Current Events > Students demand FIRING professor who refused to participate in ''No Whites Day''

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That_Happened posted...

But I already agreed with that part. Obviously you don't fight an attacking mob with your hands. But again, normal people know how to either 1. diffuse the situation and avoid getting attacked, or 2. how to get out of there before the situation gets too heated, or 3. know when a situation is too heated to even bother showing up. There are other options besides pull out your handgun and start threatening people.

It's pretty fucking sad that this has to be spelled out for people in their 20s and 30s.
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Kineth posted...

just lol. If you're getting into a fight and you escalate it like that, you're fucking clueless, which is nothing new. It's also no surprise that you guys with communication problems fail to realize that pretty much every fight starts with words. If you don't know how to deescalate a situation with your words, or know how to remove yourself from a situation where a fight is imminent, let alone know how to defend yourself, which teaches you that fighting should be the last resort, you're just not prepared to get into a fight, let alone handle a gun.

Oh look, the internet tough guy who claims someone should learn karate before buying a gun is now saying fights can reliably be avoided with words and pulling out a firearm in a fistfight is too much escalation.

Look buddy, if a fight with words has escalated into a fight with fists, it has already escalated to a potentially fatal scenario. Ever seen someone turned into a vegetable because he got hit just three times in the head while his opponent was on top of him? I have, and it's not a scenario anyone should be fucking around with. If you have a chance to de-escalate a situation with a firearm, you should take it. And yes, most cases of defensive use of a firearm don't involve shooting a single bullet for this very reason.

The professor in my OP did all he could to de-escalate the mod with words, and look how it turned out. Obviously I don't think he should have pulled a gun on them, but if they started acting like certain other leftists do and attacked him with bike chains and glass bottles, then I'm willing to bet his chances would be better if he had a gun.

Just saying.
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Mal_Fet posted...

lemme ignore what you said so I can throw a tantrum like a child and whine.

Yeah, cool. You shouldn't have wasted your time making that response.
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I think the problem is that universities & colleges still do on campus housing and grants to live there or nearby. These kids start to get this mindset where they think it's their actual home and try to run s***.

They don't have to worry as much about working to support themselves and therefor have too much free time on their hands to hang around other angsty young adults to come up with this toxic crap.
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It isn't about living in fear or being unable to diffuse the situation with words. It's about knowing that there are idiots out there and knowing that a mob can't always be reasoned with. All I was getting at was that Kineth's response was hilarious. I mean, his entire perspective on this situation is hilarious, to be honest.

Responding with "use your fists" is one of the stupidest things I've read on CE in a long time lol.

Mal_Fet posted...

The professor in my OP did all he could to de-escalate the mod with words, and look how it turned out.

After shouting at Mr. Weinstein for several minutes, according to Mr. Vincent’s recollection of events, the protesters marched out of the building and were met by campus police shortly thereafter.

...So, the crowd shouted at him, nobody got in a fight, and nobody was attacked. Sounds like he diffused the situation pretty well actually. Unless I'm overlooking something.
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Kineth posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

lemme ignore what you said so I can throw a tantrum like a child and whine.

Yeah, cool. You shouldn't have wasted your time making that response.

Didn't ignore what you said. You cannot rely on words to de-escalate a fight and getting involved in a fistfight is not preferable to making a violent person flee by pulling out a gun.
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That_Happened posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

The professor in my OP did all he could to de-escalate the mod with words, and look how it turned out.

After shouting at Mr. Weinstein for several minutes, according to Mr. Vincent’s recollection of events, the protesters marched out of the building and were met by campus police shortly thereafter.

...So, the crowd shouted at him, nobody got in a fight, and nobody was attacked. Sounds like he diffused the situation pretty well actually. Unless I'm overlooking something.

You're overlooking your feewings so that you can calmly analyze a situation.
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That_Happened posted...

...So, the crowd shouted at him, nobody got in a fight, and nobody was attacked. Sounds like he diffused the situation pretty well actually. Unless I'm overlooking something.

Let's look at the sentence right afterwards that you left out:

Mal_Fet posted...

Obviously I don't think he should have pulled a gun on them, but if they started acting like certain other leftists do and attacked him with bike chains and glass bottles, then I'm willing to bet his chances would be better if he had a gun.

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Mal_Fet posted...

Kineth posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

lemme ignore what you said so I can throw a tantrum like a child and whine.

Yeah, cool. You shouldn't have wasted your time making that response.

Didn't ignore what you said. You cannot rely on words to de-escalate a fight

just fucking lol. Read my sig and respond when you're done being clueless.
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So did many "liberal" users on CE defend the students? No. They say it's dumb.

