Current Events > There is little that offends me more than Bernouts who voted for Trump.

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Say for a second that you actually believe Bernie's policies would help people, bring prosperity to the working class, account for economic unfairness or whatever.

Now imagine Bernie loses to another Democrat, so in a spat of childish emotional rage you refuse to vote for the winner and instead vote for Trump, who is actively against the initiatives you had thought would help the country and the working class.

They actively voted AGAINST the working class they wanted to help out of spite. Actively left them in their apparently shit situation for four more years. Could you imagine a Bernout justifying that in their mind? It's sick.
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Glad to be of service!

I voted for Bernie then Trump because Hillary is the scum of the earth. I knew the ramifications of repubs getting full control in my decision making but still worth it, she never deserved a turn.

In hindsight I'm also kind of glad the DNC screwed Bernie because he turned out to be just like other politicians, corrupt, even though his message was anti-corruption.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Glad to be of service!

I voted for Bernie then Trump because Hillary is the scum of the earth. I knew the ramifications of repubs getting full control in my decision making but still worth it, she never deserved a turn.

Exactly. But you believed in Bernie's policies and were willing to throw your beliefs away to spite Hillary?
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So people should vote your way, because?
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bretonftw posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Glad to be of service!

I voted for Bernie then Trump because Hillary is the scum of the earth. I knew the ramifications of repubs getting full control in my decision making but still worth it, she never deserved a turn.

Exactly. But you believed in Bernie's policies and were willing to throw your beliefs away to spite Hillary?

His policies were never in line with hers, he claimed he wanted to bust down the mega banks and stop dirty money coming in to DC. She loves the mega banks and all that sweet corruption money. Also he was going to legalize it and she never in a million years would.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Glad to be of service!

I voted for Bernie then Trump because Hillary is the scum of the earth. I knew the ramifications of repubs getting full control in my decision making but still worth it, she never deserved a turn.

In hindsight I'm also kind of glad the DNC screwed Bernie because he turned out to be just like other politicians, corrupt, even though his message was anti-corruption.

This is literally me. Except I don't think Bernie is corrupt. He just bent the knee to Hillary and that pissed me off along with the DNC rigging. So fuck them. They're just as bad as the republicans and they deserve everything they got
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voldothegr8 posted...

bretonftw posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Glad to be of service!

I voted for Bernie then Trump because Hillary is the scum of the earth. I knew the ramifications of repubs getting full control in my decision making but still worth it, she never deserved a turn.

Exactly. But you believed in Bernie's policies and were willing to throw your beliefs away to spite Hillary?

His policies were never in line with hers, he claimed he wanted to bust down the mega banks and stop dirty money coming in to DC. She loves the mega banks and all that sweet corruption money.

As opposed to donald?

Mark_DeRosa posted...

They're just as bad as the republicans and they deserve everything they got

In what respects.

CruelBuffalo posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

bretonftw posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Glad to be of service!

I voted for Bernie then Trump because Hillary is the scum of the earth. I knew the ramifications of repubs getting full control in my decision making but still worth it, she never deserved a turn.

Exactly. But you believed in Bernie's policies and were willing to throw your beliefs away to spite Hillary?

His policies were never in line with hers, he claimed he wanted to bust down the mega banks and stop dirty money coming in to DC. She loves the mega banks and all that sweet corruption money.

As opposed to donald?

TPP was my deciding factor, one was going to trash it while the other was going to "slightly" modify it then pass that shit asap.
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voldothegr8 posted...

bretonftw posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Glad to be of service!

I voted for Bernie then Trump because Hillary is the scum of the earth. I knew the ramifications of repubs getting full control in my decision making but still worth it, she never deserved a turn.

Exactly. But you believed in Bernie's policies and were willing to throw your beliefs away to spite Hillary?

His policies were never in line with hers, he claimed he wanted to bust down the mega banks and stop dirty money coming in to DC. She loves the mega banks and all that sweet corruption money. Also he was going to legalize it and she never in a million years would.

Forget about that nonsense. Did you think Bernie would make the quality of life of people better? Did you think Trump was more likely to follow these policies than Hillary?

OH, a TPP hater. Why do you hate the global poor?
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It's easier to understand and accept when you realize that it's a bunch of straight white 20-somethings who did it. These people who are under the impression that both parties are as bad as each other, or who don't quite understand the privilege they have.
Either that or people who fell for 20+ years of conservative propaganda against Clinton.
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Punishing the party that covers part of your ideology by replacing them with the party the exact opposite of your ideology seems like a bad way to go.
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voldothegr8 posted...

