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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:13:13 PM
#1:


Genuinely curious. All I've heard of are solutions that won't work, or even help. What are some serious solutions that you guys have to combating terrorism?
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SpiralDrift
06/07/17 1:13:50 PM
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No one on either side has a solution.
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Steve Nick
06/07/17 1:14:14 PM
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Genuinely curious. All I've heard of are solutions that won't work, or even help. What are some serious solutions that you guys have to combating terrorism?



The main conservative solution presently seems to be, "limit the intake of terrorists into the country."

A lot of people haven't really agreed with that, though.
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frozenshock
06/07/17 1:14:24 PM
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Let the market take care of terrorists.
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The Deadpool
06/07/17 1:15:43 PM
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Why would they want to? Fear of Islamic terrorism helps them get elected. They'd be better off just pissing off every ally we have in the area...
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:15:51 PM
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Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Genuinely curious. All I've heard of are solutions that won't work, or even help. What are some serious solutions that you guys have to combating terrorism?



The main conservative solution presently seems to be, "limit the intake of terrorists into the country."

A lot of people haven't really agreed with that, though.


Yeah, that's one of the solutions that simply do not work. Terrorist will find other ways to get into the country, all that does is delay them
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:16:00 PM
#7:


frozenshock posted...
Let the market take care of terrorists.


Clarify?
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Steve Nick
06/07/17 1:16:51 PM
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Genuinely curious. All I've heard of are solutions that won't work, or even help. What are some serious solutions that you guys have to combating terrorism?



The main conservative solution presently seems to be, "limit the intake of terrorists into the country."

A lot of people haven't really agreed with that, though.


Yeah, that's one of the solutions that simply do not work. Terrorist will find other ways to get into the country, all that does is delay them



I mean, I'm guessing the number of them that are willing to swim across or jump the fence, is less than the amount that we're letting in legally.
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:18:07 PM
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Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Genuinely curious. All I've heard of are solutions that won't work, or even help. What are some serious solutions that you guys have to combating terrorism?



The main conservative solution presently seems to be, "limit the intake of terrorists into the country."

A lot of people haven't really agreed with that, though.


Yeah, that's one of the solutions that simply do not work. Terrorist will find other ways to get into the country, all that does is delay them



I mean, I'm guessing the number of them that are willing to swim across or jump the fence, is less than the amount that we're letting in legally.


No, I mean they'll find other ways to get into the country legally. It's really not a difficult thing to do
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Steve Nick
06/07/17 1:20:45 PM
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Genuinely curious. All I've heard of are solutions that won't work, or even help. What are some serious solutions that you guys have to combating terrorism?



The main conservative solution presently seems to be, "limit the intake of terrorists into the country."

A lot of people haven't really agreed with that, though.


Yeah, that's one of the solutions that simply do not work. Terrorist will find other ways to get into the country, all that does is delay them



I mean, I'm guessing the number of them that are willing to swim across or jump the fence, is less than the amount that we're letting in legally.


No, I mean they'll find other ways to get into the country legally. It's really not a difficult thing to do


How are they gonna get in legally if you don't legally let them in?
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:22:01 PM
#11:


Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Genuinely curious. All I've heard of are solutions that won't work, or even help. What are some serious solutions that you guys have to combating terrorism?



The main conservative solution presently seems to be, "limit the intake of terrorists into the country."

A lot of people haven't really agreed with that, though.


Yeah, that's one of the solutions that simply do not work. Terrorist will find other ways to get into the country, all that does is delay them



I mean, I'm guessing the number of them that are willing to swim across or jump the fence, is less than the amount that we're letting in legally.


No, I mean they'll find other ways to get into the country legally. It's really not a difficult thing to do


How are they gonna get in legally if you don't legally let them in?


By going to a country whose citizens we allow entry to

A prime example of this would be Turkey, a country that is renowned for helping terrorist do this exact thing
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The Admiral
06/07/17 1:22:25 PM
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1. Be honest about what the root cause of the problem is
2. Use said information from #1 to develop intelligent screening and counter-terrorism campaigns, disregarding hurt feelings
3. Stop letting refugees in without properly screening them
4. Start working on a plan and time frame for sending the existing refugees back
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Kazi1212
06/07/17 1:23:27 PM
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It's the same as liberals. More military strikes, continue alliances with monarchs in the region, and create a mass surveillance state
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Were_Wyrm
06/07/17 1:23:56 PM
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I've seen genocide and nuclear holocaust ideas tossed around.
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Darklit_Minuet
06/07/17 1:24:36 PM
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Terrorists are like trolls. They thrive off attention. Don't feed the trolls and they'll go away. If we don't allow them to affect our day to day lives, their tactics will no longer be effective.