Why can't the conservative users here say the same if trump actions....lol

Mal, why are you even addressing Kineth? He's proven that he's not interested in a real conversation. I mean, when you enter a topic to deflect about what these students are doing...and to try to spin this entire thing as if it's actually racism against blacks...that's evidence enough that you're either clueless or a troll.

Kineth posted...

gmanthebest posted...

Kineth posted...

MangaFan462 posted...

Kineth posted...

MangaFan462 posted...

Time to allow CCW on campus in case these nutjob student terrorists attack .

Oh yeah, they're crazy and here you are advocating life-threatening tools as a countermeasure.

If they assault me then yes, you have a right to defend yourself.

You should learn how to defend yourself with your hands before daring to consider a gun as an option, i.e. take a self defense course.

Why risk bodily harm when you can just shoot an aggressor? All it takes is one punch to either fuck you up for life or even kill you.

So you've never been in a fight in your life.

You're right. But I've seen what can happen in one. I'm just saying that there's a lot of psychos out there that don't want to be de-escalated, it's better to be safe than sorry.
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Mal_Fet posted...

That_Happened posted...

...So, the crowd shouted at him, nobody got in a fight, and nobody was attacked. Sounds like he diffused the situation pretty well actually. Unless I'm overlooking something.

Let's look at the sentence right afterwards that you left out:

Mal_Fet posted...

Obviously I don't think he should have pulled a gun on them, but if they started acting like certain other leftists do and attacked him with bike chains and glass bottles, then I'm willing to bet his chances would be better if he had a gun.

I looked at that sentence and dismissed it because not only is it not what happened, but it didn't even come close to happening. Your statement is basically, "But what if these college students had brought weapons with them, and started acting like thugs you see in the streets during the worst BLM protests???" And I've already covered that level of paranoia in another post:

If we all lived by the bold part of your statement ("worse things have happened"), there'd be a lot more senseless overreactions and deaths. Some of us aren't terrified of our neighbors.

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Kineth posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Kineth posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

lemme ignore what you said so I can throw a tantrum like a child and whine.

Yeah, cool. You shouldn't have wasted your time making that response.

Didn't ignore what you said. You cannot rely on words to de-escalate a fight

just fucking lol. Read my sig and respond when you're done being clueless.

Right. Words will prevent every fight. Anyone who's ever had their house broken into, kids killed, wife raped, and house set ablaze should have just talked the murderers out of it.

Maybe that's true in Magical Care Bear Land where all bad people are simply misunderstood and Communism is a valid economic model.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

So did many "liberal" users on CE defend the students? No. They say it's dumb.

Why can't the conservative users here say the same if trump actions....lol

As soon as Trump starts advocating racial segregation like leftists are, I promise that I'll be the first one to denounce him.
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gmanthebest posted...

You're right. But I've seen what can happen in one. I'm just saying that there's a lot of psychos out there that don't want to be de-escalated, it's better to be safe than sorry.

No, no, you're just living in fear like Corndog said.

/s

Mal_Fet posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

So did many "liberal" users on CE defend the students? No. They say it's dumb.

Why can't the conservative users here say the same if trump actions....lol

As soon as Trump starts advocating racial segregation like leftists are, I promise that I'll be the first one to denounce him.

So trump has not done countless other stupid shit? Most here aren't even looking for you to denounce trump. You defend every stupid shit he does, notice how the liberals here aren't afraid to say "damn this is stupid". You seem to be so insecure you can't do the same.

Self awareness man. Shame your parents didn't teach you it.

Mal_Fet posted...

Right. Words will prevent every fight.

Said no one in this topic.

Anyone who's ever had their house broken into, kids killed, wife raped, and house set ablaze should have just talked the murderers out of it.

I thought we were talking about angry mobs of college students here. Why would you change the target of the discussion? Oh yeah, because:

Kineth posted...

you're not looking for any honest discussion

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Mal_Fet posted...

Oh look, the internet tough guy who claims someone should learn karate before buying a gun is now saying fights can reliably be avoided with words and pulling out a firearm in a fistfight is too much escalation.

Look buddy, if a fight with words has escalated into a fight with fists, it has already escalated to a potentially fatal scenario. Ever seen someone turned into a vegetable because he got hit just three times in the head while his opponent was on top of him? I have, and it's not a scenario anyone should be fucking around with. If you have a chance to de-escalate a situation with a firearm, you should take it. And yes, most cases of defensive use of a firearm don't involve shooting a single bullet for this very reason.