TPP was my deciding factor, one was going to trash it while the other was going to "slightly" modify it then pass that shit asap.

You know he's pushing more free trade with China correct?
What specificallly did you not like about the TPP

voldothegr8 posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

bretonftw posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Glad to be of service!

I voted for Bernie then Trump because Hillary is the scum of the earth. I knew the ramifications of repubs getting full control in my decision making but still worth it, she never deserved a turn.

Exactly. But you believed in Bernie's policies and were willing to throw your beliefs away to spite Hillary?

His policies were never in line with hers, he claimed he wanted to bust down the mega banks and stop dirty money coming in to DC. She loves the mega banks and all that sweet corruption money.

As opposed to donald?

TPP was my deciding factor, one was going to trash it while the other was going to "slightly" modify it then pass that shit asap.

I bet Trump will pass the worst parts of TPP attached to something else. He's so corporate of course he'd like them to be able to sue governments.
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Hinakuluiau posted...

It's easier to understand and accept when you realize that it's a bunch of straight white 20-somethings who did it. These people who are under the impression that both parties are as bad as each other, or who don't quite understand the privilege they have.
Either that or people who fell for 20+ years of conservative propaganda against Clinton.

Not white, I am straight not sure why that matters. I've let my girlfriend peg me does that count.

I am not privileged. I grew up in ghettos of Chicago watching my best friends get killed in school by rival gangs. Since 18 I've been in the army and have gone overseas I work a hard and demanding job now too.

Quit assuming shit like you know it all. People just have different views than you. Doesn't mean they're white straight Nazi 4channers
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Why do people hate TPP again?
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Iodine posted...

Why do people hate TPP again?

1: It makes it easier for large companies to send jobs overseas - The TPP includes terms that reduce the risks and costs of relocating production to other countries, including countries that still condone slavery and/or have minimum wages as low as 65 cents per hour. What this means is that companies remaining in the U.S. will have to compete with even more countries that can provide even cheaper labor.

2: The Trans-Pacific Partnership has no expiration date - The significant majority of bills passed in congress have an expiration date. The purpose of this is to ensure that if a law does not function as intended or has unintended consequences, it will eventually expire unless an extension is passed in Congress. The TPP does not require that.

3: Congress has no say in whether or not a new country joins the TPP - The executive branch alone (i.e. The President) would negotiate the terms and conditions for new countries to join the TPP, and then would vote (along with all other member countries, as part of a "TPP Commission") as to whether or not the new country be allowed to join.

3a: Fortunately, it appears the TPP has been amended, because in previous versions, the TPP Commission would have been composed of CEOs of participating businesses who would then decide which countries may join and would even author new amendments to the TPP, which could then be voted on but not amended by Congress. I can't find that stipulation in the analyses of the current version, so I assume that provision has been removed.

4: Environmental Safety - Previous Free Trade Agreements have required all member countries to "adopt, maintain, and implement" seven core Multilateral Environmental Agreements. The TPP includes these agreements, but only requires member countries to fulfill one of the seven and has weak obligations for enforcing it. Not only does this allow partner countries to pick and choose which environmental safety regulations to participate in, it already directly violates more than one of our own United States laws. Furthermore, it has 0 provisions to prevent further Climate Change (meaning American companies who move production overseas enjoy the added benefit of avoiding all environmental regulations in United States law) and it would require the Department of Energy to automatically approve all Natural Gas exports to member nations.

5: National Security Exceptions - Previous trade agreements included a Security Exception that allowed countries could "opt out," so to speak, of specific provisions of those trade agreements if those provisions endangered national security. The TPP includes includes this same Security Exception, but waters it down to the point that it has little to no legal power.

6: Financial Services Tribunals - The TPP would grant banks doing business in multiple countries the right to create Extrajudicial Tribunals to enforce a shady and obscure "minimum standard of treatment" for foreign investors. The oversimplified explanation of this is that foreign banks would be allowed to sue the United States Government for taxpayer dollars if U.S. law prevented them from making as much money as they want however they want.

7: Medicine Patents and Extensions - The TPP would grant medical corporations exclusivity to new drugs and medical procedures for up to five years from the time of their invention (meaning those companies would hold a monopoly on that new drug or service for that time period). This is not new to U.S. law (and is a common source of the outrageous prices Americans pay for medical treatments), but most proposed member countries do not currently have laws like this and the TPP would force them to.

Should I keep going
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I gave a lot of money to bernie and phonebanked for him

I voted for gary johnson in the general, though, and Id do it again
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Me reading this topic:
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Balrog0 posted...

