Board 8 > turbopuns mafia topic 4: why so serial?

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VeryInsane
05/27/17 10:23:36 PM
#51:


Nanahara715 posted...
VeryInsane posted...
Being the first to mention backups doesn't mean shit


VeryInsane posted...
Like you assume that scum doesn't already have some knowledge of what a "vanilla" claim would look like

Puns isn't gonna leave scum in the dark like that


1) who are you talking to?


You and people who are suggesting backups being mentioned is town
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Lolo_Guru
05/27/17 10:27:41 PM
#52:


Votals

Death [2]: (Ben), Nana, Doom
Brohan [2]: MZero, Ben
MZero [2]: Sceptile, Ulti
Nana [1]: VI
Doom [0]: (Sceptile)
Sceptile [0]: (Nana), (Doom)
VI [0]: (Sceptile), (Ulti)

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MZero11
05/27/17 10:35:03 PM
#54:


UltimaterializerX posted...
When did MZero claim?


a few pages after you did
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MZero11
05/27/17 10:37:26 PM
#56:


topic 1 page 8 if that makes things easier!
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 10:38:10 PM
#57:


VeryInsane posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
VeryInsane posted...
Being the first to mention backups doesn't mean shit


VeryInsane posted...
Like you assume that scum doesn't already have some knowledge of what a "vanilla" claim would look like

Puns isn't gonna leave scum in the dark like that


1) who are you talking to?


You and people who are suggesting backups being mentioned is town


2) Where do I suggest this?

3) Why single me out and not Ulti?
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MZero11
05/27/17 10:49:21 PM
#59:


Well I didn't claim it outright but I'm sure most could piece it together. At first Gran insinuated I would be a vanilla as Ninja anyway due to not having an ability, to which I said "Who said I don't?"

Then last page of last topic I revealed that I only claimed half my role originally (which shouldn't be surprising)
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:01:43 PM
#62:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Mental note that Terra is posting much less than I'm accustomed to seeing.


Terra's town so it doesn't really matter
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:03:41 PM
#63:


Anyways, ##Unvote
##Vote: Ulti


My town play speaks for itself. The fact that Ulti, who has played with both scum and town Nana, has any aspirations that I'm not town AND IS USING OTHER PLAYER'S WHO ARE LESS FAMILIAR WITH ME'S REASONS in order to justify a vote is scummy as fuck.
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:04:15 PM
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Like, Ulti literally says "Oh Chris says this about Nana and I agree so [vote]"
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DoomTheGyarados
05/27/17 11:05:34 PM
#66:


In fairness my note on you wasn't even alignment determining, I just thought you flew off the handle.
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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 11:06:25 PM
#67:


I don't remember Nana coming off as really emotional in Chrono Cross Mafia, myself. He came off as obvtown really early in that game with some really incisive comments and analysis. That is one thing I don't particularly see from him. One of his main suspects is me, so it's somewhat understandable that I would not find his arguments very convincing this time around. I also don't like him going after death, who is a player I continue to feel good about.
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eaedwards6400
05/27/17 11:07:02 PM
#68:


I'm surprised there aren't more people busy with the three day weekend like I am. I am curious about anyone who is not Serial. I feel like the serial of the claim is part of the pattern. Also, Nana, in a post that was not his claim VI said that he was a 1 use lightning rod and he suspects all power are one use to make them basically vanilla which sounds like a solid theory
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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 11:07:15 PM
#69:


That said I am still more interested in lynching MZero and Chris, and Nana is not the only person in the second tier of my suspects.
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MZero11
05/27/17 11:08:12 PM
#71:


Wasn't he the guy that kept posting in all-caps and bold Day 1? Or am I thinking of someone else?
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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 11:08:38 PM
#72:


We have to keep in mind that scum probably knows about the serial gimmick too, so they could potentially invent some roles that fit in.

Really what stands out as odd here are all the Serial Backups. Not sure I get what that accomplishes.
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:08:41 PM
#73:


Sceptilesolar posted...
I don't remember Nana coming off as really emotional in Chrono Cross Mafia, myself. He came off as obvtown really early in that game with some really incisive comments and analysis. That is one thing I don't particularly see from him. One of his main suspects is me, so it's somewhat understandable that I would not find his arguments very convincing this time around. I also don't like him going after death, who is a player I continue to feel good about.


