Board 8 > turbopuns mafia topic 4: why so serial?

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The role meta being engaged in here is so bad. 'When not if?' The fact that tracker and watcher, which are probably not in this game, are referenced in your role PM, which also has no function? Unless a tracker, watcher, or doc somehow turn out to exist, I see absolutely no point in drawing any conclusions about any of the backup claims.
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So let's drop the role meta and lynch scum AKA Brohan
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Policy lynching Brohan is probably the right play

Death is in the lead yet that train seems so lifeless
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MZero11 posted...

GranAures posted...

I do have a question to ask all our claimed backups though: how does you becoming your main role work?

what do you mean? It's pretty straightforward. If a Ninja dies I get Ninja powers

although tracker and watcher are mentioned directly in my role, so I'm a little more inclined to believe death and Ulti

Cool, 3 out of 5 is good. Doubt I'll get a straight answer out of Ulti over it about as much as part of me doubts he was even a backup anyway and eaed bounced to quickly it seems.

I am a backup, backup bulletproof to be specific. I never actually softclaimed despite Nana's belief. The reason I asked my question is because my role specifically mentions if a player with the listed power dies. I think what @htaeD might have been getting at is that our potential abilities would not need to be linked to a standing individual role but could be linked to a Jack or other Multipower role.
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Votals

Brohan [2]: MZero, Ben
Nana [2]: VI, Ulti
MZero [1]: Sceptile, (Ulti)
Death [1]: (Ben), (Nana), Doom
Ulti [1]: Nana
Doom [0]: (Sceptile)
Sceptile [0]: (Nana), (Doom)
VI [0]: (Sceptile), (Ulti)

8 hours remaining.
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Oh he's not in the lead

##unvote:
##vote: Brohan

Given how Nana tango'd with Ulti last night I'm not as interested in lynching him. Let's pressure Brohan.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

The role meta being engaged in here is so bad. 'When not if?' The fact that tracker and watcher, which are probably not in this game, are referenced in your role PM, which also has no function? Unless a tracker, watcher, or doc somehow turn out to exist, I see absolutely no point in drawing any conclusions about any of the backup claims.

The fact that those roles are mentioned is directly mentioned is worthless, it would just be a description of the Ninja abilities.
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I'm not going to lynch Brohan after MZero went after him out of nowhere.
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Though I would like him to claim.
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The key word is pressure
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VeryInsane posted...

The key word is pressure

You have my axe.
##Vote: Brohan
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VeryInsane posted...

The key word is pressure

Yeah, that's fine. I was just seeing you talking about a policy lynch first. I don't think it's the time for that.
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The day has just been so stagnant, so boring that I kinda want to change it

Such is Memorial Day Weekend
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Sceptilesolar posted...

I'm not going to lynch Brohan after MZero went after him out of nowhere.

out of nowhere my ass. Are you even paying attention? I called him out for low activity day 1.=, and again at the start of Day 2, and when he continued to contribute nothing I finally decided it was time to move. I'm getting really tired of you twisting my play and saying I'm doing things that I'm not
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Actually Brohan did hint power earlier today

Hm
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MZero11 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

I'm not going to lynch Brohan after MZero went after him out of nowhere.

out of nowhere my ass. Are you even paying attention? I called him out for low activity day 1.=, and again at the start of Day 2, and when he continued to contribute nothing I finally decided it was time to move. I'm getting really tired of you twisting my play and saying I'm doing things that I'm not

It's easy to come up with reasons to justify a vote. Throughout the course of the game you've probably said all sorts of people were scummy. That's just normal. Whether your suspicions are consistent with the rest of your play or inconsistent are not that interesting. I'm more concerned with the immediate circumstances surrounding the vote, which I have already expressed as seeming opportunistic.
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MZero who else do you think is scum apart from Brohan
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Also I've been floating around with the idea that scum is extremely small, might be 1 or 2 men given this setup
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VeryInsane posted...

Also I've been floating around with the idea that scum is extremely small, might be 1 or 2 men given this setup

The only way I can see that working is if they both had their own kill.
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has every backup commented now?

GranAures posted...

VeryInsane posted...

The key word is pressure

You have my axe.

and my Lembas bread
I mean

##Vote: Brohan
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VeryInsane posted...