The professor in my OP did all he could to de-escalate the mod with words, and look how it turned out. Obviously I don't think he should have pulled a gun on them, but if they started acting like certain other leftists do and attacked him with bike chains and glass bottles, then I'm willing to bet his chances would be better if he had a gun.

Just saying.

can you imagine the reaction if that ben jacobs reporter dweeb had a CCL and shot gianforte?
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That_Happened posted...

I looked at that sentence and dismissed it because not only is it not what happened, but it didn't even come close to happening.

It's a good thing that everyone has the advantage of hindsight before things hap, huh?

CruelBuffalo posted...

So trump has not done countless other stupid shit?

"Omg Trump tweeted something dumb"
"Omg Trump pushed a guy"
"Omg Trump's wife kinda hit his hand away"

Trump hasn't done anything even close to as bad as what these kids are advocating. But then my priorities aren't nearly as screwed up as yours.
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Balrog0 posted...

can you imagine the reaction if that ben jacobs reporter dweeb had a CCL and shot gianforte?

If he had just cause to believe his life was in danger, it'd be a fair, next.
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That_Happened posted...

Said no one in this topic.

I said words can't reliably de-escalate every fight, and Kineth disagreed.
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Mal_Fet posted...

If he had just cause to believe his life was in danger, it'd be a fair, next.

yeah I don't think he would have but I honestly wonder what the reaction would have been you know?
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Mal_Fet posted...

That_Happened posted...

I looked at that sentence and dismissed it because not only is it not what happened, but it didn't even come close to happening.

It's a good thing that everyone has the advantage of hindsight before things hap, huh?

No, it's a good thing most people don't live in constant fear that every little incident is going to suddenly ramp up to murder.
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That_Happened posted...

No, it's a good thing most people don't live in constant fear that every little incident is going to suddenly ramp up to murder.

This is like saying wearing a seatbelt when you drive is like living in constant fear that you'll get into a car wreck.

It's not, and it's better to wear a seat belt and never need it than to need it and not be wearing it.
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OMG this is insanity
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Mal_Fet posted...

That_Happened posted...

No, it's a good thing most people don't live in constant fear that every little incident is going to suddenly ramp up to murder.

This is like saying wearing a seatbelt when you drive is like living in constant fear that you'll get into a car wreck.

I'm sorry that you feel this is in any way an accurate analogy. Unless seatbelts escalate the situation and the car is a sentient being that fears seatbelts and gets scared and tries to fight back the moment you strap in....oh geez my brain hurts just from trying to explain to you how bafflingly stupid this is. Anybody got a Tylenol?
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That_Happened posted...

I'm sorry that you feel this is in any way an accurate analogy. Unless seatbelts escalate the situation and the car is a sentient being that fears seatbelts and gets scared and tries to fight back the moment you strap in

"Getting scared and trying to fight back" is not the common response by an aggressor who gets a gun pulled on him. Waaay more often than not, they'll run for it. This is why the overwhelming majority of defensive uses of a firearm don't involve anyone getting shot.

Point is, having a gun is not the same thing as being paranoid you'll have to shoot someone.
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Can we get back on topic? I mean I know COV lives in a fantasy world where this is just an isolated incident, but it seems to me like there's a trend brewing in American universities. I wonder how it started.

Mal_Fet posted...

"Getting scared and trying to fight back" is not the common response by an aggressor who gets a gun pulled on him. Waaay more often than not, they'll run for it.

Unless of course, they have a gun too. But hey every little argument should result in the wild west. Or that South Park episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfq6hyE7BNQ
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Seaman_Prime posted...

liberals fighting for segregation? man we're stuck in a weird timeline

Not really.

Democrats fought to keep slavery.
Democrats fought to prevent blacks from voting.
Democrats fought to prevent desegregation.
Democrats are fighting to reintroduce segregation.
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That_Happened posted...

Unless of course, they have a gun too. But hey every little argument should result in the wild west. Or that South Park episode.

1) The "wild west" wasn't really like what you see in movies; murders were extremely rare and duels at high noon didn't actually happen.

2) People who own firearms legally commit less than 1% of criminal shootings

http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Don-t-blame-crime-on-legal-gun-owners-97536.php

3) If the person attacking you has a gun, then you REALLY don't want to just rely on words to calm them down.
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Mal_Fet posted...

2) People who own firearms legally commit less than 1% of criminal shootings

We're not talking about gun crime though. If two people are pointing guns at each other and one shoots the other that obviously wouldn't be a crime as it'd be self defense--the issue is that they probably didn't need the guns in the first place.

