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treewojima 05/17/17 6:21:08 PM #1:	his 2009 F-150 needed a new engine, so we agreed to do the repair, contingent on him trading it in toward a newer vehicle. we did the repair... then he came onto our (unlocked) lot with a spare key and took it to another dealership that was offering him more trade-in value he owes us over $10,000 now. normally we'd file for a lien, but he's already traded the vehicle in, which I think makes it a bit trickier. either way we're gonna sic our lawyers on him <cite>treewojima posted [p:879295086] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>his 2009 F-150 needed a new engine, so we agreed to do the repair, contingent on him trading it in toward a newer vehicle. we did the repair... then he came onto our (unlocked) lot with a spare key and took it to another dealership that was offering him more trade-in value he owes us over $10,000 now. normally we'd file for a lien, but he's already traded the vehicle in, which I think makes it a bit trickier. either way we're gonna sic our lawyers on him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CroDalmatinac 05/17/17 6:22:21 PM #2:	Serves you right for trying to swindle him into a bogus "deal" <cite>CroDalmatinac posted [p:879295166] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>Serves you right for trying to swindle him into a bogus "deal"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/17/17 6:22:23 PM #3:	Why did his 09 need a new engine --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:879295170] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>Why did his 09 need a new engine</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/17/17 6:34:05 PM #4:	Bloodychess posted... Why did his 09 need a new engine --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:879295970] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>Why did his 09 need a new engine</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 05/17/17 6:35:21 PM #5:	Bloodychess posted... Why did his 09 need a new engine treewojima posted... F-150 --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:879296057] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>Why did his 09 need a new engine</quote> <cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote>F-150</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vamp_Aubrey 05/17/17 6:37:23 PM #6:	someone stole a car at one of our dealerships, insurance kicked in and paid for it, and the car came back a few years later as a trade-in --- http://giant.gfycat.com/DefensiveSnappyHartebeest.gif http://i.imgur.com/65rUq1c.gif http://i.imgur.com/7SNyDjv.gif <cite>Vamp_Aubrey posted [p:879296203] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>someone stole a car at one of our dealerships, insurance kicked in and paid for it, and the car came back a few years later as a trade-in</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StarReaper13 05/17/17 6:38:44 PM #7:	Is that something you can take him to court for? --- Ignore when people say that the title length is not important, that a title should just convey what the game is about. They're just jealous theirs isn't as long <cite>StarReaper13 posted [p:879296274] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>Is that something you can take him to court for?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 05/17/17 6:39:54 PM #8:	Bloodychess posted... Why did his 09 need a new engine it ate all the cam seals and screwed up the variable cam timing solenoids, which caused excessive oil consumption, which caused the rest of the engine to be starved of oil. it could have been rebuilt, but the labor required would push it close to the price of a new engine, especially since we wouldn't know how many components were damaged <cite>treewojima posted [p:879296333] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>Why did his 09 need a new engine</quote> it ate all the cam seals and screwed up the variable cam timing solenoids, which caused excessive oil consumption, which caused the rest of the engine to be starved of oil. it could have been rebuilt, but the labor required would push it close to the price of a new engine, especially since we wouldn't know how many components were damaged</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 05/17/17 6:41:05 PM #9:	Which engine was it? --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:879296400] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>Which engine was it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GOOMFalse 05/17/17 6:41:09 PM #10:	StarReaper13 posted... Is that something you can take him to court for? Sounds like theft to me I would assume there was a signed agreement. --- I'm your huckleberry. <cite>GOOMFalse posted [p:879296405] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>StarReaper13 posted...</cite> <quote>Is that something you can take him to court for?</quote> Sounds like theft to me I would assume there was a signed agreement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 05/17/17 6:42:00 PM #11:	StarReaper13 posted... Is that something you can take him to court for? yeah. I'm not privy to the details since that's all on our corporate legal department. it's just a pain in the ass, since in the meantime we have to eat the cost and have it impact all our numbers <cite>treewojima posted [p:879296471] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>StarReaper13 posted...