Current Events > Michelle Carter GUILTY of involuntary manslaughter for suicide test case.

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Fuck her. I'm so glad she got convicted.

The dude was actually thinking about not killing himself but she continually pressured him to do it.

As a person who used to have suicidal thoughts, I can't imagine what it would be like if someone that I cared about had encouraged me to kill myself.

Like how fucked is that? Dude probably loved his girlfriend. Reached out to her, clearly a cry for help. Instead she's like don't be a fucking pussy and do it.
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darkjedilink posted...

It's very easy to be upset, actually. A suicidal person commits suicide, and someone else gets put in prison for it?

That's fucked-up.

Have you read the texts? I'm not gonna post a link to them but it's crystal clear she pushed him to do it.
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Oh and guys, stop feeding the troll for fucks sake
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shockthemonkey posted...

Brain_Explodes posted...

*snip*

You ever heard of context?

That's the context I'm providing. I don't intend this to be compared to what she had done. It's just a little food for thought for people to think about what they say online. I don't judge the people who do these things or the people on the receiving end. I just want people to think about what they say online to a stranger.
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For anyone saying "he would have done it anyway", hasn't read the texts. He was seriously doubting himself, and she pushed him, here's some examples (spoiler tags for anyone who doesn't want to read them):

Roy: "Another day wouldn't hurt"
Carter: "You can't keep pushing it off, tho, that's all you keep doing"

Carter: "You're gonna have to prove me wrong because I just don't think you really want this. You just keeps pushing it off to another night and say you'll do it but you never do"

Carter: "SEE THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. YOU KEEP PUSHING IT OFF! You just said you were gonna do it tonight and now you're saying eventually. . . ."

Carter: "But I bet you're gonna be like 'oh, it didn't work because I didn't tape the tube right or something like that' . . . I bet you're gonna say an excuse like that"

Carter: "Do you have the generator?"
Roy: "not yet lol"
Carter: "WELL WHEN ARE YOU GETTING IT"

Carter: "So I guess you aren't gonna do it then, all that for nothing"
Carter: "I'm just confused like you were so ready and determined"
Roy: "I am gonna eventually"
Roy: "I really don't know what I'm waiting for. . but I have everything lined up"
Carter: "No, you're not, Conrad. Last night was it. You keep pushing it off and you say you'll do it but u never do. Its always gonna be that way if u don't take action"
Carter: "Do u wanna do it now?"
Roy: "Is it too late?"
Roy: "Idkk it's already light outside"
Roy: I'm gonna go back to sleep, love you I'll text you tomorrow"
Carter: "No? Its probably the best time now because everyone's sleeping. Just go somewhere in your truck. And no one's really out right now because it's an awkward time"
Carter: "If u don't do it now you're never gonna do it"
Carter: "And u can say you'll do it tomorrow but you probably won't"

And also the fact that during the suicide, they were on the phone together and he bailed from the car because he was scared. She then talked him into getting back into the car. She was clearly at fault for this.
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markconigliaro posted...

For anyone saying "he would have done it anyway", hasn't read the texts. He was seriously doubting himself, and she pushed him, here's some examples (spoiler tags for anyone who doesn't want to read them):

Roy: "Another day wouldn't hurt"
Carter: "You can't keep pushing it off, tho, that's all you keep doing"

Carter: "You're gonna have to prove me wrong because I just don't think you really want this. You just keeps pushing it off to another night and say you'll do it but you never do"

Carter: "SEE THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. YOU KEEP PUSHING IT OFF! You just said you were gonna do it tonight and now you're saying eventually. . . ."

Carter: "But I bet you're gonna be like 'oh, it didn't work because I didn't tape the tube right or something like that' . . . I bet you're gonna say an excuse like that"

Carter: "Do you have the generator?"
Roy: "not yet lol"
Carter: "WELL WHEN ARE YOU GETTING IT"

Carter: "So I guess you aren't gonna do it then, all that for nothing"
Carter: "I'm just confused like you were so ready and determined"
Roy: "I am gonna eventually"
Roy: "I really don't know what I'm waiting for. . but I have everything lined up"
Carter: "No, you're not, Conrad. Last night was it. You keep pushing it off and you say you'll do it but u never do. Its always gonna be that way if u don't take action"
Carter: "Do u wanna do it now?"
Roy: "Is it too late?"
Roy: "Idkk it's already light outside"
Roy: I'm gonna go back to sleep, love you I'll text you tomorrow"
Carter: "No? Its probably the best time now because everyone's sleeping. Just go somewhere in your truck. And no one's really out right now because it's an awkward time"
Carter: "If u don't do it now you're never gonna do it"
Carter: "And u can say you'll do it tomorrow but you probably won't"

And also the fact that during the suicide, they were on the phone together and he bailed from the car because he was scared. She then talked him into getting back into the car. She was clearly at fault for this.

