Current Events > Harvard rescinds admissions offer for 10 students caught acting like CEmen.

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http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/6/5/2021-offers-rescinded-memes/

Harvard College rescinded admissions offers to at least ten prospective members of the Class of 2021 after the students traded sexually explicit memes and messages that sometimes targeted minority groups in a private Facebook group chat.

A handful of admitted students formed the messaging group, titled, at one point, "Harvard memes for horny bourgeois teens" on Facebook in late December, according to two incoming freshmen.

In the group, students sent each other memes and other images mocking sexual assault, the Holocaust, and the deaths of children, according to screenshots of the chat obtained by The Crimson. Some of the messages joked that abusing children was sexually arousing, while others had punchlines directed at specific ethnic or racial groups. One called the hypothetical hanging of a Mexican child "piñata time."

After discovering the existence and contents of the chat, Harvard administrators revoked admissions offers to at least ten participants in mid-April, according to several members of the group. University officials have previously said that Harvard's decision to rescind a student's offer is final.

Be careful when you're on the net, posting like a CEman. There are consequences to CEmen-like behavior and you don't want something like that weighing over you.
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It's a private Facebook chat. What's the problem?
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Guess it wasn't as private as they thought it was.
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Forlorn_Ass posted...

It's a private Facebook chat. What's the problem?

There is no privacy anymore
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Admissions at that high a level are a crapshoot anyway. There are plenty of other applicants more than capable to replace these ten, but who aren't PR nightmares, so this choice is only good business.

Fair, next.
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imagine that you were accepted to Harvard, and had your admission rescinded for some shit like this

it doesn't pay to be an asshole on social media.
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boxington posted...

imagine that you were accepted to Harvard, and had your admission rescinded for some shit like this

it doesn't pay to be an asshole on social media.

Nah, just on facebook. Don't be an ass on those sites where you have your freakin' personal details about you right thr in public. You can act like an ass on a site like CE board. No one will know anyway

Sounds like somebody snitched on them
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Forlorn_Ass posted...

It's a private Facebook chat. What's the problem?

Just like how Harvard is a private university, so no big deal for those students.
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When we talk shit about CE are we including or excluding ourselves?
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ReignFury posted...

When we talk s*** about CE are we including or excluding ourselves?

Yes
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Didn't Harvard recently accept someone who wrote "Black Lives Matter" over and over again on their admission essay

ViralMoose posted...

Didn't Harvard recently accept someone who wrote "Black Lives Matter" over and over again on their admission essay

Which has to do with this topic in what way?
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ViralMoose posted...

Didn't Harvard recently accept someone who wrote "Black Lives Matter" over and over again on their admission essay

A dude that got accepted into all of the other Ivies as well?
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eston posted...

Sounds like somebody snitched on them

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Fair, next. Actions have consequences
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So who snitched on them?

Mernardi posted...

Fair, next.

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Mernardi posted...

ViralMoose posted...

Didn't Harvard recently accept someone who wrote "Black Lives Matter" over and over again on their admission essay

Which has to do with this topic in what way?

harvard's admission process is a joke
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Hahahahaha
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Forlorn_Ass posted...

It's a private Facebook chat. What's the problem?

3rd_Best_Master posted...

mocking sexual assault, the Holocaust, and the deaths of children, according to screenshots of the chat obtained by The Crimson. Some of the messages joked that abusing children was sexually arousing, while others had punchlines directed at specific ethnic or racial groups.

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Fair next, but how did Harvard find out in the first place? Someone snitched lol
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Mernardi posted...

ViralMoose posted...

Didn't Harvard recently accept someone who wrote "Black Lives Matter" over and over again on their admission essay

Which has to do with this topic in what way?

Because it negates that Harvard is too smart to admit people who say shallow silly things and instead shows that they just refuse people based on which shallow silly things.

Harvard is kinda a joke right now. Most colleges are turning themselves into jokes.
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averagejoel posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

It's a private Facebook chat. What's the problem?