</cite> <quote>Is that something you can take him to court for?</quote> yeah. I'm not privy to the details since that's all on our corporate legal department. it's just a pain in the ass, since in the meantime we have to eat the cost and have it impact all our numbers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vamp_Aubrey 05/17/17 6:42:32 PM #12:	GOOMFalse posted... StarReaper13 posted... Is that something you can take him to court for? Sounds like theft to me I would assume there was a signed agreement. at the very least, there should be a signed repair order where he authorizes service performed on the vehicle --- http://giant.gfycat.com/DefensiveSnappyHartebeest.gif http://i.imgur.com/65rUq1c.gif http://i.imgur.com/7SNyDjv.gif <cite>Vamp_Aubrey posted [p:879296517] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>GOOMFalse posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StarReaper13 posted...</cite> <quote> Is that something you can take him to court for?</quote> Sounds like theft to me I would assume there was a signed agreement.</quote> at the very least, there should be a signed repair order where he authorizes service performed on the vehicle</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mizznox 05/17/17 6:43:46 PM #13:	CroDalmatinac posted... Serves you right for trying to swindle him into a bogus "deal" What's bogus about it? Instead of him paying the cost of the repair out of pocket, they take it out of the trade-in value. Kinda hard to do that if he's not trading it in to them. --- http://i.imgur.com/cZmZwYj.jpg <cite>Mizznox posted [p:879296593] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>CroDalmatinac posted...</cite> <quote>Serves you right for trying to swindle him into a bogus "deal"</quote> What's bogus about it? Instead of him paying the cost of the repair out of pocket, they take it out of the trade-in value. Kinda hard to do that if he's not trading it in to them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
E32005 05/17/17 6:44:13 PM #14:	you should all get together for some vigilante sales justice --- http://i.imgur.com/LAvnefi.gif http://i.imgur.com/6kW9fXL.gif <cite>E32005 posted [p:879296619] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>you should all get together for some vigilante sales justice</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 05/17/17 6:45:50 PM #15:	GOOMFalse posted... StarReaper13 posted... Is that something you can take him to court for? Sounds like theft to me I would assume there was a signed agreement. not technically theft, since the title is in his name. that's where the lien would come in to play. it's all civil, not criminal I think the worst criminal charge we could hit him with with would be trespassing, but even that's a stretch since our lot is unlocked and we don't have security cameras (!!!) <cite>treewojima posted [p:879296751] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>GOOMFalse posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StarReaper13 posted...</cite> <quote>Is that something you can take him to court for?</quote> Sounds like theft to me I would assume there was a signed agreement.</quote> not technically theft, since the title is in his name. that's where the lien would come in to play. it's all civil, not criminal I think the worst criminal charge we could hit him with with would be trespassing, but even that's a stretch since our lot is unlocked and we don't have security cameras (!!!)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Schwarber 05/17/17 6:47:27 PM #16:	Mizznox posted... CroDalmatinac posted... Serves you right for trying to swindle him into a bogus "deal" What's bogus about it? Instead of him paying the cost of the repair out of pocket, they take it out of the trade-in value. Kinda hard to do that if he's not trading it in to them. --- http://i.imgur.com/iQXgYOx.gif http://i.imgur.com/l3frhSF.gif http://i.imgur.com/HM1Hjby.gif https://i.imgur.com/bvsFH0H.jpg - drawn by Yaridovich <cite>Schwarber posted [p:879296855] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mizznox posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CroDalmatinac posted...</cite> <quote>Serves you right for trying to swindle him into a bogus "deal"</quote> What's bogus about it? Instead of him paying the cost of the repair out of pocket, they take it out of the trade-in value. Kinda hard to do that if he's not trading it in to them.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
