Board 8 > Board 8 National Football League League (B8NFLL) Season 8: Regular Season Part 2

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Hey @WalkingWiki

Remember when you cost me a playoff spot 2 seasons back by throwing out your kids in Wk17 against the Browns because your playoff seeding was set? Situation is the exact same but in reverse this season for all teams involved, just saying!

I mean

I might as well tank now anyway for a good pick >_>
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No collusion please
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KCF0107 posted...

No collusion please

Hey, I'm just resting starters for no injuries

It's a good strat
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Injuries hitting at the worst time! Please don't blow this season, Lions
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Yo cant rest starters to avoid injury if you wont be in the playoffs....
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imthestuntman posted...

Yo cant rest starters to avoid injury if you wont be in the playoffs....

I can -- I don't wanna risk anything serious, like a career-ending injury (even with how unlikely that is)
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Also I have no idea if its like real life where a guy can get injured late and end up missing the start of next season
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Emeraldegg posted...

Also I have no idea if its like real life where a guy can get injured late and end up missing the start of next season

That too
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That is 100% impossible in this game
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I contest that no real team would sit its starters in week 17 unless they had a playoff spot locked up with no chance of gaining a bye or homefield from winning.

If this is allowed to happen it calls into question the authenticity of this league.
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I mean, sitting starters does give more reps to guys he may want to give reps to. It is a questionable thing since it's kind of inseparable this season, the difference between sitting starters for purpose of getting reps to younger guys and sitting starters to chase #1 pick, since there's so many teams vying for it that even one more loss could make all the difference.

I dunno how I feel about it really.
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I don't care whether he sits his starters or not. I made the comment half tongue in cheek because 2 seasons ago the Browns beat the Ravens Wk17 after the Ravens sat their starters which cost the Steelers a playoff spot. And now the situation is the same in reverse

I will say that wiki announced he was sitting his starters prior to that game and nobody batted an eyelid. Only comment on it was post game by KCF saying it likely cost me a playoff spot

Also, I absolutely would put kids in for reps as soon as I was out of playoff contention. You get your kids reps and you likely boost your draft stock. I would have still done that even though I don't own my 1st.

If Wiki tries to sit starters and KCF rules he has to play first string to avoid any sort of issues, I would 100% be ok with that. Just wish the same fuss was made when this came up 2 seasons ago

I'm worried more about integrity than authenticity. While Wiki's reasoning for sitting players for Week 17 is partially misguided and will do more harm than good, I'm not going to force him to keep his starters in.

What he did in S6 and I did in S7 are completely different as we each had #1 seeds locked up at that point. We were each gearing up for a SB run.
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^I wanna see how my younger guys play, but it KCF says I can't, then that's fine too. Whatever KCF says, I'm fine with.
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Emeraldegg posted...

I mean, sitting starters does give more reps to guys he may want to give reps to. It is a questionable thing since it's kind of inseparable this season, the difference between sitting starters for purpose of getting reps to younger guys and sitting starters to chase #1 pick, since there's so many teams vying for it that even one more loss could make all the difference.

I dunno how I feel about it really.

Just to outline the exact scenario from 2 years ago where nobody batted an eye

#1 seeded 12-3 Ravens lost to 8-7 Browns after starting second string team (and announcing it). Browns and Steelers both finished 9-7, Browns won tiebreaker. Ravens then beat the Browns 27-6 in playoffs when using real team (Ravens made the Superbowl that year fwiw)

Iirc Ravens were on a 10 or 11 game winstreak prior to sitting their starters or it had just ended. They definitely had a lengthy streak going

ShatteredElysium posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

I mean, sitting starters does give more reps to guys he may want to give reps to. It is a questionable thing since it's kind of inseparable this season, the difference between sitting starters for purpose of getting reps to younger guys and sitting starters to chase #1 pick, since there's so many teams vying for it that even one more loss could make all the difference.

I dunno how I feel about it really.

