Current Events > lol why do people believe hitler invented concentration camps

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the fucking british literally invented that shit for the boere in south africa where they would come to farms kidnap the women and children burn the land down and then put them in camps where they forced them to work raped them and murdered them if they refused slavery but i mean nobody cares cuz they were whites wtf
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The only thing Hitler invented was atheism
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Antifar posted...

The only thing Hitler invented was atheism

no he invented that cool haircut too
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I've never heard anyone say Hitler invented concentration camps. If anything, people just automatically think of Hitler when the subject comes up.
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I've never heard anyone claim he invented them, just condemned him for his involvement.
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Hitler didn't invent concentration camps. Hitler invented evil.
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KStateKing17 posted...

I've never heard anyone claim he invented them, just condemned him for his involvement.

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Thompson posted...

Hitler didn't invent concentration camps. Hitler invented evil.

That was Cain, fam.
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LordRazziel posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

I've never heard anyone claim he invented them, just condemned him for his involvement.

well enough people seem to think so that google needs to stipulate he wasnt the first check it
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Linctagon7 posted...

the fucking british literally invented that shit for the boere in south africa where they would come to farms kidnap the women and children burn the land down and then put them in camps where they forced them to work raped them and murdered them if they refused slavery but i mean nobody cares cuz they were whites wtf

I think you care too much about bullshit that isn't true, that's the problem.
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Funkdamental posted...

Linctagon7 posted...

the fucking british literally invented that shit for the boere in south africa where they would come to farms kidnap the women and children burn the land down and then put them in camps where they forced them to work raped them and murdered them if they refused slavery but i mean nobody cares cuz they were whites wtf

I think you care too much about bullshit that isn't true, that's the problem.

seriously sonny do u even know shit?
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nobody ever said he invented them.

nice bullshit topic to start a flame war though.

gj, troll.
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That is one hell of a run-on sentence
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E32005 posted...

nobody ever said he invented them.

nice bullshit topic to start a flame war though.

gj, troll.

https://owlcation.com/humanities/Conditions-In-Concentration-Camps

"Theodore Eiche created the concentration camp system"

there are people who believe concentration camps come from nazis. there goes your bullshit statement
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Who ever said he invented them? I've never seen that one before.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Who ever said he invented them? I've never seen that one before.

a quick google search just now showed MANY people who are convinced the nazis created concentration camps u can do it for urself. who was the boss of the nazis? hitler
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Linctagon7 posted...

Funkdamental posted...

Linctagon7 posted...

the fucking british literally invented that shit for the boere in south africa where they would come to farms kidnap the women and children burn the land down and then put them in camps where they forced them to work raped them and murdered them if they refused slavery but i mean nobody cares cuz they were whites wtf

I think you care too much about bullshit that isn't true, that's the problem.

seriously sonny do u even know shit?

Yes, I know a little something about the camps. What you've latched onto is the emotive term "concentration camp" and it's conjured up visions of Nazi-style barbed wire, watchtowers and searchlights -- although the photographs that survive for some of the camps (e.g. Norvalspont, Brandfort, Green Point, Bloemfontein and Barberton) indicate that they lacked perimeter fences. There was a fenced-off enclosure at Bloemfontein camp, nicknamed "the birdcage", but this was reserved for those who kept breaking the camp regulations.

Slavery? The food situation was alleivated somewhat from March 1901, when male camp residents were allowed to work outside the camps -- because it meant paid employment, and they could supplement their rations with extra food bought from the camp shops.

There was no deliberate policy of starvation or harsh conditions. Conditions in the camps were largely a consequence of incompetence, lack of planning and adequate oversight, and the lumbering slowness of Victorian/Edwardian British military bureaucracy to respond to unprecedented problems that arose from managing such installations for so many civilians. At root, the problem was a basic lack of camp organization. It's significant that when administration of the camps was transferred from military to civil authorities in November 1901, it led to a radical improvement in conditions inside the camps; the monthly mortality rate dropped from 3,205 in October 1901 to 402 in March 1902, 298 in April 1902 and 196 in May 1902. In other words: yes, British authorities should be held accountable for the peak death rates of August-October 1901, but they were also responsible for stopping them too.

At Bloemfontein a second camp, Camp B, was established to the west of the existing camp in April 1901, and here conditions were much better: the camp was sheltered from the wind, drainage was good, and tents were placed 36.5 metres apart. Families were transferred to another new camp at Norvalspont in November 1900 to alleviate the water shortage. As I've pointed out earlier, once the camps were transferred from military to civil administration in November 1901, conditions improved radically. Since April 1901 every camp had had its own school set up by the British administration, and usually its own church council.

[Cont...]
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Oh boy, we've got a bite now
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i mean leave empirical citations at the end of your next post and we gucci boi
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[Cont...]