If i was that boy's father I would kill her myself. Slowly
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Everyone involved was mentally unstable. Kinda hard to cheer for this one, even if she deserves some time. She needs help just as much as the guy did.
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markconigliaro posted...

For anyone saying "he would have done it anyway", hasn't read the texts. He was seriously doubting himself, and she pushed him, here's some examples (spoiler tags for anyone who doesn't want to read them):

Roy: "Another day wouldn't hurt"
Carter: "You can't keep pushing it off, tho, that's all you keep doing"

Carter: "You're gonna have to prove me wrong because I just don't think you really want this. You just keeps pushing it off to another night and say you'll do it but you never do"

Carter: "SEE THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. YOU KEEP PUSHING IT OFF! You just said you were gonna do it tonight and now you're saying eventually. . . ."

Carter: "But I bet you're gonna be like 'oh, it didn't work because I didn't tape the tube right or something like that' . . . I bet you're gonna say an excuse like that"

Carter: "Do you have the generator?"
Roy: "not yet lol"
Carter: "WELL WHEN ARE YOU GETTING IT"

Carter: "So I guess you aren't gonna do it then, all that for nothing"
Carter: "I'm just confused like you were so ready and determined"
Roy: "I am gonna eventually"
Roy: "I really don't know what I'm waiting for. . but I have everything lined up"
Carter: "No, you're not, Conrad. Last night was it. You keep pushing it off and you say you'll do it but u never do. Its always gonna be that way if u don't take action"
Carter: "Do u wanna do it now?"
Roy: "Is it too late?"
Roy: "Idkk it's already light outside"
Roy: I'm gonna go back to sleep, love you I'll text you tomorrow"
Carter: "No? Its probably the best time now because everyone's sleeping. Just go somewhere in your truck. And no one's really out right now because it's an awkward time"
Carter: "If u don't do it now you're never gonna do it"
Carter: "And u can say you'll do it tomorrow but you probably won't"

And also the fact that during the suicide, they were on the phone together and he bailed from the car because he was scared. She then talked him into getting back into the car. She was clearly at fault for this.

WOW.....cant believe that poster in this topic is fighting so hard to defend that....guess we know what kind of person he is
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fenderbender321 posted...

I post a lot of shit. Who gives a fuck. Meanwhile, a 20 year old girl's life is about to get ruined solely because we have a lust for blood in this country.

When you say "solely" you begin to be objectively wrong. That isn't an unpopular opinion. It's actually very bad logic.
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This is one of the most fucked up things I ever read about. She deserves what she's getting and probably worse tbh
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Good. I've been following this case for years. Glad this vile human being is getting locked up.
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Funkydog posted...

thelovefist posted...

Why do people bother responding to fenderbender?

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What the fuck is fender really defending her.

She may not be 20 years prison worthy but she deserves involuntary institutionalization as she's malicious and a danger to others.

The whole situation is a grey area but reading those texts in my opinion makes her guilty. She could have reported it or she could have cut ties with him and absolved herself of all blame.

She didn't, instead she bullied and demeaned him and pushed him as hard as she could to take his own life. People go to jail for far less.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

. People go to jail for far less.

And that's wrong.

Agreed. People don't die in those situations.

I'm all for rehabilitation. That's why I said she should be committed. She already has a history of mental illness and now an incident where she had malicious intent that resulted in the death of another person.

She needs to be taken out of the public.
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Just gonna leave this here:
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/involuntary-manslaughter-overview.html

Three elements must be satisfied in order for someone to be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter:

1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
2. The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
3. The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.

Seems pretty clear that those were met.

fenderbender321 posted...

She's only like 1% responsible for his death at most, so hopefully she is only sentenced to 1% of how many years they would normally sentence a 20 year old woman with no prior criminal record for involuntary manslaughter.

I actually agree with this. It's a terrible thing to do and she's a bitch for it, but you can't make someone go to prison Bc of things they say.
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How is it involuntary? She clearly wanted him to die, at least in the moment.

Regardless, 20 years is ample punishment.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Element 1 wasn't even close to being met. The boy was killed as a result of his own actions...the actions of turning on his car in the garage and sitting in it.

It's amazing you think actions means "physics movement".

