Edmonton has more ethnic diversity than Winnipeg and I would never think of myself as a minority, even in the immigrant-heavy neighborhoods I have lived in.
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Native Americans were actually living in Canada first, which makes them the majority

If anything we should try dealing with native privilege
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Blighboy posted...

Native Americans were actually living in Canada first, which makes them the majority

If anything we should try dealing with native privilege

They were until colonial genocide. Now they're displaced populations disproportionately impacted by poverty and lack of resources.

There were still residential schools in Canada 21 years ago. They systemically took children from their families, forced them to reject their culture and history, and sent them to places where they were abused and even killed, with many dead children left in unmarked mass graves.

you don't just bounce back from that kind of shit in 2 decades.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Blighboy posted...

Native Americans were actually living in Canada first, which makes them the majority

If anything we should try dealing with native privilege

They were until colonial genocide. Now they're displaced populations disproportionately impacted by poverty and lack of resources.

There were still residential schools in Canada 21 years ago. They systemically took children from their families, forced them to reject their culture and history, and sent them to places where they were abused and even killed, with many dead children left in unmarked mass graves.

you don't just bounce back from that kind of shit in 2 decades.

Yeah that's a terrible black mark in our history. The program was probably meant to do good, but it made everything so much worse. Very horrible.
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Krow_Incarnate posted...

Absolutely, but I sure as hell don't feel guilty about it.

Especially not when affirmative action is just as real.

Good

White guilt is counter productive
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SinisterSlay posted...

Yeah that's a terrible black mark in our history. The program was probably meant to do good, but it made everything so much worse. Very horrible.

The residential school program was meant to convert Aboriginal populations to Christianity, and kill off all remnants of their religions, customs, and cultures. It was forceful assimilation paid for and carried out by the government and supported by churches. If that's well-intentioned, well... that may be some white privilege talking

The black mark is there in our history and more black marks remain with the current treatment of Indigenous populations and attitudes towards them. Canadians are largely still terribly racist and hateful towards those groups.

For anyone not familiar with Residential Schools:

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/residential-schools/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/a-history-of-residential-schools-in-canada-1.702280

Aboriginal children were forcibly taken from their homes and families and brought to institutional religious schools. They were meant to be converted to Christianity. Children were given insufficient education that was useless in adulthood, were forced to provide labor to operate the schools, were not properly fed or given adequate medical care, were experimented on without consent, were abused (physically, emotionally, and sexually) on a routine basis, and many children ended up missing or dead. This went on for over 100 years with the consent--and funding--of the Canadian government. It's beyond messed up, and effects from this will be felt for more generations to come.

Thanks Canada!
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Affirmative action is moronic and white male privilege is a stereotype. It's the worst part of the left.

I'd love to be Asian, though. You get coddled and you're already dispositioned to be successful. Somehow white guys are the big bad wolf at every step.

Affirmative action should only be for poor people as a blanket.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

The residential school program was meant to convert Aboriginal populations to Christianity, and kill off all remnants of their religions, customs, and cultures. It was forceful assimilation paid for and carried out by the government and supported by churches. If that's well-intentioned, well... that may be some white privilege talking

I seriously doubt the original program was penned as an evil act.
It turned out to be quite evil however.
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SinisterSlay posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

The residential school program was meant to convert Aboriginal populations to Christianity, and kill off all remnants of their religions, customs, and cultures. It was forceful assimilation paid for and carried out by the government and supported by churches. If that's well-intentioned, well... that may be some white privilege talking

I seriously doubt the original program was penned as an evil act.
It turned out to be quite evil however.

It was intended, by immigrants, to wipe out all kinds of indigenous cultures. In the very lands they lived in. That possibly doesn't seem evil if you're part of the mainstream culture (white eurocentric Christian), and it's incredibly insidious if you're not.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I would not argue that these intentions were good. This was a major case of "white Christians know best and other cultures need to conform."
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CountessRolab posted...

SmokeMassTree posted...

What privilege do we have that no other race has?

Taking it for granted that when you’re shopping alone, you probably won’t be followed or harassed.

Knowing that if you ask to speak to “the person in charge,” you’ll almost certainly be facing someone of your own race.

Being able to think about different social, political or professional options without asking whether someone of your race would be accepted or allowed to do what you want to do.

Assuming that if you buy a house in a nice neighborhood, your neighbors will be pleasant or neutral toward you.

Feeling welcomed and “normal” in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

What is white privilege? It’s the level of societal advantage that comes with being seen as the norm in America, automatically conferred irrespective of wealth, gender or other factors. It makes life smoother, but it’s something you would barely notice unless it were suddenly taken away — or unless it had never applied to you in the first place.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/01/16/white-privilege-explained/

Sorry, I live in a Midwest US city. Mayor is Black. City Council is Black. Big events are Black -themed. When I shop, I'm usually the only White in the store. Police Chief and half of police officers are Black. Utility workers are Black. Store clerks are Black. 75% of my neighbors are Black.

White Privilege? A myth, unless I'm okay with living in a small town, far from jobs, stores, universities and colleges, and theaters. .
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dancer62 posted...

CountessRolab posted...

SmokeMassTree posted...

What privilege do we have that no other race has?

Taking it for granted that when you’re shopping alone, you probably won’t be followed or harassed.

Knowing that if you ask to speak to “the person in charge,” you’ll almost certainly be facing someone of your own race.

Being able to think about different social, political or professional options without asking whether someone of your race would be accepted or allowed to do what you want to do.

Assuming that if you buy a house in a nice neighborhood, your neighbors will be pleasant or neutral toward you.

Feeling welcomed and “normal” in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

What is white privilege? It’s the level of societal advantage that comes with being seen as the norm in America, automatically conferred irrespective of wealth, gender or other factors. It makes life smoother, but it’s something you would barely notice unless it were suddenly taken away — or unless it had never applied to you in the first place.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/01/16/white-privilege-explained/

Sorry, I live in a Midwest US city. Mayor is Black. City Council is Black. Big events are Black -themed. When I shop, I'm usually the only White in the store. Police Chief and half of police officers are Black. Utility workers are Black. Store clerks are Black. 75% of my neighbors are Black.

White Privilege? A myth, unless I'm okay with living in a small town, far from jobs, stores, universities and colleges, and theaters. .

Shhh... don't challenge his sheltered, white suburban ideals

CountessRolab posted...

By posting that gif in your topic you're a proven troll now, you know that?
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Yay, post #100!
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