Just to outline the exact scenario from 2 years ago where nobody batted an eye

#1 seeded 12-3 Ravens lost to 8-7 Browns after starting second string team (and announcing it). Browns and Steelers both finished 9-7, Browns won tiebreaker. Ravens then beat the Browns 27-6 in playoffs when using real team (Ravens made the Superbowl that year fwiw)

Iirc Ravens were on a 10 or 11 game winstreak prior to sitting their starters or it had just ended. They definitely had a lengthy streak going

Gotcha. That was my first season so I probably was not even paying attention to all of tgat as I was still finding my footing. If its an apology you want, well, I apologize.
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Nah, it's not. I didn't expect people outside the ones involved to remember so just wanted people to be aware

I'd have sat my starters in the same position as Wiki too. He was a Superbowl contender and didn't want to risk injuries.

I'd also sit my starters in same position as him now. Better draft picks and playing time for kids. However, KCF has said before that doing so isn't prudent. Probably because playing in losing efforts can cause ratings drops for other players and I'm not sure how much difference playing in 1 game makes on rises for next year. But then again losing or winning that game could have like a 5+ place swing on draft day

Hmm

I dont think I want to sit my guys because I can still get a bye week I think
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Yeah, if you win, and the Bucs/Lions/Vikings lose, you can theoretically get a bye or improve to the #3 seed.
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Random rant here:
I think the concept of the draft/tanking in general is a moral dilemma, because you can look at it and go "well if you really cared about competing and pride you'd try and win even when you were done" but you can also look at it and go "if we lose as many games as possible, we can get a better player in the draft and that is better for the team in the long run." Like, being real here, despite the stigma put on this course of action, every team that is out of the playoff race should just sit their starters and aim for the best draft spot possible as soon as they're out if they're thinking of the long-term health of the team, but that doesn't happen, so it gets magnified when someone does intentionally sit their starters, and even more when that affects someone's playoff run. In the end I think each team has to look out for #1, as you've stated Shattered, but it doesn't make it any easier or less controversial of a decision to make when that decision affects a playoff scenario.

End tangent.
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Emeraldegg posted...

every team that is out of the playoff race should just sit their starters and aim for the best draft spot possible as soon as they're out if they're thinking of the long-term health of the team

This is actually the exact opposite of what happens because of rating drops from poor performance. It is more beneficial to compete because the potential higher rating in a draftee is nothing compared to widespread ratings decreases across the board.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Nah, it's not. I didn't expect people outside the ones involved to remember so just wanted people to be aware

I'd have sat my starters in the same position as Wiki too. He was a Superbowl contender and didn't want to risk injuries.

I'd also sit my starters in same position as him now. Better draft picks and playing time for kids. However, KCF has said before that doing so isn't prudent. Probably because playing in losing efforts can cause ratings drops for other players and I'm not sure how much difference playing in 1 game makes on rises for next year. But then again losing or winning that game could have like a 5+ place swing on draft day

I guess the question then becomes, will it even matter? We don't know 2 critical things:

1) What positions wiki is targeting. This matters because some positions are more available than others typically, so even with that 5 slot swing he's still prob picking top 10, and if it's something like QB or OT or something, he could still get just as good a prospect at #10 than he could at #3

2) What players are available this year. Pretty self explanatory I think. And even if the draft list comes out and the ONLY player he wants is at #3, and he's picking at #7-10, he would still have time to swing a trade for that pick.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, even in a year like this with a hotly contested top 10 slate of teams picking, I don't think tanking 1 game is going to make that much of a difference. Like he's not suddenly going to be picking 10 slots differently if he lost than if he won. If you're in that race to begin with, you're in the top 10 no matter what.
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KCF0107 posted...

Emeraldegg posted...

every team that is out of the playoff race should just sit their starters and aim for the best draft spot possible as soon as they're out if they're thinking of the long-term health of the team

This is actually the exact opposite of what happens because of rating drops from poor performance. It is more beneficial to compete because the potential higher rating in a draftee is nothing compared to widespread ratings decreases across the board.