You realize talking, manipulating, coercing, and pretty much anything involving speech is an action right?
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fenderbender321 posted...

TommyG663513 posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

I post a lot of shit. Who gives a fuck. Meanwhile, a 20 year old girl's life is about to get ruined solely because we have a lust for blood in this country.

When you say "solely" you begin to be objectively wrong. That isn't an unpopular opinion. It's actually very bad logic.

You have much to learn about life and people. I used to be where you are at one point.

Again with your bad logic. Perhaps you don't understand the term "solely."
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fenderbender321 posted...

Element 1 wasn't even close to being met. The boy was killed as a result of his own actions...the actions of turning on his car in the garage and sitting in it.

wrong

"This court has found that Carter's actions and failure to act where it was her self-created duty to Roy since she put him in that toxic environment constituted reckless conduct," the judge said. "The court finds that the conduct caused the death of Mr. Roy."

fenderbender321 posted...

So far multiple people more or less agree with me, yet we will continue to see posts from a select few posters calling me a troll and a contrarian.

Why does this matter? Do you believe the popular opinion (which I don't agree yours is anyways) had never been wrong or resulted in atrocities?

Guess Hitler wasn't so bad because some people agreed with him /s
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@fenderbender321 posted...

Paragon21XX posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

She's only like 1% responsible for his death at most, so hopefully she is only sentenced to 1% of how many years they would normally sentence a 20 year old woman with no prior criminal record for involuntary manslaughter.

That's like saying that a man that manipulated a drunk chick into having sex with him is only 1% responsible for her rape because you have completely disregarded the fact that she was in no way in a proper state of mind to be in full control of her actions.

Same thing here. A person in a suicidal state of mind is not in full control of their actions leading up to their suicide. The fact that even though he was considering backing out of committing suicide while texting his girlfriend who was instead pressuring him to follow through makes her fully culpable even though he did the act himself.

Being intoxicated to the point of not being able to move is a physical impairment as much as it is a mental impairment. Do not compare that to this boy's situation where it can only be argued that there was a mental impairment. Obviously he wasn't physically impaired to the point where he couldn't follow through with committing suicide...

I never said passed-out drunk; that's something you made up to try to deflect my point.

Try again.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

So far multiple people more or less agree with me, yet we will continue to see posts from a select few posters calling me a troll and a contrarian.

Why does this matter? Do you believe the popular opinion (which I don't agree yours is anyways) had never been wrong or resulted in atrocities?

Guess Hitler wasn't so bad because some people agreed with him /s

lol what?

My point is no one gives a fuck who agrees with you and they don't make your position right.
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People should stop feeding fender.
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fenderbender321 posted...

I'm not arguing that the court didn't find her guilty. I know the court found her guilty.

You're ignoring how they found the first element to be met.

1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.

"This court has found that Carter's actions and failure to act where it was her self-created duty to Roy since she put him in that toxic environment constituted reckless conduct," the judge said. "The court finds that the conduct caused the death of Mr. Roy."

Since fender insists he's not trolling I guess I'll reply. Did you even read the text transcripts? He changed his mind and got out of his truck and she talked him into getting back in and finishing it. She researched the method and told him it would be easy and painless. She knew he was thinking about it for months and didn't try to get him help. And no, people who are that suicidal do not think rationally, especially when they're about to do it
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fenderbender321 posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

Since fender insists he's not trolling I guess I'll reply. Did you even read the text transcripts? He changed his mind and got out of his truck and she talked him into getting back in and finishing it. She researched the method and told him it would be easy and painless. She knew he was thinking about it for months and didn't try to get him help. And no, people who are that suicidal do not think rationally, especially when they're about to do it

I've followed this case rather closely for years. I've seen all the texts. I've heard all the arguments in every direction. I'm well informed on this case. No matter what she did, the boy was in a much higher position of control over his life than she was. Therefore, his actions are 100% on him.

I assume conman should be absolved from the law as well then right? And bullies, I mean it's just words, it's the victims fault for listening and not controlling their life/environment better.

Scammers and Hackers too of course, I mean they put up the machine but the victim swiped their card, "they shouldn't have used that gas station"!

Right? I mean 100% their control.
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Kirby posted...

Funkydog posted...

thelovefist posted...

Why do people bother responding to fenderbender?

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sentence her to death eye for an eye tbh fuck her
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.......dude.
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Personally, i dont think she should have been charged at all.

But what she did should have been spread far and fucking wide, and she should have been made a lifelong pariah for it.
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