Scrap the Patriot Act, disband the NSA, and stop removing freedom in the name of security. That is the only way to defeat terrorism
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Steve Nick
06/07/17 1:24:56 PM
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Genuinely curious. All I've heard of are solutions that won't work, or even help. What are some serious solutions that you guys have to combating terrorism?



The main conservative solution presently seems to be, "limit the intake of terrorists into the country."

A lot of people haven't really agreed with that, though.


Yeah, that's one of the solutions that simply do not work. Terrorist will find other ways to get into the country, all that does is delay them



I mean, I'm guessing the number of them that are willing to swim across or jump the fence, is less than the amount that we're letting in legally.


No, I mean they'll find other ways to get into the country legally. It's really not a difficult thing to do


How are they gonna get in legally if you don't legally let them in?


By going to a country whose citizens we allow entry to

A prime example of this would be Turkey, a country that is renowned for helping terrorist do this exact thing



So you're saying we just ban immigration from Turkey then. By golly, you've done it!
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glitteringfairy
06/07/17 1:24:58 PM
#17:


Stop allowing Muslims from foreign countries entry into the country and screen those already in the country

Deal with homegrown terrorists the same way we are doing now, just try our best to stop it.
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ZombiePelican
06/07/17 1:25:10 PM
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Genuinely curious. All I've heard of are solutions that won't work, or even help. What are some serious solutions that you guys have to combating terrorism?

Their only solution is sink even more money into military and ban anyone not White from entering the country
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:26:11 PM
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@The_Admiral

1) People already understand what the problem is. It's Radical Islam. It's just there's more to simply understanding the problem.

2) We already do this. And everyone knows that by "disregarding hurt feelings" you really mean "disregarding human rights" as proven by your previous post (not in this topic) about why racial profiling is cool.

3) We already have an extensive screening process, and it takes a while for refugees to even be allowed into the country because of it

4) Why?
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Twinmold
06/07/17 1:26:29 PM
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The solution abroad seems to be the same amongst both parties.

Drop lots of bombs on the Middle East. Pretend that we don't kill hundreds of civilians with these strikes. Then spend months pondering why the Eastern population hates us so much.
I mean, we keep liberating so many of them from their lives? Why aren't they thankful instead of crying and getting angry about their liberated families?
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The Admiral
06/07/17 1:29:09 PM
#21:


Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
4) Why?


Because they don't want to be there. Refugees are not immigrants. They're not moving to the host country to adopt its values, they're moving their because they want to keep their existing culture in a place that's less dangerous.

The real solution here should be that other Muslim countries in the area -- who have similar cultures, language, and religion -- take in these refugees, rather than the US and European countries have cultures that are incompatible.
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Balrog0
06/07/17 1:30:47 PM
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send sebastian gorka oversees to snide the terrorism away

The Admiral posted...
The real solution here should be that other Muslim countries in the area -- who have similar cultures, language, and religion -- take in these refugees, rather than the US and European countries have cultures that are incompatible.


this is probably the most serious response you'll get, though. this parochial attitude is very common among conservatives
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Vertania
06/07/17 1:30:52 PM
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Hold Islam accountable for promoting violence. Their religious text explicitly calls for the killing of non-believers and that's obviously not acceptable. Even if most Muslims aren't violent, the ones that are can still use their religion to justify it.

Some ways to start doing that:
- Get the media to stop pretending the Quran doesn't promote violence.
- Investigate domestic mosques and imams who are accused of inciting violence.
- Call on Muslim leaders to more openly denounce the parts of the Quran that encourage violence.
- Increase vetting of immigration from areas with known concentrations of terrorist organizations.

I don't consider most of that "conservative," but I'm sure CE will.
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Amputation
06/07/17 1:31:07 PM
#24:


Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Genuinely curious. All I've heard of are solutions that won't work, or even help. What are some serious solutions that you guys have to combating terrorism?