3rd_Best_Master posted...

mocking sexual assault, the Holocaust, and the deaths of children, according to screenshots of the chat obtained by The Crimson. Some of the messages joked that abusing children was sexually arousing, while others had punchlines directed at specific ethnic or racial groups.

Honestly who cares. Do you sincerely believe these people meant these things? You don't get to define people by private conversations that you take out of context and then re-contextualize in cold clinical terms later.

It's like the Maher thing, context matters, and these are people talking to each other. They can say whatever they want. It's not like they actually personally stand behind their jokes as things they truly believe.

Culturally we need to accept freedom of speech more, if you don't then you have nobody to blame when you get fired for saying "nobody here but us chickens" and somebody else says "you should have known that phrase has racist origins! YOU ARE FIRED FOR HATECRIME".

Shit like that will happen more and more the more and more you FAIR.NEXT. everything.
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They're losing the prestige, that's why. Not enough people from Harvard are currently out there doing amazing things. Not to mention I don't even feel that many particularly smart individuals come out of there. You can get into a top ranking college by being purely book smart and having parents just guide their way through. I certainly have anyways. It doesn't mean shit in terms of that person's sole capabilities
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joe40001 posted...

Culturally we need to accept freedom of speech more, if you don't then you have nobody to blame when you get fired for saying "nobody here but us chickens" and somebody else says "you should have known that phrase has racist origins! YOU ARE FIRED FOR HATECRIME".

s*** like that will happen more and more the more and more you FAIR.NEXT. everything.

At what point in time did freedom of speech ever mean freedom from consequences?
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

joe40001 posted...

Culturally we need to accept freedom of speech more, if you don't then you have nobody to blame when you get fired for saying "nobody here but us chickens" and somebody else says "you should have known that phrase has racist origins! YOU ARE FIRED FOR HATECRIME".

s*** like that will happen more and more the more and more you FAIR.NEXT. everything.

At what point in time did freedom of speech ever mean freedom from consequences?

That's a nice phrase but that we embrace freedom of speech as a cultural ideal implicitly means that we defend others ability to say things we dislike. Encouraging and sanctioning major punishments from institutions and media is clearly antithetical to that ideal.
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Seems pretty overkill to rescind admissions over private shitposting.
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joe40001 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

It's a private Facebook chat. What's the problem?

3rd_Best_Master posted...

mocking sexual assault, the Holocaust, and the deaths of children, according to screenshots of the chat obtained by The Crimson. Some of the messages joked that abusing children was sexually arousing, while others had punchlines directed at specific ethnic or racial groups.

Honestly who cares. Do you sincerely believe these people meant these things? You don't get to define people by private conversations that you take out of context and then re-contextualize in cold clinical terms later.

It's like the Maher thing, context matters, and these are people talking to each other. They can say whatever they want. It's not like they actually personally stand behind their jokes as things they truly believe.

Culturally we need to accept freedom of speech more, if you don't then you have nobody to blame when you get fired for saying "nobody here but us chickens" and somebody else says "you should have known that phrase has racist origins! YOU ARE FIRED FOR HATECRIME".

Shit like that will happen more and more the more and more you FAIR.NEXT. everything.

yes, context matters

like the Bill Maher thing, it was wrong. context is more than the words surrounding a shitty joke or a use of the n-bomb. they have context in history too.

also, like Bill Maher, this scenario has nothing to do with free speech. the government did not punish either of them in any way.

edit: that is, unless you believe that independent parties, like Harvard or people's employers, shouldn't also have free speech
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averagejoel posted...

joe40001 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

It's a private Facebook chat. What's the problem?

3rd_Best_Master posted...

mocking sexual assault, the Holocaust, and the deaths of children, according to screenshots of the chat obtained by The Crimson. Some of the messages joked that abusing children was sexually arousing, while others had punchlines directed at specific ethnic or racial groups.

Honestly who cares. Do you sincerely believe these people meant these things? You don't get to define people by private conversations that you take out of context and then re-contextualize in cold clinical terms later.

It's like the Maher thing, context matters, and these are people talking to each other. They can say whatever they want. It's not like they actually personally stand behind their jokes as things they truly believe.