glitteringfairy 05/17/17 6:47:39 PM #17:	My dad owns a dealership --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y http://i.imgur.com/AqR3aeX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vvuUXpp.jpg <cite>glitteringfairy posted [p:879296871] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>My dad owns a dealership</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 05/17/17 6:49:06 PM #18:	I stole my car from a mechanic once. Senior year of high school. Transmission going out and I brought it in for an estimate. He said something like 3k for the transmission and that it also needed the cam shaft replaced and quoted a few hundred. Told him I wasn't sure about the transmission and didn't want to fix the shaft if I was gonna get a new car and ride thid one til it died. His daughter was graduating with me and he said to think on it and let him know and we'd talk after graduation. Called after and he was on vacation for two weeks. Called week 3 and he was in the hospital. Finally he gets back and calls me and I tell him I'd like to pick it up and don't want work done. He said he already did the cam shaft and it was however much but he wouldn't touch the transmission. I told him I wouldn't pay and that he was never authorized to do the work and after arguing back him saying leaving it there that long was authorization and forth over a few days one night I just took my spare had my cousin drive me down there and took my car back. It was even parked on the street and I didn't have to argue with him. He never called me again. Anyways a few months later the car was completely failing and I was gonna have to spend my motorcycle fund on a new car. The car got hit and insurance paid out 3500 on a car I paid 1500 for. I loved that car and the final gift was getting a car and a bike. --- Give me your tired, your poor,Your masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed, to me. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:879296967] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>I stole my car from a mechanic once. Senior year of high school. Transmission going out and I brought it in for an estimate. He said something like 3k for the transmission and that it also needed the cam shaft replaced and quoted a few hundred. Told him I wasn't sure about the transmission and didn't want to fix the shaft if I was gonna get a new car and ride thid one til it died. His daughter was graduating with me and he said to think on it and let him know and we'd talk after graduation. Called after and he was on vacation for two weeks. Called week 3 and he was in the hospital. Finally he gets back and calls me and I tell him I'd like to pick it up and don't want work done. He said he already did the cam shaft and it was however much but he wouldn't touch the transmission. I told him I wouldn't pay and that he was never authorized to do the work and after arguing back him saying leaving it there that long was authorization and forth over a few days one night I just took my spare had my cousin drive me down there and took my car back. It was even parked on the street and I didn't have to argue with him. He never called me again. Anyways a few months later the car was completely failing and I was gonna have to spend my motorcycle fund on a new car. The car got hit and insurance paid out 3500 on a car I paid 1500 for. I loved that car and the final gift was getting a car and a bike.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 05/17/17 6:50:37 PM #19:	I think all he owes you is the price of work for the engine and parts. because he hasn't actually traded it in to you yet maybe next time when you make a deal like this, have them trade in the car first before you work on repairing it infact, this seems very odd why would you offer to repair first, then trade in? is it like you as the dealer are trying to reserve the right to NOT accept the trade after you repaired the engine? it actually sounds almost like some strange scam --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:879297068] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>I think all he owes you is the price of work for the engine and parts. because he hasn't actually traded it in to you yet maybe next time when you make a deal like this, have them trade in the car first before you work on repairing it infact, this seems very odd why would you offer to repair first, then trade in? is it like you as the dealer are trying to reserve the right to NOT accept the trade after you repaired the engine? it actually sounds almost like some strange scam</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 05/17/17 6:56:10 PM #20:	Mizznox posted... CroDalmatinac posted... Serves you right for trying to swindle him into a bogus "deal" What's bogus about it? Instead of him paying the cost of the repair out of pocket, they take it out of the trade-in value. Kinda hard to do that if he's not trading it in to them. let's do some math if I trade in my junker with a bad engine and you say it is worth $600 as is but $2500 with working engine if I just trade it in as is I get $600 credit if I take your deal and say I will let you repair the engine and then you get to keep the car later as an agreed trade in and you say you will deduct the engine repair cost from total value then says fixed car is worth $2500 but engine repair costed $1900 so the value I get to trade in is $600 what do I get over waiting to trade in after repair vs. just trading it in as is? numbers are made up btw what this hypothetical illustrates is it is illogical to not just take it as a junker and then fix it yourself as you already anticipate to fix it anyways either way like there is obviously something missing here to motivate the dealer to not want to just take it as is and AFTER they own it, repair it what is tc leaving out? it shouldn't be cheaper to repair it as their property vs. as the customer's property the only thing that comes to mind is if the engine repair fails, the dealer can say tough luck to the customer and still charge him for the repair? --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:879297416] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mizznox posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CroDalmatinac posted...