Arm every strange white male paranoid loser in the country. They literally think this is the best deterrent.
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:31:43 PM
#25:


The Admiral posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
4) Why?


Because they don't want to be there. Refugees are not immigrants. They're not moving to the host country to adopt its values, they're moving their because they want to keep their existing culture in a place that's less dangerous.

The real solution here should be that other Muslim countries in the area -- who have similar cultures, language, and religion -- take in these refugees, rather than the US and European countries have cultures that are incompatible.


And what about the Muslim communities in America that are compatible?

Or the thousands of refugees that are currently in america that haven't done anything wrong?
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_Goggalor_
06/07/17 1:32:11 PM
#26:


Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Steve Nick posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Genuinely curious. All I've heard of are solutions that won't work, or even help. What are some serious solutions that you guys have to combating terrorism?



The main conservative solution presently seems to be, "limit the intake of terrorists into the country."

A lot of people haven't really agreed with that, though.


Yeah, that's one of the solutions that simply do not work. Terrorist will find other ways to get into the country, all that does is delay them



I mean, I'm guessing the number of them that are willing to swim across or jump the fence, is less than the amount that we're letting in legally.


No, I mean they'll find other ways to get into the country legally. It's really not a difficult thing to do


How are they gonna get in legally if you don't legally let them in?


By going to a country whose citizens we allow entry to

A prime example of this would be Turkey, a country that is renowned for helping terrorist do this exact thing


So we just ban that country too.
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:33:54 PM
#27:


Vertania posted...
Hold Islam accountable for promoting violence. Their religious text explicitly calls for the killing of non-believers and that's obviously not acceptable. Even if most Muslims aren't violent, the ones that are can still use their religion to justify it.

Some ways to start doing that:
- Get the media to stop pretending the Quran doesn't promote violence.
- Investigate domestic mosques and imams who are accused of inciting violence.
- Call on Muslim leaders to more openly denounce the parts of the Quran that encourage violence.
- Increase vetting of immigration from areas with known concentrations of terrorist organizations.

I don't consider most of that "conservative," but I'm sure CE will.


Most of this stuff already happens though, and calling on Muslim leaders to denounce the Quran wouldn't really help at all

The only Muslim leaders that terrorists follow, are also terrorists. Telling a religious terrorist to denounce their religious text wouldn't work
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:35:37 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
So we just ban that country too.


In which case they'll just go to another country, to bypass said ban.

Is your end game to just become isolationist, and ban entry from every country?
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_Goggalor_
06/07/17 1:36:32 PM
#29:


Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
So we just ban that country too.


In which case they'll just go to another country, to bypass said ban.

Is your end game to just become isolationist, and ban entry from every country?


Yes. America should not be letting anyone in that's not already here tbh.
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:36:40 PM
#30:


Amputation posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Genuinely curious. All I've heard of are solutions that won't work, or even help. What are some serious solutions that you guys have to combating terrorism?


Arm every strange white male paranoid loser in the country. They literally think this is the best deterrent.


Yeah, pretty sure there was a congressman recently that said this exact thing
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:36:58 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
So we just ban that country too.


In which case they'll just go to another country, to bypass said ban.

Is your end game to just become isolationist, and ban entry from every country?


Yes. America should not be letting anyone in that's not already here tbh.


Can't tell if serious
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_Goggalor_
06/07/17 1:38:19 PM
#32:


Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
So we just ban that country too.


In which case they'll just go to another country, to bypass said ban.

Is your end game to just become isolationist, and ban entry from every country?


Yes. America should not be letting anyone in that's not already here tbh.


Can't tell if serious


100% serious. Also need to thoroughly investigate all Muslims currently living here.
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:39:49 PM
#33:


_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
So we just ban that country too.


In which case they'll just go to another country, to bypass said ban.

Is your end game to just become isolationist, and ban entry from every country?


Yes. America should not be letting anyone in that's not already here tbh.


Can't tell if serious


100% serious. Also need to thoroughly investigate all Muslims currently living here.


So you want to block entry from every country and investigate anyone who is a Muslim or could be a Muslim that's already here?