Culturally we need to accept freedom of speech more, if you don't then you have nobody to blame when you get fired for saying "nobody here but us chickens" and somebody else says "you should have known that phrase has racist origins! YOU ARE FIRED FOR HATECRIME".

Shit like that will happen more and more the more and more you FAIR.NEXT. everything.

yes, context matters

like the Bill Maher thing, it was wrong. context is more than the words surrounding a shitty joke or a use of the n-bomb. they have context in history too.

also, like Bill Maher, this scenario has nothing to do with free speech. the government did not punish either of them in any way.

edit: that is, unless you believe that independent parties, like Harvard or people's employers, shouldn't also have free speech

It has nothing to do with free speech as a legal thing, it has everything to do with free speech as a national ideal. I am talking about the cultural sense of free speech, not the legal sense that effectively protects nobody from anything but prison.

Harvard is not exercising it's free speech here, had they said they didn't approve of these messages they would be exercising free speech, they are taking punitive actions towards these people for WORDS. It's a slippery as fuck slope and one which goes against the national principle of ideal.

The whole "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" doesn't mean "I'll still encourage you to be homeless and umemployed and socially ostracized from every business or institution"

Getting banned from Havard for something said in jest in a private conversation is like the definition of Orwellian shit that we used to all be against. Now some of us go "technically they are legally ok to do this" as if that negates that it's still very emblematic of the killing of the social ideal of freedom and free speech
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs
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Yeah somebody snitched. I'm in a chat like this on FB and we joke about this kind of stuff all the time. It's one thing if you're posting about that on your actual page but in a private chat? Come on. Just more PC culture bullshit.
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joe40001 posted...

It has nothing to do with free speech as a legal thing, it has everything to do with free speech as a national ideal. I am talking about the cultural sense of free speech, not the legal sense that effectively protects nobody from anything but prison.

Harvard is not exercising it's free speech here, had they said they didn't approve of these messages they would be exercising free speech, they are taking punitive actions towards these people for WORDS. It's a slippery as fuck slope and one which goes against the national principle of ideal.

The whole "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" doesn't mean "I'll still encourage you to be homeless and umemployed and socially ostracized from every business or institution"

Getting banned from Havard for something said in jest in a private conversation is like the definition of Orwellian shit that we used to all be against. Now some of us go "technically they are legally ok to do this" as if that negates that it's still very emblematic of the killing of the social ideal of freedom and free speech

except it's not Orwellian at all unless you somehow think that getting kicked out of Harvard for being racist is equivalent to the government restricting speech.

if someone says racist things, they will face consequences, as they should.
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averagejoel posted...

joe40001 posted...

It has nothing to do with free speech as a legal thing, it has everything to do with free speech as a national ideal. I am talking about the cultural sense of free speech, not the legal sense that effectively protects nobody from anything but prison.

Harvard is not exercising it's free speech here, had they said they didn't approve of these messages they would be exercising free speech, they are taking punitive actions towards these people for WORDS. It's a slippery as fuck slope and one which goes against the national principle of ideal.

The whole "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" doesn't mean "I'll still encourage you to be homeless and umemployed and socially ostracized from every business or institution"

Getting banned from Havard for something said in jest in a private conversation is like the definition of Orwellian shit that we used to all be against. Now some of us go "technically they are legally ok to do this" as if that negates that it's still very emblematic of the killing of the social ideal of freedom and free speech

except it's not Orwellian at all unless you somehow think that getting kicked out of Harvard for being racist is equivalent to the government restricting speech.

if someone says racist things, they will face consequences, as they should.

No they shouldn't because they are words and jokes and not actions. AND it's in a private context. So it's words being exchanged in a private context, by not defending people's ability to talk you are missing the point of freedom of speech.

Do you have a full transcript of what was said and the full context of it and an understanding for the tone of the speakers involved? No? Then maybe you aren't qualified to judge them for what they said AND even if you did JUDGE them for what they say it still doesn't mean you have to ruin their life by revoking their admission. Harvard could release a statement saying "We don't approve of this language" but their action is punitive, it is "we don't allow people to say these things".