Okay, I wasn't sure if that was the exact cause or not, so now that I know, disregard that part of my post. I guess I was mixing up real life and b8nfll for a second there.
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Looking at it, best case for 4 wins is #2 pick. Worst case for 5 wins is #6 pick. We don't know who is on the board so hard to say either way

Actually has bigger implications for Steelers/Browns pick I think. Playoff bound they pick 21-32 right? Non playoff bound they could pick as high as #7 (6 wins is that 7-11 cluster right now)

Yeah that's right for the playoff teams.
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For what its worth, Steelers lost their best 2 players on defense for the season in Wk16. So there's every possibility that Ravens second string still win anyway

Ravens can still get the #1 pick since the Rams record is actually 3-12. So if the Rams beat the Seahawks, Titans beat the Jags, and the Bengals beat the Giants, with the Pioneers and Ravens also losing, we'd have 6 teams with 4-12 records. At which point it comes down to Madden tiebreakers and no one likes those.

And I won't know the draft order until September
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Sim will probably be 45-60 minutes from now
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Bears sign DT Jonathan Sullivan to a 1 year deal
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AI games

Colts - 31
Vikings - 17

Rams - 17
Seahawks - 3

Pioneers - 29
Jets - 24
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Panthers - 26
Hawks - 31

1st Quarter
Jones 26 yard FG
White 4 yard pass from Rivers
Tomlinson 1 yard run

2nd Quarter
Jones 39 yard FG
Washington 1 yard run

3rd Quarter
Ellis 5 yard FR
White 2 yard pass from Rivers
Cundiff 19 yard FG

4th Quarter
Branch 6 yard pass from Ryan
Washington 2 yard run

Notable Players
Hawks QB Philip Rivers 9-20, 116 yards, 2 TD, 2 INTs
Panthers HB Bobby Washington 16 carries for 70 yards, 2 TD, 3 receptions for 25 yards
Hawks WR Roddy White 4 receptions for 38 yards, 2 TD
Panthers DT Monsanto Pope 4 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF
Hawks FS Jarius Byrd 5 tackles, 1 FF, 1 INT
Hawks DT Shaun Rogers 3 tackles, 2 sacks
Hawks DT Amobi Okoye 2 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF
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Raiders - 27
Browns - 20

1st Quarter
Boldin 18 yard pass from Feeley
Whitehead 3 yard run

2nd Quarter
McCaleb 40 yard FG
Whitehead 9 yard run
Melhaff 45 yard FG

3rd Quarter
Melhaff 21 yard FG
McCaleb 45 yard FG
S. Smith 100 yard KR

4th Quarter
S. Smith 5 yard pass from Bradford

Notable Players
Raiders HB Terrence Whitehead 38 carries for 152 yards, 2 TD, 1 fumble, 4 receptions for 18 yards
Raiders MLB Larry Foote 5 tackles, 1 sack
Raiders OLB A.J. Hawk 1 tackle, 1 sack, 1 INT
Browns MLB Korey Hall 12 tackles
Browns DT Vince Wilfork 5 tackles, 3 sacks
Browns S Nick Baldwin 3 tackles, 1 FF, 2 INTs
Browns DE Pierre Woods 2 sacks, 1 FF
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Titans - 30
Jaguars - 26

1st Quarter
Gould 43 yard FG
Celek 12 yard pass from Herron

2nd Quarter
Akers 20 yard FG
Gould 30 yard FG
Wayne 31 yard pass from Freeman
C. Wilson 103 yard KR

3rd Quarter
Lawson 1 yard run
Akers 23 yard FG

4th Quarter
Colbert 2 yard pass from Freeman
Gould 23 yard FG
Clayton 10 yard pass from Herron

Notable Players
Titans QB Kirby Freeman 23-33, 301 yards, 2 TD
Jags QB Tom Herron 15-27, 137 yards, 2 TD
Jags HB Adrian Peterson 29 carries for 171 yards, 2 receptions for 17 yards
Titans WR Keary Colbert 7 receptions for 147 yards, 1 TD
Titans K Robbie Gould 3-3 FGAs
Jags DE Ty Warren 5 tackles, 2 sacks
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Bears - 27
Wildcats - 24

1st Quarter
Lindell FGs of 48 and 47 yards

2nd Quarter
T. Smith 27 yard pass from Vick
Edinger 38 yard FG

3rd Quarter
Holmes 26 yard pass from Vick
Lindell 36 yard FG

4th Quarter
Walker 3 yard pass from Carr + 2 pointer
Lewis 21 yard pass from Carr
T. Smith 76 yard pass from Vick
Lindell 33 yard FG