Thought Conservatives were all about the small government >__>
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Mr Sandbag
06/07/17 1:39:55 PM
#34:


Pretty easy. You kill them all, kick them out of your country, don't let them in and keep them to their own hellholes. Then if they start shit outside of their homes bomb them back into Stone Age so they get the message that their shit isn't acceptable in the modern western world. Jihad is not acceptable here.
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:41:22 PM
#35:


Mr Sandbag posted...
Pretty easy. You kill them all, kick them out of your country, don't let them in and keep them to their own hellholes. Then if they start shit outside of their homes bomb them back into Stone Age so they get the message that their shit isn't acceptable in the modern western world. Jihad is not acceptable here.


Ah, so just go around and murder anyone who you suspect to be a Muslim

Definitely sounds like nothing could go wrong from doing that

I asked for serious solutions, not absurd genocide comments
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Vertania
06/07/17 1:42:43 PM
#36:


Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Most of this stuff already happens though, and calling on Muslim leaders to denounce the Quran wouldn't really help at all

The only Muslim leaders that terrorists follow, are also terrorists. Telling a religious terrorist to denounce their religious text wouldn't work

Most of the media absolutely shies away from mentioning the fact that the Quran encourages violence. They're apparently so afraid of being called racist or being attacked that they keep pushing the "not all Muslims" stuff. While it is true that most Muslims are good people, that constant narrative distracts from the root of the issue: that the Quran justifies and encourages violence.

As far as I can tell, the reason The Bible gets a pass is because the New Testament denounces violence. The Quran's more recent additions, which promote violence, "overwrite" the older ones.
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:43:25 PM
#37:


Vertania posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Most of this stuff already happens though, and calling on Muslim leaders to denounce the Quran wouldn't really help at all

The only Muslim leaders that terrorists follow, are also terrorists. Telling a religious terrorist to denounce their religious text wouldn't work

Most of the media absolutely shies away from mentioning the fact that the Quran encourages violence. They're apparently so afraid of being called racist or being attacked that they keep pushing the "not all Muslims" stuff. While it is true that most Muslims are good people, that constant narrative distracts from the root of the issue: that the Quran justifies and encourages violence.

As far as I can tell, the reason The Bible gets a pass is because the New Testament denounces violence. The Quran's more recent additions, which promote violence, "overwrite" the older ones.


How would the media saying "The Quran justifies this" do anything to stop terrorism?
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Twinmold
06/07/17 1:43:57 PM
#38:


Mr Sandbag posted...
Pretty easy. You kill them all, kick them out of your country, don't let them in and keep them to their own hellholes. Then if they start shit outside of their homes bomb them back into Stone Age so they get the message that their shit isn't acceptable in the modern western world. Jihad is not acceptable here.

Is this really fun for you? Trolling like this? You ever reflect on yourself and realize how weird it is to find this funny? Maybe you should take a break and rethink your hobby.
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Mr Sandbag
06/07/17 1:44:56 PM
#39:


Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
So we just ban that country too.


In which case they'll just go to another country, to bypass said ban.

Is your end game to just become isolationist, and ban entry from every country?


Yes. America should not be letting anyone in that's not already here tbh.


Can't tell if serious


100% serious. Also need to thoroughly investigate all Muslims currently living here.


So you want to block entry from every country and investigate anyone who is a Muslim or could be a Muslim that's already here?

Thought Conservatives were all about the small government >__>


Shut the fuck up. The number one existence and role of government is to keep the citizens safe from outside forces. There is nothing hypocritical about it. Now fuck off.
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Amputation
06/07/17 1:45:45 PM
#40:


This topic is a great example of why the majority of people have no respect for the intellectual prowess of the American conservative.
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Mr Sandbag
06/07/17 1:46:01 PM
#41:


Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
Mr Sandbag posted...
Pretty easy. You kill them all, kick them out of your country, don't let them in and keep them to their own hellholes. Then if they start shit outside of their homes bomb them back into Stone Age so they get the message that their shit isn't acceptable in the modern western world. Jihad is not acceptable here.


Ah, so just go around and murder anyone who you suspect to be a Muslim

Definitely sounds like nothing could go wrong from doing that

I asked for serious solutions, not absurd genocide comments


Murder? Why are you calling for that!? What is wrong with you!? Why do you want to murder people!?
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Amputation
06/07/17 1:46:07 PM
#42:


Mr Sandbag posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
So we just ban that country too.


In which case they'll just go to another country, to bypass said ban.

Is your end game to just become isolationist, and ban entry from every country?