I gave a lot of money to bernie and phonebanked for him

I voted for gary johnson in the general, though, and Id do it again

Everyone prefers that you voted for Gary instead of Trump.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Everyone prefers that you voted for Gary instead of Trump.

I mean

end result is the same tho
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Balrog0 posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

Everyone prefers that you voted for Gary instead of Trump.

I mean

end result is the same tho

So? Hindsight is 20/20.
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I'm not a Bernie fan but if I had to vote for someone in that election besides Trump, it would be Bernie
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Bernie won the primaries. People wanted him more.

The establishment cheated to get their person in, and the people said no, and voted Trump in.
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Steve Nick posted...

Bernie won the primaries. People wanted him more.

There's not really, well, evidence of this.
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In general I have little respect for single issue voters or voters who vote on identity rather than policy.
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pinky0926 posted...

In general I have little respect for single issue voters.

Non-establishment is not single issue
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Clinton was a republican at heart. So if you wanted Sanders in, you had a choice of a republican, closet republican, or independent.
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Mark_DeRosa posted...

The TPP includes terms that reduce the risks and costs of relocating production to other countries, including countries that still condone slavery and/or have minimum wages as low as 65 cents per hour.

If only there was some kind of deal across the Pacific that would improve their working conditions.

On top of that 2-5 aren't real arguments as to it being BAD, 6 is blatant propaganda and 7 is almost a non-issue as to drug prices.
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Get over it.
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bretonftw posted...

Mark_DeRosa posted...

The TPP includes terms that reduce the risks and costs of relocating production to other countries, including countries that still condone slavery and/or have minimum wages as low as 65 cents per hour.

If only there was some kind of deal across the Pacific that would improve their working conditions.

The TPP didn't have that from what I glanced over.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

bretonftw posted...

Mark_DeRosa posted...

The TPP includes terms that reduce the risks and costs of relocating production to other countries, including countries that still condone slavery and/or have minimum wages as low as 65 cents per hour.

If only there was some kind of deal across the Pacific that would improve their working conditions.

The TPP didn't have that from what I glanced over.

Here ya go:

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/TPP-Final-Text-Labour.pdf
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Antifar posted...

Steve Nick posted...

Bernie won the primaries. People wanted him more.

There's not really, well, evidence of this.

That opinion is self conciliatory bullshit, with no basis in reality. Don't use kids gloves just because we think we can offer dispossessed and willfully delusional Bernie supporters an olive branch. If they couldn't listen to Bernie's own request that they unite to prevent the GOP from taking the WH, their devotion to Bernie's ideals were only ever lip service.
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voldothegr8 posted...

I voted for Bernie then Trump because Hillary is the scum of the earth. I knew the ramifications of repubs getting full control in my decision making but still worth it, she never deserved a turn.

talking about cutting off your nose to spite your face
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Doom_Art posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

I voted for Bernie then Trump because Hillary is the scum of the earth. I knew the ramifications of repubs getting full control in my decision making but still worth it, she never deserved a turn.

talking about cutting off your nose to spite your face

Like y'all were doing supporting literal human garbage Hillary Clinton?
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voldothegr8 posted...

Doom_Art posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

I voted for Bernie then Trump because Hillary is the scum of the earth. I knew the ramifications of repubs getting full control in my decision making but still worth it, she never deserved a turn.

talking about cutting off your nose to spite your face

Like y'all were doing supporting literal human garbage Hillary Clinton?

Google idiom.
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From a left point of view, I still think Hillary would have been a much better problem to have than Trump. Now, there's a case that his victory and presidency so far has inspired an urgency and a mobilization of the left that wouldn't have been present under Clinton, but I don't think that outweighs the harms he will do.
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Selfish morons come in all political stripes.

It's a shame that they're too dumb to see how they're masterful plan of "making the dems reform" isn't going to work.

But at least they didn't sully their ballot by voting for the woman that looks bad almost solely because of GOP propaganda and ideological purists.


Even tho I share about 85% of their political positions, I found that I fucking hate liberals.
You either get SJWs, BernieBusters, or above-it-all-purists "I vote dem but am too snowflaky to join the party, I'm better than that"

As a left leaning moderate, as an adult, modern politics fucking vexes me. Voters are insufferable twits and non-voters and loud insufferable twits that are poisoning the national conversation.

Fuck it I'm going full Kasperian, if you didn't vote Hillary, I am* just better than you.
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I didn't vote Trump I voted Johnson. I live on CA and have the luxury of voting whoever I want and knowing it doesn't matter.

