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Maze_
06/02/17 6:34:48 AM
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Of the lot.








Been rewatching the collection recently and it's incredibly how much Alien and Aliens hold up. Especially Alien which is a textbook case of "They don't make movies like this anymore." like 30 minutes of Alien is just a slow build of atmosphere and tension before anything even happens.

I also I forgot just how bad Alien 3 is. All of the flack Resurrection and Prometheus gets seems so bizarre to me when you compare it to Alien 3.

But does CE agree? What do you think?

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Also it's funny how the plot of every single Alien's movie from the original all the way to Prometheus is centered around the core of the crew being complete idiots who make terrible decisions and do stupid things. Just for fun, imagine what an Alien movie would be like the if the crew were compotent.
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FighterStreet
06/02/17 6:38:22 AM
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Alien 1 and prometheus (only because it is visually stunning)

the rest of the films are horrible

i thought alien 2 was good from memory, but 1 hour HALFWAY into the film they've barely even introduced the alien.
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Maze_
06/02/17 6:40:01 AM
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FighterStreet posted...


i thought alien 2 was good from memory, but 1 hour HALFWAY into the film they've barely even introduced the alien.

That's what I like though. It was the same in Alien 1 (well 50 minutes)

They actually make the alien seem like a big deal.
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FighterStreet
06/02/17 6:42:20 AM
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Maze_ posted...
FighterStreet posted...


i thought alien 2 was good from memory, but 1 hour HALFWAY into the film they've barely even introduced the alien.

That's what I like though. It was the same in Alien 1 (well 50 minutes)

They actually make the alien seem like a big deal.

except that it isnt even good build up. most of it is unwitty dialogue between soliders and riply brooding off into the distance. the reality is that the film is just poorly paced

the films are extraordinarily overrated, as is ridley scott. the standards for movies has really improved over the years which is why everything ridley scott releases is trash nowadays
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Maze_
06/02/17 7:10:02 AM
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FighterStreet posted...

except that it isnt even good build up. most of it is unwitty dialogue between soliders and riply brooding off into the distance. the reality is that the film is just poorly paced

the films are extraordinarily overrated, as is ridley scott. the standards for movies has really improved over the years which is why everything ridley scott releases is trash nowadays

I disagree.

The first film especially, the slow build was fantastic.

Aliens has less tension but I still like the build. The point about the soliders was to build the frustration among Ripley and the knowing audience that the marines are so full of themselves and confident when they have no idea what they are getting themselves into and are lambs heading to slaughter.

It's also needed to show Ripley's development, she chose to go on the trip out of fear and closure. Then she sat back and first but when shit hit the fan she chose to get involved and ended up saving the day. By the end of the movie she's an action hero and it's still consistant with being just a random woman in Aliens 1.

I much prefer the slow build to the modern day just throw explosions and action.

If the movie had started and Ripley + the marines were having firefights with exploing aliens 14 minutes in then the movie would be at best medicore. I think the pacing is fine
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Kitt
06/02/17 7:12:40 AM
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The movies never did it for me. I still find it hard to believe that people find those things scary.
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YookaLaylee
06/02/17 7:13:30 AM
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I've only seen alien vs predator and Prometheus. Both were bad
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Maze_
06/02/17 7:26:27 AM
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Kitt posted...
The movies never did it for me. I still find it hard to believe that people find those things scary.

Only the first one is supposed to be scary.
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Kitt
06/02/17 7:28:04 AM
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Maze_ posted...
Kitt posted...
The movies never did it for me. I still find it hard to believe that people find those things scary.

Only the first one is supposed to be scary.

That's even funnier.
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Maze_
06/02/17 7:38:22 AM
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I actually think the effects for the original Alien movie hold up pretty well.
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giantblimpN7
06/02/17 7:39:18 AM
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Kitt posted...
Maze_ posted...
Kitt posted...
The movies never did it for me. I still find it hard to believe that people find those things scary.

Only the first one is supposed to be scary.

That's even funnier.

I mean are any movies actually scary?
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Kitt
06/02/17 7:40:49 AM
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giantblimpN7 posted...
Kitt posted...
Maze_ posted...
Kitt posted...
The movies never did it for me. I still find it hard to believe that people find those things scary.

Only the first one is supposed to be scary.

That's even funnier.

I mean are any movies actually scary?

Not to me at least. Especially not Alien.
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Darkman124
06/02/17 7:50:53 AM
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to most people alien is scary
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Kitt
06/02/17 7:51:48 AM
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Darkman124 posted...
to most people alien is scary

lol
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masterpug53
06/02/17 8:08:40 AM
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FighterStreet posted...
Alien 1 and prometheus (only because it is visually stunning)

the rest of the films are horrible

i thought alien 2 was good from memory, but 1 hour HALFWAY into the film they've barely even introduced the alien.


Came in to say that this is a major problem with Aliens (2). I tried to rewatch it a few months ago and was pretty shocked with how boring the first hour or so is. The slow-burning intro in the sequel had no business being that long; the viewer already knows what the aliens look like, and knows exactly what the crew is going to find there. Tension quickly becomes boredom / impatience in this case.
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The Admiral
06/02/17 8:12:18 AM
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First two are the best.

Prometheus is also great, IMO. I've had several people rave to me about the Agent 9 recut, which apparently edits the film to be more coherent while adding in some of the better deleted scenes from the Blu-Ray. Going to check that out at some point.
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Maze_
06/02/17 8:16:36 AM
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Prometheus gets a bum rap in my mind. Sure it's not as good as Alien or Aliens but it's far superior to 3 or Resurrection.
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stoltenberg11
06/02/17 8:16:53 AM
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FighterStreet posted...
the standards for movies has really improved over the years

lol

Went with Alien slightly over Aliens. I prefer the survival horror feel of it to the more action horror vibe of Aliens, though the queen xeno is a terrifying fucking badass monster.
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Ruvan22
06/02/17 2:45:44 PM
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YookaLaylee posted...
I've only seen alien vs predator and Prometheus. Both were bad


You poor soul
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UnholyMudcrab
06/02/17 2:48:10 PM
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Maze_ posted...
Prometheus gets a bum rap in my mind. Sure it's not as good as Alien or Aliens but it's far superior to 3 or Resurrection.