Yes. America should not be letting anyone in that's not already here tbh.


Can't tell if serious


100% serious. Also need to thoroughly investigate all Muslims currently living here.


So you want to block entry from every country and investigate anyone who is a Muslim or could be a Muslim that's already here?

Thought Conservatives were all about the small government >__>


Shut the fuck up. The number one existence and role of government is to keep the citizens safe from outside forces. There is nothing hypocritical about it. Now fuck off.


That is absolutely false.
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:47:14 PM
#43:


Twinmold posted...
Mr Sandbag posted...
Pretty easy. You kill them all, kick them out of your country, don't let them in and keep them to their own hellholes. Then if they start shit outside of their homes bomb them back into Stone Age so they get the message that their shit isn't acceptable in the modern western world. Jihad is not acceptable here.

Is this really fun for you? Trolling like this? You ever reflect on yourself and realize how weird it is to find this funny? Maybe you should take a break and rethink your hobby.


Trolling?

Idk, when you have congressmen going a round saying the same thing, it's hard to believe it's trolling
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Vertania
06/07/17 1:47:36 PM
#44:


Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
How would the media saying "The Quran justifies this" do anything to stop terrorism?

For one, it would give the general public a more accurate understanding of what the Islamic religion encompasses.
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_Goggalor_
06/07/17 1:47:48 PM
#45:


Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
So we just ban that country too.


In which case they'll just go to another country, to bypass said ban.

Is your end game to just become isolationist, and ban entry from every country?


Yes. America should not be letting anyone in that's not already here tbh.


Can't tell if serious


100% serious. Also need to thoroughly investigate all Muslims currently living here.


So you want to block entry from every country and investigate anyone who is a Muslim or could be a Muslim that's already here?

Thought Conservatives were all about the small government >__>


Not in today's world. Too hard to tell who is a threat and who isn't. They are using women and children to commit acts of terror or hide amongst.
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Mr Sandbag
06/07/17 1:48:39 PM
#46:


Twinmold posted...
Mr Sandbag posted...
Pretty easy. You kill them all, kick them out of your country, don't let them in and keep them to their own hellholes. Then if they start shit outside of their homes bomb them back into Stone Age so they get the message that their shit isn't acceptable in the modern western world. Jihad is not acceptable here.

Is this really fun for you? Trolling like this? You ever reflect on yourself and realize how weird it is to find this funny? Maybe you should take a break and rethink your hobby.



If you think keeping people away from your country who want to kill you is trolling you're too far gone from reality. Get some professional help. I'm serous.
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ManSpread
06/07/17 1:48:59 PM
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if you call it radical islamic terrorism it will go away

- actual conservative logic
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:49:38 PM
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Vertania posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
How would the media saying "The Quran justifies this" do anything to stop terrorism?

For one, it would give the general public a more accurate understanding of what the Islamic religion encompasses.


And how would this do anything to stop terrrorism...?
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/07/17 1:50:26 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
_Goggalor_ posted...
So we just ban that country too.


In which case they'll just go to another country, to bypass said ban.

Is your end game to just become isolationist, and ban entry from every country?


Yes. America should not be letting anyone in that's not already here tbh.


Can't tell if serious


100% serious. Also need to thoroughly investigate all Muslims currently living here.


So you want to block entry from every country and investigate anyone who is a Muslim or could be a Muslim that's already here?

Thought Conservatives were all about the small government >__>


Not in today's world. Too hard to tell who is a threat and who isn't. They are using women and children to commit acts of terror or hide amongst.


And you're just going to deny all the negatives that taking action like this would entail?
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_Goggalor_
06/07/17 1:50:27 PM
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Mr Sandbag posted...
Twinmold posted...
Mr Sandbag posted...
Pretty easy. You kill them all, kick them out of your country, don't let them in and keep them to their own hellholes. Then if they start shit outside of their homes bomb them back into Stone Age so they get the message that their shit isn't acceptable in the modern western world. Jihad is not acceptable here.

Is this really fun for you? Trolling like this? You ever reflect on yourself and realize how weird it is to find this funny? Maybe you should take a break and rethink your hobby.



If you think keeping people away from your country who want to kill you is trolling you're too far gone from reality. Get some professional help. I'm serous.


This. I also don't support a "genocide. I said investigate, not kill.
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