Mal. I understand that for various reasons you're incapable of having an honest conversation. We can pivot all day, or we can just agree with my original statement: that those who can communicate like normal people and don't spend all day trolling on the internet are usually capable of diffusing situations like these without having to threaten the lives of others. You may have a different perspective and you may (correctly) fear for your safety when you leave the house because you don't have these very basic skills, but for most of us not getting our asses kicked isn't a constant issue.

Thanks for the chat.
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That_Happened posted...

We're not talking about gun crime though. If two people are pointing guns at each other and one shoots the other that obviously wouldn't be a crime as it'd be self defense--the issue is that they probably didn't need the guns in the first place.

Probably. So you're accepting that there are possibly some scenarios where a gun would be necessary, yeah?

So if there ARE scenarios where a gun would help, what's wrong with carrying one? Do you believe everyone knows which days they're going to need a gun to save their lives and which days they won't?

That_Happened posted...

Mal. I understand that for various reasons you're incapable of having an honest conversation. We can pivot all day, or we can just agree with my original statement: that those who can communicate like normal people and don't spend all day trolling on the internet are usually capable of diffusing situations like these without having to threaten the lives of others. You may have a different perspective and you may (correctly) fear for your safety when you leave the house because you don't have these very basic skills, but for most of us not getting our asses kicked isn't a constant issue.

It's not often I have to deal with an internet psychologist right after dealing with an internet tough guy. Must be my lucky day.

Why do you think having a gun means you're not capable of talking a situation down? Why do you believe a person who has a gun is looking for a reason to use it knowing how rare it is for a legal gun owner to do such a thing? Are you aware that your attitude of gun owners goes against the facts? Do you even care? If it were a woman who had once been mugged and almost murdered, and ever since she had carried a gun around in her purse, would you have this same "I'm better than you because I'm not concerned with being the victim of an attack" attitude towards her? If not, why?
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I'm so glad I got out of college when I did, the dumbassery was about to blow up before I graduated.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Probably. So you're accepting that there are possibly some scenarios where a gun would be necessary, yeah?

You keep trying to pivot to other scenarios instead of facing the one that we're actively didscussing. Please re-read my first post on the matter:

That_Happened posted...

On one hand I agree that if a mob of angry people are about to attack you it's best to have a firearm or else you risk geting put in the hospital or killed. On the other hand I'm not a socially anxious little bitch whose main form of communication is internet trolling, so I really don't picture myself being in such a terrible situation. Normal people are able to recognize when other folks are getting triggered and know how to diffuse the situation with words or by simply leaving the area before it gets too heated.

There are scenarios where I think a gun would be the better option: home invasion, for example. But bringing a gun to an argument with college students isn't one of them. It's almost always unnecessary and puts more people in danger than it needs to. And this professor handled it excellently: he talked with the students, he let them blow off steam, and then they went away. That you equated this to a possible street lynching by random thug BLMers (because your twisted mind sees two groups of liberals and thinks they're exactly the same) shows a dangerous lack of comprehension of the situation on YOUR part alone. You're the one who's scared the world's gonna beat the shit out of you. Those of us with functioning brains know better.

Take care.
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SavenForever posted...

I'm so glad I got out of college when I did, the dumbassery was about to blow up before I graduated.

Agreed. I never had to deal with this level of idiocy. But then again most college students don't even today. These issues are rare. We just hear about them all the time because CEmen actively search for them.
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That_Happened posted...

You keep trying to pivot to other scenarios instead of facing the one that we're actively didscussing.

The situation we are discussing is one that sometimes does end in potentially fatal violence. Remember this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bANOgKkZlmQ#t=10s
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Nomadic View posted...

Seaman_Prime posted...

liberals fighting for segregation? man we're stuck in a weird timeline

Not really.

Democrats fought to keep slavery.
Democrats fought to prevent blacks from voting.
Democrats fought to prevent desegregation.
Democrats are fighting to reintroduce segregation.

The South fought to keep slavery, the South fought against Reconstruction and having black leadership by preventing blacks from voting and introducing "separate, but equal", the south fought against desegregation and random handfuls of college students don't represent an entire political party. Hell, none of them have stated their set of political beliefs.

But hey, you know, Republicans apparently have nothing on them in your fantasy world and there was never a migration from one party to the other. Hell, apparently Republicans were never liberal in your biased worldview.
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That_Happened posted...

There are scenarios where I think a gun would be the better option: home invasion, for example. But bringing a gun to an argument with college students isn't one of them. It's almost always unnecessary and puts more people in danger than it needs to. And this professor handled it excellently: he talked with the students, he let them blow off steam, and then they went away. That you equated this to a possible street lynching by random thug BLMers (because your twisted mind sees two groups of liberals and thinks they're exactly the same) shows a dangerous lack of comprehension of the situation on YOUR part alone. You're the one who's scared the world's gonna beat the shit out of you. Those of us with functioning brains know better.