The real killer in the camps was not starvation, but disease. This was the result of:

(a) locations having been chosen for the location of some of the camps without due regard to the local conditions -- at Standerton and Brandfort, for instance, the soil became a soggy morass in the rainy season;

(b) difficulty in providing enough clean water -- at Bloemfontein, camp water was supplied from four boreholes and two dams, plus water pumped by the town council from the nearby Modder River, but the hand-pumps were inadequate;

(c) shortage of suitable accommodation, which led to overcrowding -- because corrugated iron huts cost around £500 to erect, the camp administration relied upon the supply of tents from the army, and these weren't always forthcoming in numbers to meet the demand; so for much of the time, people had to sleep on average six to a tent;

(d) poor organization of sanitary facilities -- even where the number of latrines was adequate, buckets of waste were often not removed quickly enough from latrine areas; at Bloemfontein the town council was paid £125 a month to perform this service but failed to carry it out;

(e) insufficient trained medical staff to cope with epidemics -- in the twelve months between February 1901 and February 1902 the camps in the Transvaal lost 47 out of 94 doctors and 85 out of 217 nurses.

What sent the death rate in the camps soaring so high between August and October 1901 was largely infant and child mortality, and the main cause was an epidemic of measles, accounting for nearly 43% of all deaths by disease. Next came pneumonia and bronchitis (18%) and diarrhoea and dysentery (13%). This was not death by deliberate starvation.

My sources:

-- Elizabeth van Heyningen, "British doctors versus Boer women: clash of medical cultures"
-- Fransjohan Pretorius, "The fate of the Boer women and children"
-- Elria Wessels, "A cage without bars: the concentration camp in Bloemfontein"
in Scorched Earth, ed. Fransjohan Pretorius, published by Human & Rousseau, Cape Town, 2001. (Pretorius: Professor of History at the University of Pretoria.)
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Oh boy, we've got a bite now

wtf are u saying tho
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Is this a new form of trolling, or just a case of some one who's been on the internet so long he's run out of things to argue about? It's like you're trying to prove some people believe stupid shit, and expecting other people who don't believe that stupid shit to defend it?

Go outside.

Linctagon7 posted...

E32005 posted...

nobody ever said he invented them.

nice bullshit topic to start a flame war though.

gj, troll.

https://owlcation.com/humanities/Conditions-In-Concentration-Camps

"Theodore Eiche created the concentration camp system"

there are people who believe concentration camps come from nazis. there goes your bullshit statement

Or you could read that as saying that he created the German concentration camp system, which is what the article was about. That's about akin to an article talking about a country's legal system, mentioning someone that had a profound role in creating it, and then being upset for not mentioning Hammurabi.

Sure, taken by itself, that single sentence is misleading, but in the context of the article it's clearly meant to reference his role in creating the German concentration camp system.

Yes, I know, feeding the troll.
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Oh, and I'd point out that the Spanish beat the British to the punch. There were Spanish concentration camps in Cuba before there were British concentration camps in southern Africa.
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That dude just fucking crushed the TC.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Oh boy, we've got a bite now

It's a big one!
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dang, it's like just about everything linctagon believes is wrong or something. crazy
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Funkdamental posted...

[Cont...]

The real killer in the camps was not starvation, but disease. This was the result of:

(a) locations having been chosen for the location of some of the camps without due regard to the local conditions -- at Standerton and Brandfort, for instance, the soil became a soggy morass in the rainy season;

(b) difficulty in providing enough clean water -- at Bloemfontein, camp water was supplied from four boreholes and two dams, plus water pumped by the town council from the nearby Modder River, but the hand-pumps were inadequate;

(c) shortage of suitable accommodation, which led to overcrowding -- because corrugated iron huts cost around £500 to erect, the camp administration relied upon the supply of tents from the army, and these weren't always forthcoming in numbers to meet the demand; so for much of the time, people had to sleep on average six to a tent;

(d) poor organization of sanitary facilities -- even where the number of latrines was adequate, buckets of waste were often not removed quickly enough from latrine areas; at Bloemfontein the town council was paid £125 a month to perform this service but failed to carry it out;

(e) insufficient trained medical staff to cope with epidemics -- in the twelve months between February 1901 and February 1902 the camps in the Transvaal lost 47 out of 94 doctors and 85 out of 217 nurses.

What sent the death rate in the camps soaring so high between August and October 1901 was largely infant and child mortality, and the main cause was an epidemic of measles, accounting for nearly 43% of all deaths by disease. Next came pneumonia and bronchitis (18%) and diarrhoea and dysentery (13%). This was not death by deliberate starvation.

