Current Events > psa: men get raped as often as women do, seems some still not know this

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time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

And now the real surprise: when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to CENSORED”—either by physical force or due to intoxication—at virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011).

In other words, if being made to CENSORED someone was counted as rape—and why shouldn’t it be?—then the headlines could have focused on a truly sensational CDC finding: that women rape men as often as men rape women.

That other topic got deleted but what is sad is we actually do live in that world, it is just that people pretend that men don't get raped.
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I've been raped several dozen times in my life if I go by the regressive definition used there.
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The Admiral posted...

I've been raped several dozen times in my life if I go by the regressive college definition.

are you trying to downplay this time article's conclusion?
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Does drunk sex count as rape? Because if so I've been raped a bunch lol, sometimes while raping the girl too!
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darkphoenix181 posted...

time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

Um... that hover text on the CDC image on the front page...
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darkphoenix181 posted...

The Admiral posted...

I've been raped several dozen times in my life if I go by the regressive college definition.

are you trying to downplay this time article's conclusion?

The part about drunk sex always being rape, yes.

Like I said, according to this article's definition, I'm a "serial victim." But in real life, that's laughable.
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You are misrepresnting the conclusion of the article.

On the other hand, most of us would agree that to equate a victim of violent rape and a man who engages in a drunken sexual act he wouldn’t have chosen when sober is to trivialize a terrible crime. It is safe to assume that the vast majority of the CDC’s male respondents who were “made to penetrate” someone would not call themselves rape victims—and with good reason.

But if that’s the case, it is just as misleading to equate a woman’s experience of alcohol-addled sex with the experience of a rape victim who is either physically overpowered or attacked when genuinely incapacitated. For purely biological reasons, there is little doubt that adult victims of such crimes are mostly female
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The word rape has kind of lost most of it's meaning nowadays.

It used to mean, forceful sex when the other person didn't want it.

Now it's become a grey smudge of shit ranging from farting in public, actual rape and everything in between.
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After all, very few men in the CDC study were classified as victims of rape: 1.7 percent in their lifetime, and too few for a reliable estimate in the past year. But these numbers refer only to men who have been forced into anal sex or made to perform oral sex on another male. Nearly 7 percent of men, however, reported that at some point in their lives, they were “made to penetrate” another person—usually in reference to vaginal intercourse, receiving oral sex, or performing oral sex on a woman. This was not classified as rape, but as “other sexual violence.”

Yeah. I can see some discrepancy there. Being forced into sexual intercourse is rape.
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_Krave_ posted...

The word rape has kind of lost most of it's meaning nowadays.

It used to mean, forceful sex when the other person didn't want it.

Now it's become a grey smudge of shit ranging from farting in public, actual rape and everything in between.

Which is terrible, IMO. This is the nasty byproduct of feminist hyperbole. When you have shit like "eye rape" or "catcalls are rape" or "she had two sips of Bud Light" rape or "buyer's remorse" rape, you de-legitimize real rape. Those other things should not ever use the same world as forcible, non-consensual rape.
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@Pogo_Marimo posted...

You are misrepresnting the conclusion of the article.

On the other hand, most of us would agree that to equate a victim of violent rape and a man who engages in a drunken sexual act he wouldn’t have chosen when sober is to trivialize a terrible crime. It is safe to assume that the vast majority of the CDC’s male respondents who were “made to CENSORED” someone would not call themselves rape victims—and with good reason.

But if that’s the case, it is just as misleading to equate a woman’s experience of alcohol-addled sex with the experience of a rape victim who is either physically overpowered or attacked when genuinely incapacitated. For purely biological reasons, there is little doubt that adult victims of such crimes are mostly female

no I am not

since rape statistics for women do not distinguish the two do they?

physical assault rape is horrible and terrible thing

but do we have stats that say this rate in women or is it simply overall rape that we have a rate for?


the article cites the statistic of overall rape in women and says that men have it less IF and ONLY if we purposely remove the intoxicated rape from men

in other words we engineer it so it looks like men are raped less


for instance, if we remove intoxication from both men and women

what is the difference in the rates now?
it actually could be the same! who knows unless we actually have the results of a study on it

but do we?
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darkphoenix181 posted...

The Admiral posted...