Prometheus is one of those movies where the characters have to be idiots to advance the plot, and that doesn't sit well with me
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KILBOTz
06/02/17 2:48:46 PM
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Aliens DC > Alien theatrical > Aliens theatrical > Alien DC
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AsucaHayashi
06/02/17 2:51:26 PM
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like 2 the best.

action-focused but still has that creepy factor which satisfied my horror needs.
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Maze_
06/03/17 6:23:59 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Maze_ posted...
Prometheus gets a bum rap in my mind. Sure it's not as good as Alien or Aliens but it's far superior to 3 or Resurrection.

Prometheus is one of those movies where the characters have to be idiots to advance the plot, and that doesn't sit well with me

This is true but it's true of literally every Alien movie.

The characters (except Ripley and to a lesser extent Hicks) are all completely incompetent idiots doing stupid things.

Think about it, The entire plot of Aliens stems from no one questing Ash, Kane sticking his fat fingers and face in the alien egg despite finding corpses earlier and being alone. Dallas completely ignoring quarantine procedures because he doesn't feel like it. Followed by all the repeated times they split up.

Hell in Aliens the fact that the marines are idiots especially Hudson and Gorman is literally part of the plot and Burke isn't far behind.

And let's not even touch on 3 or Resurrection where everyone is an idiot including Ripley.

Like I said in the OP, try to imagine an Alien movie were the crew weren't idiots.
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Maze_
06/05/17 12:54:50 AM
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I'm slightly regretting not just asking "What's better Alien or Aliens" as CE seems completely spilt on that
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MabusIncarnate
06/05/17 12:57:13 AM
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Aliens without a doubt for me.

Game over man, game over!
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joe40001
06/05/17 1:00:20 AM
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I will say that I really like how Alien Covenant completely re-wrote Prometheus for me.

Now Prometheus and Alien Covenant are just
David: The secret asshole Part 1
and
David: The secret asshole Part 2


For best it's going to be Alien or Aliens. Probably Aliens.
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Maze_
06/05/17 1:02:46 AM
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joe40001 posted...
Alien Covenant

I still haven't seen that. I want to though
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joe40001
06/05/17 1:15:30 AM
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Maze_ posted...
joe40001 posted...
Alien Covenant

I still haven't seen that. I want to though


I'm not recommending it but it is better than Prometheus because it has a real plot that makes both it and Prometheus make more sense.

To me, Passengers was a much better movie than Alien Covenant or Prometheus. Alient Covenant is basically 2 movies, one of which is good.
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The Admiral
06/05/17 1:19:32 AM
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joe40001 posted...
I will say that I really like how Alien Covenant completely re-wrote Prometheus for me.


What did it rewrite? I thought it complemented the themes from Prometheus very well.
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TheDarkCircle
06/05/17 1:22:26 AM
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Ok who are the class clowns that voted for Alien: Resurrection?
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Shadowplay
06/05/17 1:22:31 AM
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The Admiral posted...
I've had several people rave to me about the Agent 9 recut, which apparently edits the film to be more coherent while adding in some of the better deleted scenes from the Blu-Ray.

I kindly thank you for alerting us to the existence of this.
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Maze_
06/05/17 1:24:41 AM
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Shadowplay posted...
The Admiral posted...
I've had several people rave to me about the Agent 9 recut, which apparently edits the film to be more coherent while adding in some of the better deleted scenes from the Blu-Ray.

I kindly thank you for alerting us to the existence of this.

It's worth noting that pretty much every Aliens movie has an extened additional "Directors/special cut" that is considered better than the original.

Although IMO i still think the original Alien version is better than the directors cut. "Let's take out half of the slow build and add in Ripley getting slapped and the movie is better!" if you say so....
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kuwab0
06/05/17 1:24:45 AM
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TheDarkCircle posted...
Ok who are the class clowns that voted for Prometheus?

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Maze_
06/05/17 1:28:37 AM
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TheDarkCircle posted...
Ok who are the class clowns that voted for Alien: Resurrection?

mEh it's probably the most "fun" Aliens movie in it's campy stupidity.

IF you don't like the lore and slow build and just want fun dumb hollywood movie it's the best one in that regard.

You laugh while watching Ressurrection.
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joe40001
06/05/17 1:29:57 AM
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The Admiral posted...
joe40001 posted...
I will say that I really like how Alien Covenant completely re-wrote Prometheus for me.


What did it rewrite? I thought it complemented the themes from Prometheus very well.


Spoilers!
Before Alien Covenant, everybody in Prometheus was just doing random shit and being dumb for no real reason, after Alien Covenant it becomes clear that the whole time, David is just a secret asshole, and his actions as as a secret asshole drive a lot of the story.

Movies need plot, and Prometheus was just something that was kinda pretty and rambled adjacent to some ideas/themes, but from a plot standpoint it's not clear why any of the characters acted how they did. The plot was trash. Post Alien Covenant David is put in a much clearer light that makes him at least be behaving in Prometheus in a way that makes sense

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Maze_
06/06/17 1:36:10 PM
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kuwab0 posted...
TheDarkCircle posted...
Ok who are the class clowns that voted for Prometheus?

Prometheus was okay.

Had amazing sets and doesn't afraid of anything
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SuperExcitebike
06/06/17 1:36:44 PM
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Alien

Horror > action
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