My sources:

-- Elizabeth van Heyningen, "British doctors versus Boer women: clash of medical cultures"
-- Fransjohan Pretorius, "The fate of the Boer women and children"
-- Elria Wessels, "A cage without bars: the concentration camp in Bloemfontein"
in Scorched Earth, ed. Fransjohan Pretorius, published by Human & Rousseau, Cape Town, 2001. (Pretorius: Professor of History at the University of Pretoria.)

http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/women-children-white-concentration-camps-during-anglo-boer-war-1900-1902

hue
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For one thing, I've never heard anyone ever argue that Hitler invented concentration camps.

For another, I think you're plain wrong about the British inventing it during the Boer war. I mean, according to this there were much earlier instances, one of them being for Native Americans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment

In other words, you could argue the Americans invented it.
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Didn't the Babylonians also do this to the Jews.
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so now u see the truth of the situation any person can claim reperations and special treaent from anyone for things that happened in the past to their ancestors ayyyyy lmao
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Linctagon7 posted...

http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/women-children-white-concentration-camps-during-anglo-boer-war-1900-1902

hue

Nothing there that I didn't already know, and nothing that stands in contradiction to the essentials of what I posted. "Hue" is not an argument.

I'll tell you what's funny, though: I can't see where the article says that camp residents were forced to work and were raped and murdered if they refused.

By the way...

Lizzie van Zyl's case may not be quite as straightforward as it seems and the details are somewhat murky. It appears that according to some reports, Lizzie's mother initially removed her from the camp hospital following a bout of typhoid and people in neighbouring tents became concerned that she was not feeding her daughter. Roughly a third of all children under 15 who died in Lizzie's camp, Bloemfontein, in the spring of 1901 died of gastrointestinal diseases such as dysentery, diarrhoea and gastroenteritis, and any of these may also have contributed to Lizzie's emaciated state.

I'd also point out that although the article blames Lizzie's emaciated state on her being placed on the lowest scale of rations, Lizzie died on May 9, 1901; and the article itself says that the two-tier scale of rations in the Orange River Colony camps (such as Bloemfontein) ended two months earlier, on March 6.

And the difference between the two scales had not been big. Hobhouse herself recorded (in her book The Brunt of the War, and Where it Fell) that in Bloemfontein in January 1901, "refugees" received each day 1/2 pound of fresh meat, 1/2 pounds of flour, rice or potatoes, 1 1/2 ounces of coffee, 3 ounces of sugar, 1 ounce of salt and one-twelfth of a tin of condensed milk. "Undesirables" received each day 1/2 pound of fresh meat, 1/2 of flour or rice, 1/2 ounce of coffee, 3 ounces of sugar, 1 ounce of salt and one-eighteenth of a tin of condensed milk. In other words, the only difference for those on the lower ration scale was the lack of potatoes, 1 ounce of coffee and a smaller amount of condensed milk.
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ChouBF posted...

Is this a new form of trolling, or just a case of some one who's been on the internet so long he's run out of things to argue about? It's like you're trying to prove some people believe stupid shit, and expecting other people who don't believe that stupid shit to defend it?

Go outside.

TC's a hardcore pro-apartheid shitposter.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

That is one hell of a run-on sentence

Well, you can't expect much from someone who unironically thinks the Apartheid was a good thing
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RebelElite791 posted...

TC's a hardcore pro-apartheid shitposter.

chill02 posted...

Well, you can't expect much from someone who unironically thinks the Apartheid was a good thing

Wtf. I guess I need to change his tag from Russia shill

Axiom posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

TC's a hardcore pro-apartheid shitposter.

chill02 posted...

Well, you can't expect much from someone who unironically thinks the Apartheid was a good thing

Wtf. I guess I need to change his tag from Russia shill

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/669289-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/64755018?page=2
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RebelElite791 posted...

Axiom posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

TC's a hardcore pro-apartheid shitposter.

chill02 posted...

Well, you can't expect much from someone who unironically thinks the Apartheid was a good thing

Wtf. I guess I need to change his tag from Russia shill

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/669289-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/64755018?page=2

Holy fuck. It's the apartheid version of "Blacks were happier as slaves"

On a side-note lol at that being on a Call of Duty board

Axiom posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Axiom posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

TC's a hardcore pro-apartheid shitposter.

chill02 posted...

Well, you can't expect much from someone who unironically thinks the Apartheid was a good thing

Wtf. I guess I need to change his tag from Russia shill

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/669289-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/64755018?page=2

Holy fuck. It's the apartheid version of "Blacks were happier as slaves"

There was another post in that topic too (he had that link in his sig after I kept posting it) where he was like "The South Africa flag is my flag, the apartheid flag, blah blah so proud of it blah blah" guess it got deleted

yeah he's horrible.
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weird thread

Yeah, I've already treated him with more seriousness than he deserves, but my charity work is finished.
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Well at least he can still get credit for inventing that awesome 'stache!



...crap.
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