I wanted Bernie to win. My reasoning was that he was the only one who actually seemed to care. I didn't agree with a lot of his policies and doubted he'd get many of his grand plans passed and in my mind he was better than Hillary or Trump who I think were both only running to stroke their ego.

Now I can think of many reasons to go from Bernie to Trump.

Someone like me who thinks Bernie wouldn't accomplish a whole lot but that the system needed to be shaken up. Once Bernie was beat Hillary was status quote and Trump still shakes things up.

Someone who wanted to show the DNC that they wouldnt put up with their shit and if they were going to rig primaries their not gonna play ball. 4 years of Trump being the sacrifice to force the DNC to listen.

Someone who is truly a progressive that sees the USA eventually moving towards a more European style and sees Hillary as just enough to placate people. So where Hillary is a step or two forward and that's not enough. So you vote Trump taking 4 steps back hoping that will swing a pendulum the other direction in 4 years and yet a candidate that will take 10 steps forwards.

Im not saying I particularly agree with any of these but they're all reasonable and thought out r reasons I can see for going Bernie to Trump. I doubt many people went Bernie to trump and bet most just stayed home.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

the woman that looks bad almost solely because of GOP propaganda and ideological purists.

You can miss me with this bullshit.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

above-it-all-purists "I vote dem but am too snowflaky to join the party, I'm better than that"

It's not like you have to vote for the party you joined on the ballot either. I really don't get this complaint, because party registration really only matters for the primaries.
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I voted for Jill Stein not because I agree with her, but because I wanted a protest vote against the DNC for giving Bernie no chance and putting everything behind Clinton.

However, I did so because I live in NY, where you could slap a D on a sack of potatoes and we'd still vote for it. If I lived in a swing state I may have had to bite the bullet and vote for Clinton.

In no circumstances, however, was I ever going to vote Trump.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

almost solely because of GOP propaganda and ideological purists.

Pfft, War Hawk flip flopper who just me too-ed everything Bernie said.
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No one who actually believed in anything Bernie promised or represents would have voted Trump. Trump just got the troll voters who were only interested in Bernie as a disruptor. Same as Nader supporters.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

above-it-all-purists "I vote dem but am too snowflaky to join the party, I'm better than that"

It's not like you have to vote for the party you joined on the ballot either. I really don't get this complaint, because party registration really only matters for the primaries.

The complaint from me or people that refuse to join parties?
I only complain because THEY complain about party leadership n shit and whined about the closed primaries. If they don't want to be a Dem, I'm not going to twist their arm but they need to know and accept the fucking reality of what parties are even fucking for.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

above-it-all-purists "I vote dem but am too snowflaky to join the party, I'm better than that"

It's not like you have to vote for the party you joined on the ballot either. I really don't get this complaint, because party registration really only matters for the primaries.

The complaint from me or people that refuse to join parties?
I only complain because THEY complain about party leadership n shit and whined about the closed primaries. If they don't want to be a Dem, I'm not going to twist their arm but they need to know and accept the fucking reality of what parties are even fucking for.

From you, because you came off as someone upset by people voting for a party, but refusing to join that party.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

above-it-all-purists "I vote dem but am too snowflaky to join the party, I'm better than that"

It's not like you have to vote for the party you joined on the ballot either. I really don't get this complaint, because party registration really only matters for the primaries.

The complaint from me or people that refuse to join parties?
I only complain because THEY complain about party leadership n shit and whined about the closed primaries. If they don't want to be a Dem, I'm not going to twist their arm but they need to know and accept the fucking reality of what parties are even fucking for.

in my state we have open primaries so you can just suck it.
with all respect, my friend
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Pfft, War Hawk flip flopper who just me too-ed everything Bernie said.

"War hawk"

Oh no she voted with every other fucking senator sans one on going to war we were con'd into!
Oh no she tried to be proactive in HELPING civilians overthrow their authoritarian oppressive shit-hole dictatorships by following Obama's lead on the Arab spring. She might be naively optimistic, she might believe in actually defending our country unlike the radical left, but she ain't a hawk.
WAHHHHHH WAHHHHHH

Grow up.

Donald "bomb their families and torture them" Trump ANY less of a fucking hawk?
Donald "I'll destroy ISIS in 100 days" Trump isn't a hawk?
Donald "subs to North Korea, re-escalating the war in Afghanistan/Iran, and getting us deeper into Syria" Trump isn't a hawk?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Oh no she voted with every other fucking senator sans one on going to war we were con'd into!

the resolution on the iraq war was opposed by a lot more than 1 senator. which vote are you talking about?
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