Current Events > Mike Rowe savages lazy, entitled millennials with S.W.E.A.T. Pledge

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yoshifan1 posted...

I'd say a new car is still better than used. By the time you're done sinking money into a used car, you've effectively paid off a loan for a new one. Taking on debt is not bad, as long as you understand how to manage it. When you buy a used car, you're buying someone else's problem.

Lmao no. I've never paid more than $3000 for a used car, and until I bought the one I've got now I'd never paid more that $1500 for one. I also rarely have mechanical issues because I know enough about cars to handle routine maintenance like oil and spark plug changes. My repair bills for all my used cars since I was 18 are less than $2000. Overall, having bought 5 cars in 15 years, I've spent less that $10,000. Math tells me with trade ins on my cars (except the first) the total is roughly $7200. I was fortunate enough to have family who insisted I be educated on cars enough to not get hustled by a slick salesman. I've also never financed a car, saving up to buy my first one and always trading in on later cars once I saved up enough to upgrade. Admittedly, I drove some real shitty clunkers for a long time but they got me where I was going reliably.
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The Admiral posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

"I agree. Can we also discuss the socioeconomic and race issues that make it harder for poor people and particularly poor people of color to advance up the ladder and how we can fix them?"

No, because that's irrelevant.

Wooooow....
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fire_bolt posted...

yoshifan1 posted...

I'd say a new car is still better than used. By the time you're done sinking money into a used car, you've effectively paid off a loan for a new one. Taking on debt is not bad, as long as you understand how to manage it. When you buy a used car, you're buying someone else's problem.

Lmao no. I've never paid more than $3000 for a used car, and until I bought the one I've got now I'd never paid more that $1500 for one. I also rarely have mechanical issues because I know enough about cars to handle routine maintenance like oil and spark plug changes. My repair bills for all my used cars since I was 18 are less than $2000. Overall, having bought 5 cars in 15 years, I've spent less that $10,000. Math tells me with trade ins on my cars (except the first) the total is roughly $7200. I was fortunate enough to have family who insisted I be educated on cars enough to not get hustled by a slick salesman. I've also never financed a car, saving up to buy my first one and always trading in on later cars once I saved up enough to upgrade. Admittedly, I drove some real shitty clunkers for a long time but they got me where I was going reliably.

Basically #9 on Rowe's list.
Anyways, the point is, charey argument was dumb as fuck.

This guy has become a major douchebag.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

Most leftist's definition of a better world is "gimme more stuff for less effort".

Yet, that is exactly what the rich does.

So less a denial that "better world" is just leftist for "gimmie" than trying to hide greedy shallow commercialism behind others' greedy shallow commercialism. I consider myself a leftist but I'm tired of seeing my side crying like a child that bases mom's love on how many toys she buys you.
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Why are people acting like this pledge is meant for everyone? I thought it was designed to be used as part of the application process for his scholarship awards. Don't sign it and your application for money for school is denied. I think it could be simplified and worded better but I understand and agree with the general idea. As someone working a job that is consistently voted as one of the worst in North America, I make great money for what I do. I approve of his efforts to destigmatize trades and labour work.

Edit: He's also self admittedly non-partisan.
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Southernfatman posted...

"Eat s*** and learn to like the taste" is not an ideology to follow.

I prefer to call it 'turning shit into sugar' which is a great characteristic to have and a good way to gain respect from people
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Shadow20201 posted...

Why are people acting like this pledge is meant for everyone? I thought it was designed to be used as part of the application process for his scholarship awards. Don't sign it and your application for money for school is denied. I think it could be simplified and worded better but I understand and agree with the general idea. As someone working a job that is consistently voted as one of the worst in North America, I make great money for what I do. I approve of his efforts to destigmatize trades and labour work.

Edit: He's also self admittedly non-partisan.

He was involved with Mitt Romney's campaign.
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Getting some heavy-duty mixed signals from 10, 11 and 12 lol
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CowboyDan posted...

Shadow20201 posted...

Why are people acting like this pledge is meant for everyone? I thought it was designed to be used as part of the application process for his scholarship awards. Don't sign it and your application for money for school is denied. I think it could be simplified and worded better but I understand and agree with the general idea. As someone working a job that is consistently voted as one of the worst in North America, I make great money for what I do. I approve of his efforts to destigmatize trades and labour work.

Edit: He's also self admittedly non-partisan.

He was involved with Mitt Romney's campaign.

And Mitt Romney went on record to say that Mike isn't there to support him but Mitt wanted his insight for job creation. It's right on Mike's wiki page.