MZero who else do you think is scum apart from Brohan

starting to think Sceptile is scum because he is attacking with reasons that are easily proven false and then ignoring me when I point it out. Reminds me of Kanz in M4 mafia. It seems like Scep is just trying to manufacture suspicion on me
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Sceptilesolar posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Also I've been floating around with the idea that scum is extremely small, might be 1 or 2 men given this setup

The only way I can see that working is if they both had their own kill.

Yeah, there'd have to be a lot of kill power especially with a null n1.
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MZero11 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

MZero who else do you think is scum apart from Brohan

starting to think Sceptile is scum because he is attacking with reasons that are easily proven false and then ignoring me when I point it out. Reminds me of Kanz in M4 mafia. It seems like Scep is just trying to manufacture suspicion on me

I have responded to all of your disagreements in full. You are outright lying.
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That's a good point

Huh.

At least we know scum probably doesn't have a strongman?
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htaeD posted...

has every backup commented now?

GranAures posted...

VeryInsane posted...

The key word is pressure

You have my axe.

and my Lembas bread
I mean

##Vote: Brohan

All Ulti mentioned about was about PMing puns, nothing about his backup activation and eased only posted that once.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

It's easy to come up with reasons to justify a vote. Throughout the course of the game you've probably said all sorts of people were scummy. That's just normal. Whether your suspicions are consistent with the rest of your play or inconsistent are not that interesting. I'm more concerned with the immediate circumstances surrounding the vote, which I have already expressed as seeming opportunistic.

wtf is inconsistent about it

"gee Brohan started off good but hasn't done much since"
"Brohan still isn't doing anything"
"Ok I've given him enough time to pick it up"

It's a very natural progression! Also every point you made about it being opportunistic was objectively false!
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Sceptilesolar posted...

The role meta being engaged in here is so bad. 'When not if?' The fact that tracker and watcher, which are probably not in this game, are referenced in your role PM, which also has no function? Unless a tracker, watcher, or doc somehow turn out to exist, I see absolutely no point in drawing any conclusions about any of the backup claims.

You can't possibly know if this is good or bad meta unless you have additional information.

Like, if Eaed is scum, then yeah - the role meta here was good because his claim was that his role worked differently.

If you're prepared to call this "bad role meta" then you must know more about Eaed's role than you should.
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VeryInsane posted...

That's a good point

Huh.

At least we know scum probably doesn't have a strongman?

YOU know scum probably doesn't have a Strongman.

But no one else can insinuate that.
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MZero11 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

It's easy to come up with reasons to justify a vote. Throughout the course of the game you've probably said all sorts of people were scummy. That's just normal. Whether your suspicions are consistent with the rest of your play or inconsistent are not that interesting. I'm more concerned with the immediate circumstances surrounding the vote, which I have already expressed as seeming opportunistic.

wtf is inconsistent about it

"gee Brohan started off good but hasn't done much since"
"Brohan still isn't doing anything"
"Ok I've given him enough time to pick it up"

It's a very natural progression! Also every point you made about it being opportunistic was objectively false!

No, I didn't say your suspicion was inconsistent, just that consistency wasn't very important because it's easy to create an appearance of it. And no, I still believe the timing of your vote on him and the wording used made it seem very opportunistic.

Nanahara715 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

The role meta being engaged in here is so bad. 'When not if?' The fact that tracker and watcher, which are probably not in this game, are referenced in your role PM, which also has no function? Unless a tracker, watcher, or doc somehow turn out to exist, I see absolutely no point in drawing any conclusions about any of the backup claims.

You can't possibly know if this is good or bad meta unless you have additional information.

Like, if Eaed is scum, then yeah - the role meta here was good because his claim was that his role worked differently.

If you're prepared to call this "bad role meta" then you must know more about Eaed's role than you should.

That makes no sense at all.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

MZero11 posted...

Vote: eaed

He voted Nana over his top scumspect Ben because "Nana had more votes". He actually said this. That is the definition of bandwagonning! and when called on it he backed off and voted Ben. So scummy.

I don't agree. You've got to take what you can get, you know. Better you help lynch one of your top suspects than you leave your vote on your sole top suspect while someone you didn't care about at all gets lynched instead.