Take care.

It still fucking baffles me that people need this spelled out for them. Then again, I guess I'm giving Mal_Fet too much credit by calling him people.
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I dare anyone to watch the entire 15 minute video TC posted

dear God
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vicedungwinsgam posted...

I dare anyone to watch the entire 15 minute video TC posted

dear God

I was only able to handle the first few minutes

Kineth posted...

It still fucking baffles me that people need this spelled out for them. Then again, I guess I'm giving Mal_Fet too much credit by calling him people.

Mal_Fet posted...

The situation we are discussing is one that sometimes does end in potentially fatal violence. Remember this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bANOgKkZlmQ#t=10s

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Read my sig you selfish narcissist. That was already talked about and you want to beat a dead horse, sadist.
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Mal_Fet posted...

The situation we are discussing is one that very very VERY rarely ends in potentially fatal violence.

But if you think you need to be locked and loaded at every moment of your waking life just in case someone looks at you the wrong way then God bless. I'm not as worried or as cowardly, but then again I'm not all that combative either and I don't tend to piss people off or provoke them. Your life may vary.
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That_Happened posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

The situation we are discussing is one that very very VERY rarely ends in potentially fatal violence.

But if you think you need to be locked and loaded at every moment of your waking life just in case someone looks at you the wrong way then God bless. I'm not as worried or as cowardly, but then again I'm not all that combative either and I don't tend to piss people off or provoke them. Your life may vary.

Well I guess if something RARELY happens then there's no sense in taking precaution over it.

As for your continues holier-than-thou attitude about not being a "coward",

Mal_Fet posted...

If it were a woman who had once been mugged and almost murdered, and ever since she had carried a gun around in her purse, would you have this same "I'm better than you because I'm not concerned with being the victim of an attack" attitude towards her? If not, why?

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Mal_Fet posted...

That_Happened posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

The situation we are discussing is one that very very VERY rarely ends in potentially fatal violence.

But if you think you need to be locked and loaded at every moment of your waking life just in case someone looks at you the wrong way then God bless. I'm not as worried or as cowardly, but then again I'm not all that combative either and I don't tend to piss people off or provoke them. Your life may vary.

Well I guess if something RARELY happens then there's no sense in taking precaution over it.

"omg, a meteorite might fall out of the sky and kill me, I better not go outside" - That's how stupid you sound.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Well I guess if something RARELY happens then there's no sense in taking precaution over it.

That doesn't mean I'll *never* get attacked unexpectedly, but I don't feel I can prepare for that any more than I can prepare for a plane crash or a car accident: I can do a lot of things to give myself the illusion of safety but nothing is 100%. And by the way, not being a troll, being a good communicator, being good at reading people and being able to tell when they're reaching their limits and may get violent, being good at joking around and diffusing situations...those are all precautions. Just because I don't find it necessary to carry a gun doesn't mean I take zero precautions.

Mal_Fet posted...

If it were a woman who had once been mugged and almost murdered, and ever since she had carried a gun around in her purse, would you have this same "I'm better than you because I'm not concerned with being the victim of an attack" attitude towards her?

David Schwimmer: PIVOT!! PIVOT!!! PIVAAAAAAT!!!!

But I feel like I already covered this below:

That_Happened posted...

There are scenarios where I think a gun would be the better option: home invasion, for example. But bringing a gun to an argument with college students isn't one of them.

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That_Happened posted...

That doesn't mean I'll *never* get attacked unexpectedly, but I don't feel I can prepare for that any more than I can prepare for a plane crash or a car accident: I can do a lot of things to give myself the illusion of safety but nothing is 100%.

You can prepare for a car accident...with a seat belt and a car with a decent safety rating. Is someone driving a Volvo a coward because they care about safety?

Saying "nothing is 100%" is a useless platitude. You are safer with a gun than you are without one. This is an indisputable fact.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/dangerous-gun-myths.html

That_Happened posted...

David Schwimmer: PIVOT!! PIVOT!!! PIVAAAAAAT!!!

Oh good, the caps lock has come on. My hope for a productive conversation is well and truly in the toilet.

Do you understand that people are not fortune tellers and there's no way someone could know for a fact that things could not have gotten violent?

And I'm going to take your refusal to respond to my scenario about a woman always carrying a gun on her as a tacit admission that you aren't as sure of your "anyone who carries a gun is a coward" attitude as you pretend you are.
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