I've been raped several dozen times in my life if I go by the regressive college definition.

are you trying to downplay this time article's conclusion?

he's just being a bitterbeard because no woman or man would touch him unless he's buttered them up with months' worth of gifts, free drinks and constant begging.
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ROD posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

The Admiral posted...

I've been raped several dozen times in my life if I go by the regressive college definition.

are you trying to downplay this time article's conclusion?

he's just being a bitterbeard because no woman or man would touch him unless he's buttered them up with months' worth of gifts, free drinks and constant begging.

Poor ROD. I'd happily give you one of my sloppy seconds if it would improve your life to the point that you didn't behave this way online.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

@Pogo_Marimo posted...

You are misrepresnting the conclusion of the article.

On the other hand, most of us would agree that to equate a victim of violent rape and a man who engages in a drunken sexual act he wouldn’t have chosen when sober is to trivialize a terrible crime. It is safe to assume that the vast majority of the CDC’s male respondents who were “made to CENSORED” someone would not call themselves rape victims—and with good reason.

But if that’s the case, it is just as misleading to equate a woman’s experience of alcohol-addled sex with the experience of a rape victim who is either physically overpowered or attacked when genuinely incapacitated. For purely biological reasons, there is little doubt that adult victims of such crimes are mostly female

what is the difference in the rates now?
it actually could be the same! who knows unless we actually have the results of a study on it

This is not the same conclusion as:

"men get raped as often as women do"

That is literally the point the paragraph I posted is. Yes, the CDC is not scientifically and equivalently recording and the statistics for men and women. That is not the same statement as, "men get raped as often as women do", as the article states explicitly.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

This is not the same conclusion as:

"men get raped as often as women do"

That is literally the point the paragraph I posted is. Yes, the CDC is not scientifically and equivalently recording and the statistics for men and women. That is not the same statement as, "men get raped as often as women do", as the article states explicitly.

yes it is

because women rape rates lumps intoxication with it


they literally give you the rates and they are the same as quoted above



for them to be not the same as you are claiming here, they would have to ignore women intoxicated rape changing how the consider rape
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

This is not the same conclusion as:

"men get raped as often as women do"

That is literally the point the paragraph I posted is. Yes, the CDC is not scientifically and equivalently recording and the statistics for men and women. That is not the same statement as, "men get raped as often as women do", as the article states explicitly.

yes it is

because women rape rates lumps intoxication with it


they literally give you the rates and they are the same as quoted above



for them to be not the same as you are claiming here, they would have to ignore women intoxicated rape changing how the consider rape

That is only logical if we presume the methodology and definition the CDC uses is correct or accurate, which is patently absurd. The CDC uses an overly broad net to define rape, which ends up adding in a disproportionate amount of sexual encounters that neither party would actually consider rape--Which is the first major qualifier for if something is rape. Or, in other word;

By the CDC's flawed defintion and methodology, men are raped nearly as often as women.

The point being that the CDC's report is scientifically flawed, not that men are actually raped as often as women.

Again, another quote from the article to drive home this point.

"It is safe to assume that the vast majority of the CDC’s male respondents who were “made to penetrate” someone would not call themselves rape victims—and with good reason"

You are missing the princple premise of this article.
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I don't think I've ever met a guy that's been raped

Yet most of the girls I've been with have told me they have... huh.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

That is only logical if we presume the methodology and definition the CDC uses is correct or accurate, which is patently absurd. The CDC uses an overly broad net to define rape, which ends up adding in a disproportionate amount of sexual encounters that neither party would actually consider rape--Which is the first major qualifier for if something is rape. Or, in other word;

By the CDC's flawed defintion and methodology, men are raped nearly as often as women.

The point being that the CDC's report is scientifically flawed, not that men are actually raped as often as women.

Again, another quote from the article to drive home this point.

"It is safe to assume that the vast majority of the CDC’s male respondents who were “made to penetrate” someone would not call themselves rape victims—and with good reason"

You are missing the princple premise of this article.

then what should define being raped?
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The CDC study—the second in two years—seems to support a radical feminist narrative that has been gaining mainstream attention recently: that modern America is a “rape culture” saturated with misogynistic violence. But a closer look at the data, obtained from telephone surveys done in 2011, yields a far more complex picture and raises some surprising question about gender, victimization, and bias.