Notable Players
Bears QB David Carr 26-39, 288 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
Wildcats QB Michael Vick 18-34, 278 yards, 3 TD, 5 rushes for 39 yards
Wildcats WR Trumaine Smith 3 receptions for 109 yards, 2 TD
Bears K Rian Lindell 4-4 FGAs
Bears P Brett Kern 4 punts for 49.5 avg, 3 inside opp. 20
Wildcats SS Glenn Earl 17 tackles
Wildcats DE Eugene Germany 3 tackles, 3 sacks
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Ravens - 20
Steelers - 13

1st Quarter
Graham 44 yard FG

2nd Quarter
Feely FGs of 34 and 27 yards
C. Lewis 11 yard run

3rd Quarter
Pollard 69 yard INT

4th Quarter
Crumpler 3 yard run
Graham 56 yard FG

Notable Players
Steelers QB Robert Griffin 15-27, 132 yards, 3 INTs
Ravens OLB Leland Jones 15 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF
Ravens FS Pat Pollard 6 tackles, 1 INT for TD
Ravens DT Babatunde Oshinow 3 tackles, 2 sacks
Steelers MLB James Laurinaitis 11 tackles, 1 sack
Steelers OLB Stephen Tulloch 8 tackles, 2 sacks
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Cowboys - 28
Redskins - 0

Cowboys scored via:
Bennett passes of 13 and 1 yard from Young
Rucker 4 yard pass from Young
Robinson 15 yard pass from Young

Notable Players
Cowboys QB Vince Young 21-30, 125 yards, 4 TD, 7 rushes for 61 yards
Cowboys WR Drew Bennett 6 receptions for 44 yards, 2 TD
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Lightning - 21
Lions - 38

1st Quarter
McPhearson 10 yard pass from P. Manning
Jolley 3 yard pass from P. Manning

2nd Quarter
Griffith 1 yard run
Edwards 19 yard pass from E. Manning
Brown 11 yard pass from E. Manning
Bironas 48 yard FG

3rd Quarter
De. Williams 1 yard pass from P. Manning
Edwards 2 yard pass from E. Manning

4th Quarter
Griffith 1 yard run

Notable Players
Lightning QB Eli Manning 15-29, 164 yards, 3 TD, 3 INTs
Lions QB Peyton Manning 27-42, 210 yards, 3 TD
Lightning HB Larry Johnson 20 carries for 104 yards, 4 receptions for 53 yards
Lions FB Justin Griffith 8 carries for 20 yards, 2 TD
Lightning WR Braylon Edwards 6 receptions for 67 yards, 2 TD
Lightning SS Kenoy Kennedy 15 tackles
Lions MLB Danny Clark 9 tackles, 1 INT
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Falcons - 10
Chiefs - 31

1st Quarter
Doucet 24 yard pass from Ainge
Houshmandz 8 yard pass from Bulger

2nd Quarter
Grier 22 yard FG
Hillis 2 yard run
Rucker 37 yard FG
D. Davis 1 yard pass from Bulger

3rd Quarter
D. Davis 1 yard run

Notable Players
Chiefs HB Domanick Davis 37 carries for 173 yards, 1 TD, 2 receptions for 6 yards, 1 TD
Chiefs P David Lonie 4 punts for 58.5 avg, 2 inside opp. 20
Falcons OLB Jashon Sykes 12 tackles
Falcons OLB Kendrell Bell 8 tackles, 1 sack
Chiefs DT Sam Rayburn 1 tackle, 2 sacks
Chiefs DE Baraka Atkins 1 tackle, 2 sacks
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Giants - 26
Bengals - 15

1st Quarter
Wilhoit 26 yard FG

2nd Quarter
Wilhoit FGs of 33 and 50 yards
Bailey 34 yard FG
Nicol 2 yard pass from Olson

3rd Quarter
James 3 yard run
Thompson 25 yard INT + failed 2 pointer

4th Quarter
Randle El 38 yard pass from Olson + failed 2 pointer
Bailey 25 yard FG

Notable Players
Giants QB Ben Olson 21-39, 227 yards, 2 TD, 2 INTs
Giants HB Edgerrin James 32 carries for 140 yards, 1 TD, 2 receptions for 24 yards
Bengals K James Wilhoit 3-3 FGAs
Giants MLB Barrett Ruud 7 tackles, 1 FF
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Pumpkins - 14
49ers - 28