EDIT: here's Mike responding to a critic of his pledge
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1518681901475281&substory_index=0&id=116999698310182
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Mike Rowe is an 'authority' on 'hard work' as much as Bill Nye is an 'authority' on science.

Like someone else said, the first point was cringey enough I didn't read the rest of the list. After skimming the topic I can see I didn't miss much.
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

Mike Rowe is an 'authority' on 'hard work' as much as Bill Nye is an 'authority' on science.

Like someone else said, the first point was cringey enough I didn't read the rest of the list. After skimming the topic I can see I didn't miss much.

He never claims to be an authority on hard work. Bill Nye dubbed himself the Science Guy. The pledge is for people who are applying for free money from his charity.
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Shadow20201 posted...

EDIT: here's Mike responding to a critic of his pledge
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1518681901475281&substory_index=0&id=116999698310182

and why are people hating on this guy again? smfh
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davyheinz posted...

The Admiral posted...

Waiting for liberals

We know, you always are.

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Clause 1 and 10 contradict each other pretty hard here.
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Translation: "I will settle for less."
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Dude needs to fuck off. I hate it when people use phrases like the one I'm about to use, but his little pledge legitimately screams "I'm privileged."
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Damn, CE got TRIGGERED by a guy telling people to work for their money and success. Can't we just have free stuff and not have to work for it, though? Life isn't FAIR!
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is he savaging millennials though? cause he's the one who sounds sheltered and naive
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Southernfatman posted...

"Eat shit and learn to like the taste" is not an ideology to follow.

You don't have a choice, that's life.
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ShotOJameson posted...

Shadow20201 posted...

EDIT: here's Mike responding to a critic of his pledge
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1518681901475281&substory_index=0&id=116999698310182

and why are people hating on this guy again? smfh

They're lazy and want to pretend the reason they haven't achieved anything is because they're not as "privileged," not because their attitude is poor and they refuse to work hard.
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backronyms are never good
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Lots of whining and ad hominems in this topic as expected.
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The Admiral posted...

ShotOJameson posted...

Shadow20201 posted...

EDIT: here's Mike responding to a critic of his pledge
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1518681901475281&substory_index=0&id=116999698310182

and why are people hating on this guy again? smfh

They're lazy and want to pretend the reason they haven't achieved anything is because they're not as "privileged," not because their attitude is poor and they refuse to work hard.

What happens if people have achieved things and they still disagree with the pledge?
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The Admiral posted...

ShotOJameson posted...

Shadow20201 posted...

EDIT: here's Mike responding to a critic of his pledge
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1518681901475281&substory_index=0&id=116999698310182

and why are people hating on this guy again? smfh

They're lazy and want to pretend the reason they haven't achieved anything is because they're not as "privileged," not because their attitude is poor and they refuse to work hard.

To deny that privilege has a large impact on later life success is baffling.
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COVxy posted...

To deny that privilege has a large impact on later life success is baffling.

Privilege is irrelevant to the validity of Mike Rowe's list. Even a poor minority who's had all the worst breaks in life is better off adopting those points than one who doesn't.
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This topic is proof on how sometimes, the truth hurts a lot. Lots of lazy, entitled millennials mad itt.
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The Admiral posted...

COVxy posted...

To deny that privilege has a large impact on later life success is baffling.

Privilege is irrelevant to the validity of Mike Rowe's list. Even a poor minority who's had all the worst breaks in life is better off adopting those points than one who doesn't.

Seems to me that you don't seem to be espousing a logically consistent view across your posts.
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COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

COVxy posted...

To deny that privilege has a large impact on later life success is baffling.

Privilege is irrelevant to the validity of Mike Rowe's list. Even a poor minority who's had all the worst breaks in life is better off adopting those points than one who doesn't.

Seems to me that you don't seem to be espousing a logically consistent view across your posts.

Then point out the specific inconsistencies.
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You can't simultaneously say that "millennials hold the false belief that privilege has impacted where they are today" and that "So what if there's privilege? They should tough it out."
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COVxy posted...

You can't simultaneously say that "millennials hold the false belief that privilege has impacted where they are today" and that "So what if there's privilege? They should tough it out."

I never claimed the first part. Mike Rowe's list even acknowledges that there is privilege in the part about life being unfair. However, that does not change the validity of this list. Like I said above, a poor minority who's had all the worst breaks in life is better off adopting those points than one who doesn't.

No one in this topic has actually made a legitimate attempt to point out the problems with this advice on a specific. It's either been a strawman defense or some secondary excuse because this doesn't factor in other components (race/privilege) that it was never intended to address.
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If you never meant to claim the first, then the first post of your's that I quoted is nonsensical. Like, just pure straw man, since nobody has ever stated that privilege is the only reason for success and failure. But the very acknowledgement of privileged existence denotes the validity of the complaint about it.
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COVxy posted...