Btw you said this yesterday. So why are you fine with eaed voting Nana over his top suspect (Ben) because more people were suspicious of Nana, and yet you're all over me for starting a train on Brohan because it looked "opportunistic". How is it more opportunistic for me to vote someone with no votes who a few people expressed mild suspicion on, but it's just "taking what you can get" for eaed to jump on an established lynch with a few votes already on it
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I finished reading last topic and I'll catch up here when I get a chance sometime later. I saw there was a request for a massclaim, so if enough want me to do so I can claim as well.

Terror-enforcer posted...

I finished reading last topic and I'll catch up here when I get a chance sometime later. I saw there was a request for a massclaim, so if enough want me to do so I can claim as well.

You, Brogan, MZero's "other half," and Ulti's "new role" are all that's left iirc.
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Chris too
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MZero11 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

MZero11 posted...

Vote: eaed

He voted Nana over his top scumspect Ben because "Nana had more votes". He actually said this. That is the definition of bandwagonning! and when called on it he backed off and voted Ben. So scummy.

I don't agree. You've got to take what you can get, you know. Better you help lynch one of your top suspects than you leave your vote on your sole top suspect while someone you didn't care about at all gets lynched instead.

Btw you said this yesterday. So why are you fine with eaed voting Nana over his top suspect (Ben) because more people were suspicious of Nana, and yet you're all over me for starting a train on Brohan because it looked "opportunistic". How is it more opportunistic for me to vote someone with no votes who a few people expressed mild suspicion on, but it's just "taking what you can get" for eaed to jump on an established lynch with a few votes already on it

It is dictated by the circumstances, the specific wording used, the context. As well as the level of suspicion I already had towards him and you at the time of offense.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

I have responded to all of your disagreements in full. You are outright lying.

You said I piggybacked off of you and Chris and when I mentioned that I brought Brohan up before either of you, you said I echoed VI's statement about his activity. But actually VI just said he was tempted to lynch Brohan and nothing about his activity or general lack of contribution, and when I pointed that out you changed the subject to why I wasn't pushing Gran anymore. So yeah you just keep making up new stuff every time I explain why your accusations have no base
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Nanahara715 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

That's a good point

Huh.

At least we know scum probably doesn't have a strongman?

YOU know scum probably doesn't have a Strongman.

But no one else can insinuate that.

What does this mean
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MZero11 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

I have responded to all of your disagreements in full. You are outright lying.

You said I piggybacked off of you and Chris and when I mentioned that I brought Brohan up before either of you, you said I echoed VI's statement about his activity. But actually VI just said he was tempted to lynch Brohan and nothing about his activity or general lack of contribution, and when I pointed that out you changed the subject to why I wasn't pushing Gran anymore. So yeah you just keep making up new stuff every time I explain why your accusations have no base

It's called 'providing additional evidence'.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

MZero11 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

It's easy to come up with reasons to justify a vote. Throughout the course of the game you've probably said all sorts of people were scummy. That's just normal. Whether your suspicions are consistent with the rest of your play or inconsistent are not that interesting. I'm more concerned with the immediate circumstances surrounding the vote, which I have already expressed as seeming opportunistic.

wtf is inconsistent about it

"gee Brohan started off good but hasn't done much since"
"Brohan still isn't doing anything"
"Ok I've given him enough time to pick it up"

It's a very natural progression! Also every point you made about it being opportunistic was objectively false!

No, I didn't say your suspicion was inconsistent, just that consistency wasn't very important because it's easy to create an appearance of it. And no, I still believe the timing of your vote on him and the wording used made it seem very opportunistic.

Nanahara715 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

The role meta being engaged in here is so bad. 'When not if?' The fact that tracker and watcher, which are probably not in this game, are referenced in your role PM, which also has no function? Unless a tracker, watcher, or doc somehow turn out to exist, I see absolutely no point in drawing any conclusions about any of the backup claims.

You can't possibly know if this is good or bad meta unless you have additional information.

Like, if Eaed is scum, then yeah - the role meta here was good because his claim was that his role worked differently.

If you're prepared to call this "bad role meta" then you must know more about Eaed's role than you should.