</cite> <quote>Serves you right for trying to swindle him into a bogus "deal"</quote> What's bogus about it? Instead of him paying the cost of the repair out of pocket, they take it out of the trade-in value. Kinda hard to do that if he's not trading it in to them.</quote> let's do some math if I trade in my junker with a bad engine and you say it is worth $600 as is but $2500 with working engine if I just trade it in as is I get $600 credit if I take your deal and say I will let you repair the engine and then you get to keep the car later as an agreed trade in and you say you will deduct the engine repair cost from total value then says fixed car is worth $2500 but engine repair costed $1900 so the value I get to trade in is $600 what do I get over waiting to trade in after repair vs. just trading it in as is? numbers are made up btw what this hypothetical illustrates is it is illogical to not just take it as a junker and then fix it yourself as you already anticipate to fix it anyways either way like there is obviously something missing here to motivate the dealer to not want to just take it as is and AFTER they own it, repair it what is tc leaving out? it shouldn't be cheaper to repair it as their property vs. as the customer's property the only thing that comes to mind is if the engine repair fails, the dealer can say tough luck to the customer and still charge him for the repair?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 05/17/17 7:00:55 PM #21:	they get to charge their inflated labor rates if they do the repairs while the customer still owns the truck --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:879297730] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>they get to charge their inflated labor rates if they do the repairs while the customer still owns the truck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 05/17/17 7:01:31 PM #22:	thronedfire2 posted... they get to charge their inflated labor rates if they do the repairs while the customer still owns the truck oh ya, maybe but it sounds like no actual cash exchange like if he don't repair he get $600 credit if he repairs he gets more but not the full value of the repaired car like if repaired it is worth $2500 so they just give him $1000 credit technically he gains $400, that is assuming he couldn't do the repair himself or find a place with cheaper rates or better trade in values well unless the repair cost is more than the worth of the fixed car itself lol --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:879297765] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote>they get to charge their inflated labor rates if they do the repairs while the customer still owns the truck</quote> oh ya, maybe but it sounds like no actual cash exchange like if he don't repair he get $600 credit if he repairs he gets more but not the full value of the repaired car like if repaired it is worth $2500 so they just give him $1000 credit technically he gains $400, that is assuming he couldn't do the repair himself or find a place with cheaper rates or better trade in values well unless the repair cost is more than the worth of the fixed car itself lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 05/17/17 7:03:31 PM #23:	I'm not the one who proposed the deal, for the record. that was between the service director, the finance director and the store manager. I agree it was a dumb move either way, even if he weren't intending to trade it in, he explicitly authorized the repair, and now he owes us $10k in parts and labor <cite>treewojima posted [p:879297894] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>I'm not the one who proposed the deal, for the record. that was between the service director, the finance director and the store manager. I agree it was a dumb move either way, even if he weren't intending to trade it in, he explicitly authorized the repair, and now he owes us $10k in parts and labor</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 05/17/17 7:04:50 PM #24:	What engine was in that truck? --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:879297972] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>What engine was in that truck?