If you never meant to claim the first, then the first post of your's that I quoted is nonsensical. Like, just pure straw man, since nobody has ever stated that privilege is the only reason for success and failure. But the very acknowledgement of privileged existence denotes the validity of the complaint about it.

You're tap dancing around the issue again, and not doing a particularly good job of that. I'll ask you point blank to address this point: how would a poor minority without any discernible "privilege" be worse off for following this advice?
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Again, that is a different and logically inconsistent argument from what you started with. Denounce the first post and then we can continue this discussion like adults.
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COVxy posted...

Again, that is a different and logically inconsistent argument from what you started with. Denounce the first post and then we can continue this discussion like adults.

There is no inconsistency, and you clearly don't want to answer my question. And I think we all know exactly why.
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COVxy posted...

Again, that is a different and logically inconsistent argument from what you started with. Denounce the first post and then we can continue this discussion like adults.

Why can't you answer his simple question?
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No, I'm trying to hold you accountable for the bullshit you spew. You troll like a drunkard playing darts, picking up a pile of darts, tossing the entire handful at the board and hoping one of them sticks.

When you acknowledge when you're wrong like an adult, then we can talk about my views about your latter part, which you might find "suprisingly" in line with what you're suggesting.
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lol this board

COVxy posted...

No, I'm trying to hold you accountable for the bullshit you spew. You troll like a drunkard playing darts, picking up a pile of darts, tossing the entire handful at the board and hoping one of them sticks.

None of which you can apparently point out.

My position has always been that this list is privilege agnostic. I don't take issue with millennials for pointing out privilege, I take issue with them for using it as an excuse to be lazy or "waiting until the playing field is fair" instead of working hard and taking responsibility in a way that will still greatly benefit them today regardless.

The concept of privilege is a macro issue that no individual can affect and is hard, if not impossible, to even quantify and address. This list is addresses the micro issues of improving your own life and work prospects whether privilege exists or not. You can certainly hold the view that disparities resulting from privilege or historical discrimination need to be remedied, but they have nothing to do with the validity of this list. That's why those complaints are being dismissed; they're just excuses for inaction, not arguments against this advice.
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The Admiral posted...

None of which you can apparently point out.

The Admiral posted...

I take issue with them for using it as an excuse to be lazy or "waiting until the playing field is fair" instead of working hard and taking responsibility in a way that will still greatly benefit them today regardless.

Since you're sticking with this interpretation of your above post, I will say again: this is complete and utter straw man. The situation you are describing does not exist, or if it does, only in some extremely small and otherwise mentally deficient population.
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COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

None of which you can apparently point out.

The Admiral posted...

I take issue with them for using it as an excuse to be lazy or "waiting until the playing field is fair" instead of working hard and taking responsibility in a way that will still greatly benefit them today regardless.

Since you're sticking with this interpretation of your above post, I will say again: this is complete and utter straw man. The situation you are describing does not exist, or if it does, only in some extremely small and otherwise mentally deficient population.

The Admiral posted...

I'll ask you point blank to address this point: how would a poor minority without any discernible "privilege" be worse off for following this advice?

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So you're just gonna not acknowledge that you are bullshitting?

No adult conversation can be had with someone who is being deliberately dishonest.
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COVxy posted...

So you're just gonna not acknowledge that you are bullshitting?

No adult conversation can be had with someone who is being deliberately dishonest.

The entire string of your posts in this topic thus far have been:
1. Assert a strawman fallacy without pointing it out
2. Insist that I admit I'm wrong before you engage further (even though you keep responding anyway)
3. Consistently ignore a very straight forward question that is completely relevant to the point of my position
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I'm not going to have a meaningful discussion with a partner that is being deliberately deceitful. That's just not the way fruitful discussion works.
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It really is a simple question that's relevant to the topic, why are you struggling to answer it?
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YellowSUV posted...

CowboyDan posted...

Balrog0 posted...

nothin wrong with whining or bitching

This. Whining and bitching are what this nation was built on.

Those lazy founding fathers should get a job and be lucky they are part of Great Britain, the greatest country in the world!

You guys are forgetting the action part. The founding fathers bitched about what they didn't like, and then they took action by bleeding on the battlefield and forming a new government from the rubble.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

You guys are forgetting the action part. The founding fathers bitched about what they didn't like, and then they took action by bleeding on the battlefield and forming a new government from the rubble.

So you are fine with the poor and disenfranchised revolting and rioting, yes?
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