That makes no sense at all.

You said: "Role meta is bad. When not if?"

That's a response to me calling out Eaedward's claim because his role allegedly functions differently than mine/Ulti/Death/MZero

You called this meta bad.

But you couldn't possibly know the meta is bad UNLESS you know Eaed is town.
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at this rate we might as well massclaim, since we lack a good direction
I'd rather hold mo tongue about the backup tidbit until I hear from Brohan at least
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however I do not have a problem with Eaeds claim on a wording level and not so much technically either, as I cant trust Puns to be super consistent

I recall another backup also claiming to have a second power or something (besides Ulti)
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htaeD posted...

however I do not have a problem with Eaeds claim on a wording level and not so much technically either, as I cant trust Puns to be super consistent

I recall another backup also claiming to have a second power or something (besides Ulti)

MZero
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VeryInsane posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

That's a good point

Huh.

At least we know scum probably doesn't have a strongman?

YOU know scum probably doesn't have a Strongman.

But no one else can insinuate that.

What does this mean

Doesn't mean anything.

In a world where you are scum, scum knows you are a lightning rod and therefore hold their Strongman shot.

Given your alignment is not certain, Strongman is still a realistic option.

If you are town, they probably don't have one.

Given you are the only one who certainly knows your alignment, you're the only one who could assert such a claim.
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htaeD posted...

however I do not have a problem with Eaeds claim on a wording level and not so much technically either, as I cant trust Puns to be super consistent

I recall another backup also claiming to have a second power or something (besides Ulti)

I think saying your role activates "when a doctor dies" is completely different functionality/implication than "if a doctor dies."
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I forget do you think I'm Town or scum (I think you said null but better safe than sorry)
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Nanahara715 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

MZero11 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

It's easy to come up with reasons to justify a vote. Throughout the course of the game you've probably said all sorts of people were scummy. That's just normal. Whether your suspicions are consistent with the rest of your play or inconsistent are not that interesting. I'm more concerned with the immediate circumstances surrounding the vote, which I have already expressed as seeming opportunistic.

wtf is inconsistent about it

"gee Brohan started off good but hasn't done much since"
"Brohan still isn't doing anything"
"Ok I've given him enough time to pick it up"

It's a very natural progression! Also every point you made about it being opportunistic was objectively false!

No, I didn't say your suspicion was inconsistent, just that consistency wasn't very important because it's easy to create an appearance of it. And no, I still believe the timing of your vote on him and the wording used made it seem very opportunistic.

Nanahara715 posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

The role meta being engaged in here is so bad. 'When not if?' The fact that tracker and watcher, which are probably not in this game, are referenced in your role PM, which also has no function? Unless a tracker, watcher, or doc somehow turn out to exist, I see absolutely no point in drawing any conclusions about any of the backup claims.

You can't possibly know if this is good or bad meta unless you have additional information.

Like, if Eaed is scum, then yeah - the role meta here was good because his claim was that his role worked differently.

If you're prepared to call this "bad role meta" then you must know more about Eaed's role than you should.

That makes no sense at all.

You said: "Role meta is bad. When not if?"

That's a response to me calling out Eaedward's claim because his role allegedly functions differently than mine/Ulti/Death/MZero

You called this meta bad.

But you couldn't possibly know the meta is bad UNLESS you know Eaed is town.

No, I can guarantee you your role meta sucks irrespective of the accuracy of its conclusion.
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Nanahara715 posted...

htaeD posted...

however I do not have a problem with Eaeds claim on a wording level and not so much technically either, as I cant trust Puns to be super consistent

I recall another backup also claiming to have a second power or something (besides Ulti)

I think saying your role activates "when a doctor dies" is completely different functionality/implication than "if a doctor dies."

I cant say too much until Eaed gives his own comment
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Initial topic rule reminders

- do not try to meta the roles

- do try to meta the fact that I told you not to meta the roles

- do not try to meta the role pms

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Thanks, figured we were getting into modkillable territory
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VeryInsane posted...

I forget do you think I'm Town or scum (I think you said null but better safe than sorry)

Town unless we see evidence of an unblockable kill later in the game.
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I mean, scum could have just chosen not to use it Night One

It happens more than you think!
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