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im not 13 posted...

I don't think I've ever met a guy that's been raped

Yet most of the girls I've been with have told me they have... huh.

I've been "made to penetrate" by my girlfriend before. We both mused about this after the fact, and both came to the conclusion that the asymetrical experience of men and women skew the perception of the experience in different ways. I was far from traumatized by the event (Though it was certainly not the most entertaining sex I've had).
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

That is only logical if we presume the methodology and definition the CDC uses is correct or accurate, which is patently absurd. The CDC uses an overly broad net to define rape, which ends up adding in a disproportionate amount of sexual encounters that neither party would actually consider rape--Which is the first major qualifier for if something is rape. Or, in other word;

By the CDC's flawed defintion and methodology, men are raped nearly as often as women.

The point being that the CDC's report is scientifically flawed, not that men are actually raped as often as women.

Again, another quote from the article to drive home this point.

"It is safe to assume that the vast majority of the CDC’s male respondents who were “made to penetrate” someone would not call themselves rape victims—and with good reason"

You are missing the princple premise of this article.

then what should define being raped?

That is not a simple question to answer, hence the criticism of the article. Rape is a far more subjective crime than most and it is not an issue that a society could hope to handle with perfect justice.

Consent and capability to consent are obviously the largest compelling factors. The presence of resistance ("No", pushing away, forced restraint, ect.) can be used to argue the affirmative. A long-term sexual history can be used to argue the negative in some cases, such as the stringency by which one may consider inebriation in regards to capability to consent could be influenced by how frequently consensual drunk intercourse has occured between the two parties. The number of possible compelling factors are difficult to consider.

No matter how you frame it, without evidence of physical violence (Like cuff bruises, scratches, vaginal/anal tearing, ect.) or a confession many cases will inevitably devolve into unsavory and difficult cases of witness testimony. There is no way by which to avoid that unless we infringe upon the rights of the accused and the fallibility of law.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

I've been "made to penetrate" by my girlfriend before. We both mused about this after the fact, and both came to the conclusion that the asymetrical experience of men and women skew the perception of the experience in different ways. I was far from traumatized by the event (Though it was certainly not the most entertaining sex I've had).

What do you mean made to penetrate? Did your gf talk you into it? You don't have to talk about it if you don't want to
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When factoring in all of the sexual violence in prisons, men are actually raped more often than women.

garan posted...

When factoring in all of the sexual violence in prisons, men are actually raped more often than women.

that is by other men though
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im not 13 posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

I've been "made to penetrate" by my girlfriend before. We both mused about this after the fact, and both came to the conclusion that the asymetrical experience of men and women skew the perception of the experience in different ways. I was far from traumatized by the event (Though it was certainly not the most entertaining sex I've had).

What do you mean made to penetrate? Did your gf talk you into it? You don't have to talk about it if you don't want to

I was just feeling kind of sick and constipated and didn't want to bang. She was playing with me for a little bit then got on top after I told her I didn't really want to. She was doing it playfully but I legitimately told her no and she went for it anyways.

Again, not really traumatic or anything. It just didn't feel (as) good with her on top of my stomach. Any reasonable observer would probably say it qualified as "Forced to penetrate" by the CDC's standards.
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ClockworkHare posted...

The CDC study—the second in two years—seems to support a radical feminist narrative that has been gaining mainstream attention recently: that modern America is a “rape culture” saturated with misogynistic violence. But a closer look at the data, obtained from telephone surveys done in 2011, yields a far more complex picture and raises some surprising question about gender, victimization, and bias.

darkphoenix181 posted...

garan posted...

When factoring in all of the sexual violence in prisons, men are actually raped more often than women.

that is by other men though

which doesn't completely invalidate the numbers
it's just a significant amount of cases are occurring behind bars
which brings up another horrible issue all in itself, especially when some of these places are supposed to be government regulated...

i've never believed the theory that there are more legit male victims of rape than female victims, but i would never automatically dismiss their potential number as trivial either

i could totally believe around like 1/3 of rape victims are male and at least over half of them are not prison cases
when we ignore these, it's not surprising to me when such victims turn a blind eye to what happens to female victims
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