1st Quarter
Bell 1 yard run
Moore 51 yard FG

2nd Quarter
Helmandolar 1 yard run
Bell 1 yard run

3rd Quarter
Helmandolar 5 yard run
Moore 46 yard FG

4th Quarter
Broussard 4 yard run + 2 pointer

Notable Players
49ers HB Tatum Bell 42 carries for 228 yards, 2 TD, 1 fumble
49ers FB Jon Helmandolar 14 carries for 48 yards, 2 TD
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Buccaneers - 24
Packers - 7

1st Quarter
Givens 18 yard pass from Brady
Brown 27 yard FG

2nd Quarter
Taylor 3 yard run

4th Quarter
Pearman 1 yard run
Burleson 32 yard pass from Brady

Notable Players
Bucs QB Tom Brady 22-35, 258 yards, 2 TD
Bucs WR Nate Burleson 13 receptions for 167 yards, 1 TD
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Noooooo :'(

We were so close
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Bills - 17
Broncos - 20

1st Quarter
C. Johnson 23 yard pass from Fitzpatrick
Tate 4 yard run

2nd Quarter
Murphy 34 yard pass from Leftwich
Succop 23 yard FG

3rd Quarter
Kinney 3 yard pass from Fitzpatrick
Tucker 48 yard FG

4th Quarter
Succop 38 yard FG

Notable Players
Broncos QB Byron Leftwich 15-30, 186 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs
Bills K Justin Tucker 1-3 FGAs
Bills DT B.J. Raji 5 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF
Bills DE Kyle Johnson 2 tackles, 2 sacks
Bills SS Marques Anderson 2 tackles, 2 INTs
Broncos MLB Anthony Schlegel 7 tackles, 1 sack
Broncos OLB Robert McCune 5 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT
Broncos OLB Patrick Willis 1 tackle, 1 sack, 1 FF
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DoubleTangicide posted...

Noooooo :'(

We were so close

Unfortunately for both of us, tom brady still exists
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Dolphins - 22
Patriots - 17

1st Quarter
Rodgers 5 yard run
Leggett 35 yard pass from McNeal

2nd Quarter
Aguayo 38 yard FG
Benson 1 yard run

3rd Quarter
Aguayo 43 yard FG

4th Quarter
Campbell 49 yard pass from Keller + failed 2 pointer
Crosby 54 yard FG
Aguayo 37 yard FG

Notable Players
Dolphins K Sergio Aguayo 3-3 FGAs
Pats K Mason Crosby 1-3 FGAs
Dolphins P Tom Malone 4 punts for 50.5 avg, 3 inside opp. 20
Pats P Dustin Colquitt 3 punts for 51.7 avg, 1 inside opp. 20
Dolphins MLB Al Wilson 17 tackles
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Your AFC Playoff Teams
1. Miami Dolphins
2. Jacksonville Jaguars
3. Denver Broncos
4. Pittsburgh Steelers
5. New England Patriots
6. Oakland Raiders

This is the first playoff appearance for the New England Patriots and Oakland Raiders.

This is the first playoff appearance for the Pittsburgh Steelers since Season 4

This is the 7th division title for the Miami Dolphins

This is the 6th straight division title for the Jacksonville Jaguars

This is the 6th playoff appearance and 5th division title for the Denver Broncos
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Your NFC Playoff Teams
1. Dallas Cowboys
2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3. Detroit Lions
4. San Francisco 49ers
5. New York Giants
6. Minnesota Vikings

This is the second straight season that the Dallas Cowboys have earned the top seed in the NFC

This is the 7th playoff appearance and 5th division title for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

This is the 6th playoff appearance and 6th division title for the Detroit Lions

This is the first playoff appearance for the San Francisco 49ers since Season 4

This is the 6th playoff appearance for the New York Giants and fifth time they have entered as a Wild Card

This is the 3rd playoff appearance for the Vikings and their first as a Wild Card
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Wild Card Round
Raiders at Broncos
Vikings at Lions
Patriots at Steelers
Giants at 49ers

The playoffs are tentatively set to be live simmed on Sunday, July 23rd
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