Man, this post reminds me of Oddity last game.

also calling my comments from last game incisive when I spent the entire first two days voting for / trying to lynch town tracker and lynch PJ on incorrect flavor meta
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DoomTheGyarados
05/27/17 11:09:07 PM
#74:


Sceptilesolar posted...
That said I am still more interested in lynching MZero and Chris, and Nana is not the only person in the second tier of my suspects.


Pfft, you practically love me at this point. Come give Chris a hug.
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:10:00 PM
#75:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Gee, it's the least surprising countervote of all time, and also one of the scummiest. Flipping out to that degree and getting that defensive over absolutely nothing is simply not your high standard of town play.

You're also calling Terra town with no actual justification. It's not like you could have scanned him night 1 given VI's role.

(Note that I am not calling Terra scum, before Nana "magically" says I am ~_^)


I already justified LITERALLY PAGE ONE OF THIS TOPIC why I think Terra is town.
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:10:31 PM
#76:


Sceptilesolar posted...
We have to keep in mind that scum probably knows about the serial gimmick too, so they could potentially invent some roles that fit in.

Really what stands out as odd here are all the Serial Backups. Not sure I get what that accomplishes.


There's one serial backup claim.
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:12:56 PM
#77:


Hey VI do I really need to keep asking:

Nanahara715 posted...
VeryInsane posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
VeryInsane posted...
Being the first to mention backups doesn't mean shit


VeryInsane posted...
Like you assume that scum doesn't already have some knowledge of what a "vanilla" claim would look like

Puns isn't gonna leave scum in the dark like that


1) who are you talking to?


You and people who are suggesting backups being mentioned is town


2) Where do I suggest this?

3) Why single me out and not Ulti?

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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 11:14:09 PM
#79:


Nanahara715 posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
I don't remember Nana coming off as really emotional in Chrono Cross Mafia, myself. He came off as obvtown really early in that game with some really incisive comments and analysis. That is one thing I don't particularly see from him. One of his main suspects is me, so it's somewhat understandable that I would not find his arguments very convincing this time around. I also don't like him going after death, who is a player I continue to feel good about.


Man, this post reminds me of Oddity last game.

also calling my comments from last game incisive when I spent the entire first two days voting for / trying to lynch town tracker and lynch PJ on incorrect flavor meta


I forget. What about Oddity last game?

I guess strictly speaking you were wrong about a lot of things still, but thinking your argument is right is a lot like it being actually right in terms of seeming towny.
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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 11:15:36 PM
#80:


Nanahara715 posted...
Sceptilesolar posted...
We have to keep in mind that scum probably knows about the serial gimmick too, so they could potentially invent some roles that fit in.

Really what stands out as odd here are all the Serial Backups. Not sure I get what that accomplishes.


There's one serial backup claim.


Hm, you're right. I misremembered death's claim. That does make eaed look a little odd here.
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DoomTheGyarados
05/27/17 11:17:34 PM
#82:


I uh, appreciate the endorsement Ulti. Probably true even. But I didn't really think it was an alignment thing for sure.
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MZero11
05/27/17 11:17:35 PM
#83:


eaedwards6400 posted...
Also, Nana, in a post that was not his claim VI said that he was a 1 use lightning rod and he suspects all power are one use to make them basically vanilla which sounds like a solid theory


All the power is not one-use because pj already flipped
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DoomTheGyarados
05/27/17 11:18:17 PM
#84:


Where did Terra hint at a doctor claim?
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:19:12 PM
#85:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
Like, Ulti literally says "Oh Chris says this about Nana and I agree so [vote]"

I've played something like 70 games with Chris, and he is quite literally the best player either of us will ever see at cold reading people he has little experience with. If he says you're playing unnaturally, then you're playing unnaturally. There is zero debate to be had on that one.

Sceptilesolar posted...
That said I am still more interested in lynching MZero and Chris, and Nana is not the only person in the second tier of my suspects.