And really do you think they got a fair minded person with a sense of humor to read and judge the content fairly? No, they take things out of context and react. That's how 99% of the world is "take it out of context and I will react" and so you get so much dumb shit like how people are actually influencing the career of somebody like Bill Maher when they literally think the clip they are seeing was on broadcast television.

People with such little context shouldn't have any weight in such scenarios, and they drive punitive actions like this all the time.

I'm for common sense and fairness, not recreational witchhunting.

They could've been making endless jokes that weren't funny about murdering babies in blenders or something and as long as those words had nothing to do with their actions then they should be damn well free to do it.
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Shotgunnova posted...

eston posted...

Sounds like somebody snitched on them

underrated post
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joe40001 posted...

No they shouldn't because they are words and jokes and not actions. AND it's in a private context. So it's words being exchanged in a private context, by not defending people's ability to talk you are missing the point of freedom of speech.

their ability to talk is not being threatened, and therefore does not need defending.

Do you have a full transcript of what was said and the full context of it and an understanding for the tone of the speakers involved? No? Then maybe you aren't qualified to judge them for what they said AND even if you did JUDGE them for what they say it still doesn't mean you have to ruin their life by revoking their admission. Harvard could release a statement saying "We don't approve of this language" but their action is punitive, it is "we don't allow people to say these things".

maybe Harvard doesn't want to be associated with people who say racist things

And really do you think they got a fair minded person with a sense of humor to read and judge the content fairly? No, they take things out of context and react. That's how 99% of the world is "take it out of context and I will react" and so you get so much dumb shit like how people are actually influencing the career of somebody like Bill Maher when they literally think the clip they are seeing was on broadcast television.

racist jokes aren't funny. they're done. dead. overplayed. there's nothing more that can be done with them and they should be thrown out.

also, context is more than the conversation including racist jokes. words and conversations don't exist in a vacuum. there's a history of white people saying the n word, and there's a history of white people telling racist jokes, both of which you are completely ignoring.

People with such little context shouldn't have any weight in such scenarios

yes, see my previous comment

I'm for common sense and fairness, not recreational witchhunting.

it's not witch hunting. they told racist jokes and Bill Maher said the n word.

They could've been making endless jokes that weren't funny about murdering babies in blenders or something and as long as those words had nothing to do with their actions then they should be damn well free to do it.

they are. they just have to accept responsibility for their actions like an adult
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Is someone literally defending social sphere racism lol

soulunison2 posted...

Is someone literally defending social sphere racism lol

No just privacy.
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Fair, next. Instead, these prospective students should have threatened and intimidated a white professor, caused classes to be cancelled and taken over various buildings on campus. Then they would have had the backing of the administration and their leftist peers.
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Forlorn_Ass posted...

It's a private Facebook chat. What's the problem?

Harvard can pull any admission they want

What's the problem?
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E32005 posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

It's a private Facebook chat. What's the problem?

Harvard can pull any admission they want

What's the problem?

Good point. They just look bad because of it though.
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Forlorn_Ass posted...

E32005 posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

It's a private Facebook chat. What's the problem?

Harvard can pull any admission they want

What's the problem?

Good point. They just look bad because of it though.

Nope
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E32005 posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

E32005 posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

It's a private Facebook chat. What's the problem?

Harvard can pull any admission they want

What's the problem?

Good point. They just look bad because of it though.

Nope

To me they do, not to you.
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Harvard nerds rekt
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Harvard's got a stick up their ass but really who cares. Don't get caught making jokes if you don't want the sjw gods striking you down.
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Forlorn_Ass posted...

E32005 posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

E32005 posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

It's a private Facebook chat. What's the problem?

Harvard can pull any admission they want

What's the problem?

Good point. They just look bad because of it though.

Nope

To me they do, not to you.

Shhhh, CE doesn't understand the difference between personal opinions and facts.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Shhhh, CE doesn't understand the difference between personal opinions and facts.

Wow, sums up 90% of the bad statements in topics like these.
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