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mizznox 05/17/17 7:05:09 PM #25:	I agree that signing everything over before actually doing the repairs makes more sense (and seems like it should be standard operating procedure, certainly is at the dealership I work for), just saying that the basic idea (if you don't want to pay for the repair, just trade it in and we'll take it out of that) is fine and pretty normal. --- http://i.imgur.com/cZmZwYj.jpg <cite>Mizznox posted [p:879297987] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>I agree that signing everything over before actually doing the repairs makes more sense (and seems like it should be standard operating procedure, certainly is at the dealership I work for), just saying that the basic idea (if you don't want to pay for the repair, just trade it in and we'll take it out of that) is fine and pretty normal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 05/17/17 7:05:29 PM #26:	thronedfire2 posted... they get to charge their inflated labor rates if they do the repairs while the customer still owns the truck this is true as well, we wouldn't get the markups. internal lines are always flagged as less than COD <cite>treewojima posted [p:879298013] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote>they get to charge their inflated labor rates if they do the repairs while the customer still owns the truck</quote> this is true as well, we wouldn't get the markups. internal lines are always flagged as less than COD</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 05/17/17 7:07:28 PM #27:	DragonGirlYuki posted... What engine was in that truck? 5.4 modular <cite>treewojima posted [p:879298130] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>DragonGirlYuki posted...</cite> <quote>What engine was in that truck?</quote> 5.4 modular</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 05/17/17 7:13:00 PM #28:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Bloodychess posted... Why did his 09 need a new engine treewojima posted... F-150 Are F-150s known for having poorly made engines or something? --- "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:879298466] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>Why did his 09 need a new engine</quote> <cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote>F-150</quote></quote> Are F-150s known for having poorly made engines or something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 05/17/17 7:27:56 PM #29:	okay, I found out why we kept it in his name for the repairs - he has a third party warranty that would pick up roughly half of the cost. however, they wouldn't authorize any repairs if the vehicle wasn't in his name, so the service director and the customer agreed to do the repairs in his name, thus maximizing his trade-in value while simultaneously getting us our inflated COD rates at least in theory. we didn't count on him stealing the vehicle out of the lot before the trade-in deal was signed lol anyways, if you adjust for what the warranty company is supposed to (hopefully) pay, he only owes us a bit over $5k. still a huge hit <cite>treewojima posted [p:879299321] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>okay, I found out why we kept it in his name for the repairs - he has a third party warranty that would pick up roughly half of the cost. however, they wouldn't authorize any repairs if the vehicle wasn't in his name, so the service director and the customer agreed to do the repairs in his name, thus maximizing his trade-in value while simultaneously getting us our inflated COD rates at least in theory. we didn't count on him stealing the vehicle out of the lot before the trade-in deal was signed lol anyways, if you adjust for what the warranty company is supposed to (hopefully) pay, he only owes us a bit over $5k. still a huge hit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mizznox 05/17/17 7:39:44 PM #30:	treewojima posted... okay, I found out why we kept it in his name for the repairs - he has a third party warranty that would pick up roughly half of the cost. however, they wouldn't authorize any repairs if the vehicle wasn't in his name, so the service director and the customer agreed to do the repairs in his name, thus maximizing his trade-in value while simultaneously getting us our inflated COD rates Ah that makes way more sense. --- http://i.imgur.com/cZmZwYj.jpg <cite>Mizznox posted [p:879299980] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote>okay, I found out why we kept it in his name for the repairs - he has a third party warranty that would pick up roughly half of the cost. however, they wouldn't authorize any repairs if the vehicle wasn't in his name, so the service director and the customer agreed to do the repairs in his name, thus maximizing his trade-in value while simultaneously getting us our inflated COD rates</quote> Ah that makes way more sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 05/18/17 1:56:28 AM #31:	yeah that was actually a pretty good deal idk what that guy was thinking --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:879320526] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote>yeah that was actually a pretty good deal idk what that guy was thinking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 05/18/17 10:08:09 PM #32:	thronedfire2 posted... yeah that was actually a pretty good deal idk what that guy was thinking iuno. he probably just wanted to avoid his portion of the repair bill. surely he realizes that debt doesn't just vanish like a fart in the wind <cite>treewojima posted [p:879378036] in my dealers... [t:75357258]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote>yeah that was actually a pretty good deal idk what that guy was thinking</quote> iuno. he probably just wanted to avoid his portion of the repair bill. surely he realizes that debt doesn't just vanish like a fart in the wind</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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