I'm willing to give MZero a day to show us the rest of his role if he has one. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Sure me. Not touching Chris today.

When I have a player who is typically very calm flying off the handle like this, on top of calling people town with no information, they're usually scum. It's not even a difficult read. Like I'm happy to have Terra cleared up here, that's great, but it's a perspective slip.

If someone actually thinks I came off a week-long illness, a week of working two jobs, and a week of micro classes while remembering everything in this game 100% perfectly, then accuses me of being scum with a master plan instead of a completely innocuous error, then they can go get lynched. Nana's play this game adds up to "defensive scum buddying up to Town Terra".


Chris has played ONE game with me EVER, and he was scum so wouldn't really care about my town play. It's excusable for him to think I'm scum based on his perceived play.

You have played MULTIPLE games with me. You have NO EXCUSE for thinking I'm scum and trying to lynch me, so it's obvious you're putting up fake analysis to try to get me lynched and trying to appeal to others by using Chris's thoughts on me DESPITE LITERALLY EVERY OTHER PLAYER EXCEPT MK having more experience with me and my town/scum games.
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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 11:20:06 PM
#86:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Where did Terra hint at a doctor claim?


After no one died, Ben said it was probably him, and Terra just said that it could have been him instead. That has a few interpretations though. Also that would make eaed's role potentially useful if Terra was doctor, and that seems unlikely.
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DoomTheGyarados
05/27/17 11:20:19 PM
#87:


Guys, do you ever feel like you're waving your hands and just kind of being ignored? I just want to point out Ulti and Nana are arguing over the veracity of a read I do not have.
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:20:56 PM
#88:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Where did Terra hint at a doctor claim?


Ben claimed he stopped the kill, Terra immediately came in and said he may have stopped it as well.

It was very fast and reflexive to what Ben said, making it unlikely it was a fake claim / preplanned.
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DoomTheGyarados
05/27/17 11:21:44 PM
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Interesting. I guess we'll have to see if that pans out.
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:22:24 PM
#90:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Guys, do you ever feel like you're waving your hands and just kind of being ignored? I just want to point out Ulti and Nana are arguing over the veracity of a read I do not have.


The veracity is immaterial, the issue is Ulti is trying to appeal to your "authority" as a reason to lynch me when you've literally played only one game with me and have no experience playing with scum Nana vs town Nana
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DoomTheGyarados
05/27/17 11:23:18 PM
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Yes, and the counter to that Nana is probably best summed up as "Chris doesn't even have that read, Ulti" not "Chris has a chance of being wrong."

My authority is pretty awesome in general, but you at least have to cite it correctly.
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Nanahara715
05/27/17 11:25:38 PM
#94:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Chris, how many times has someone played unnaturally as town compared to playing unnaturally as scum? It has to be something like a 10:90 ratio.


Oh man, this is a tee up.

Hey @benjamin3740, @Terra-enforcer, @GranAures - what's "unnatural Nana play" / what is "scum Nana play"?
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DoomTheGyarados
05/27/17 11:26:57 PM
#96:


Ratio's not good but Nana might just be really pissy this week or something. You may have a concrete point but from my recollection you usually do everything in your power to throw me down a flight of stairs and do your best Jesus Christ Superstar impression so while I am all for going "Yeah Chris is a cool guy with some cool reads" for you it is pretty out of character to appeal to me.
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DoomTheGyarados
05/27/17 11:27:51 PM
#97:


UltimaterializerX posted...
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I find it strange that no one is finding Nana's thought process weird and unnatural here.


Topic 1, page 9.

Looks like an accusation of Nana being unnatural to me. I even went and read old posts and everything, which I literally never do.


Yes, but this was attached to a certain theory about the game's setup which was explained later that he had seen backups be essentially vanillas before which lessened the strangeness of his thought process.

You skimmed, didn't you.
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Sceptilesolar
05/27/17 11:29:28 PM
#100:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Sceptile, do you think that's a town read Nana made on page one, or "scum who just knows Terra is town"? You're more unbiased than me on this one.


I'm not sure. Nana's argument is based mostly on the roles, so it's unlikely to be a slip of that sort.
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