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thompsontalker7
05/17/17 4:17:36 PM
#51:


SF_Okami posted...
thompsontalker7 posted...
SF_Okami posted...
I hate almost all JRPGs so....meh


This doesn't play much like a JRPG though if you're talking about general gameplay


It's not that. Just the setting of JRPGs usually are crap to me. I was at my university and a dude was playing disagea and I was watching. I was cringing so hard >.> Other JRPGs have the same effect. Just not for me.


yeah I get that

I've been partial to more WRPGs the older I get actually
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darkphoenix181
05/17/17 4:17:51 PM
#52:


thompsontalker7 posted...
I haven't touched Disgaea since 2012

I'm more hyped for Echoes this week actually

why are you trying to counter an argument that wasn't being made


thompsontalker7 posted...
Tappor posted...
i'm a nintendrone and don't see anything wrong with disgaea--or any game that isn't really available on nintendo consoles, really--being put on the switch

it needs it tbh


People are treating it as some sort of imitation Fire Emblem and it triggers me so


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fire_Emblem_video_games
Fire Emblem is a series of tactical role-playing video games developed by Intelligent Systems and published by Nintendo. Its first game released in Japan in 1990, and is credited with both originating and popularizing its genre.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_role-playing_game
However, the genre did not become prolific until Nintendo released and published the game that set the template for tactical wargame RPGs, Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ry%u016B to Hikari no Tsurugi, created and developed by Intelligent Systems for the NES. Released in Japan in 1990, Fire Emblem was an archetype for the whole genre, establishing gameplay elements that are still used in tactical RPGs today,



if it wasn't an imitation it wouldn't be an srpg since fire emblem cemented the elements that make a game part of the genre



like how ridiculous to get triggered by people given the game that defined the genre the credit for defining the genre
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SF_Okami
05/17/17 4:27:14 PM
#53:


Disagea, Final Fantasy, and especially fucking Kingdom Heart with the fucking Disney characters I can't take seriously.

I have been surviving on Overwatch, Mass Effect, every sports game series, and Civ lately lol.

What classifies as a WRPG tho?
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thompsontalker7
05/17/17 4:28:42 PM
#54:


that's not what I said though

I said you can't call something an imitation just because someone else has been doing it longer

was Tekken an imitation Virtua Fighter because VF came out first
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darkphoenix181
05/17/17 4:30:49 PM
#55:


thompsontalker7 posted...
that's not what I said though

I said you can't call something an imitation just because someone else has been doing it longer

was Tekken an imitation Virtua Fighter because VF came out first


then the error seems to be on your part not understanding that it isn't because fire emblem was simply doing it longer

but because fire emblem defined the genre
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thompsontalker7
05/17/17 5:25:50 PM
#56:


I can tell you just wanna argue seeing as how you somehow reached that conclusion when I was just initially explaining why people didn't play Disgaea on the fucking DS of all systems lol

I didn't make an error bud
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Spidey5
05/17/17 5:28:55 PM
#57:


Nintendo fans aren't very smart when it comes to Japanese games that are too Japanese. Whatever that means.
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darkphoenix181
05/17/17 7:16:26 PM
#58:


thompsontalker7 posted...
I can tell you just wanna argue seeing as how you somehow reached that conclusion when I was just initially explaining why people didn't play Disgaea on the fucking DS of all systems lol

I didn't make an error bud


im·i·ta·tion
%u02CCim%u0259%u02C8t%u0101SH(%u0259)n/
noun
noun: imitation

1.
the action of using someone or something as a model.
"a child learns to speak by imitation"
synonyms:emulation, copying, echoing, parroting
"learning by imitation"


thompsontalker7 posted...
I said you can't call something an imitation just because someone else has been doing it longer


being that disgaea is not a new genre maker, it didn't make a new genre,
it is by all definitions an imitation

it takes the mold that fire emblem created and uses that


just cause you maybe don't like fire emblem doesn't mean people who call it an imitation are wrong, and I doubt they are even saying that negatively like "omg they copying fire emblem!!"

infact what was quoted earlier shows they didn't do that, they said "this game seems similar"

as in, it has elements of

it is taken from the mold of


so no, you are dead wrong


I reached no conclusion, I simply quoted what you said

it is very obvious you probably had no idea that fire emblem essentially is what made the genre and thus you got butthurt that people dared suggest disgaea copied from fire emblem

but it cannot be denied that indeed disgaea did copy from fire emblem when it is the genre setter, else the game would be in a different genre

but now that you know it made the genre, you can't admit you were wrong, shame
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Axiom
05/17/17 7:17:45 PM
#59:


Did you really expect Switch owners to like Disgaea. Have you seen the games that Nintendo typically releases on their consoles
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Cookie Bag
05/17/17 7:20:05 PM
#60:


Axiom posted...
Did you really expect Switch owners to like Disgaea. Have you seen the games that Nintendo typically releases on their consoles

To be honest it takes a special kind of person to fully enjoy the disgaea games, they're the epitome of "Grindy" gameplay, and i love it lol.
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thompsontalker7
05/17/17 7:21:30 PM
#61:


You're wrong on your whole "imitation=precedent" insane troll logic because the two games share almost no similarities besides having a grid system and turn based combat

No one's trying to take anything away from Fire Emblem, you know? But no, you're convinced that I'm trying to downplay Fire Emblem's importance for the genre despite that having absolutely no bearing in what I said previously

All this because you're fucking pissed that I didn't imply that a few people played the DS Disgaea lol

ffs I thought that was more straightforward

do you still think I'm a Sony shill or something lol
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thompsontalker7
05/17/17 7:22:00 PM
#62:


Cookie Bag posted...
Axiom posted...
Did you really expect Switch owners to like Disgaea. Have you seen the games that Nintendo typically releases on their consoles

To be honest it takes a special kind of person to fully enjoy the disgaea games, they're the epitome of "Grindy" gameplay, and i love it lol.


I like the over-the-top animations and character designs myself
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Axiom
05/17/17 7:23:33 PM
#63:


Cookie Bag posted...
Axiom posted...
Did you really expect Switch owners to like Disgaea. Have you seen the games that Nintendo typically releases on their consoles

To be honest it takes a special kind of person to fully enjoy the disgaea games, they're the epitome of "Grindy" gameplay, and i love it lol.

I like it too. I remember playing the first Disgaea on a lark and ending up loving it but yeah this game is definitely not for the typical nintendo crowd
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darkphoenix181
05/17/17 7:25:50 PM
#64:


thompsontalker7 posted...
You're wrong on your whole "imitation=precedent" insane troll logic because the two games share almost no similarities besides having a grid system and turn based combat


if they are so different, then why are they in the same genre?

gen·re
%u02C8ZHänr%u0259/
noun
noun: genre; plural noun: genres

a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter.
synonyms:category, class, classification, group, set, list; More
type, sort, kind, breed, variety, style, model, school, stamp, cast, ilk
"historical fiction is my favorite genre of literature"



and no I am not pissed at all

you are the one who said you got triggered and I am giving you the information to make the correct decision to not be triggered by actual historical facts you can't deny


disgaea is in the same genre because it imitiates the elements, it is as simple as that

like the first rapper set what it means to be a rap, the next guy imitates him, and they guy after imitates him as well

they can bring new things to rap, but to have their music still be labeled rap it must imitate the first elements the first dude who rapped set as the foundation

what part of that is hard to understand?

the next guy who tries to be super revolutionary instead winds up not making rap but a whole new genre, he then isn't an imitator but a trend setter

but disgeae didn't make a new genre
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Megaman50100
05/17/17 7:26:38 PM
#65:


Disgaea 5 is going to be my second physical switch game.
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thompsontalker7
05/17/17 7:28:08 PM
#66:


darkphoenix181 posted...

disgaea is in the same genre because it imitiates the elements, it is as simple as that


obviously.

your mistake is thinking that being in the same genre equals imitation of Fire Emblem

darkphoenix181 posted...

you are the one who said you got triggered and I am giving you the information to make the correct decision to not be triggered by actual historical facts you can't deny


nothing you have said so far has been fact outside of those random definitions you posted

don't start with me kiddo I'm in a debating mood tonight
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steveoSEK
05/17/17 7:28:38 PM
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Mist_Turnips
05/17/17 7:30:31 PM
#68:


How can Disgaia be an imitation of Fire Emblem when Disgaia is actually good?
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Axiom
05/17/17 7:32:51 PM
#69:


Mist_Turnips posted...
How can Disgaia be an imitation of Fire Emblem when Disgaia is actually good?

Wait did someone call it an imitation of Fire Emblem in this topic. Lmao. If you're going to call it an imitation of anything then it should be Final Fantasy Tactics
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Leanaunfurled
05/17/17 7:35:36 PM
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He said imitation in the same vein someone would use rip-off, it really doesn't take a genius to realize that. You know, like Dark Souls - > Lords of the Fallen. Disgaea and Fire Emblem have the same tactical combat and...that's it. You'd have to be a joke poster to insist Disgaea an imitation.
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FighterStreet
05/17/17 7:42:30 PM
#71:


NinjaPirateDood posted...
EbonTitanium posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
FighterStreet posted...
creativerealms posted...
When did SRPGs start being known as TRPGs?

srpg=simulation rpg
they are interchangeable,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_role-playing_game


What even is a simulation rpg?

I thought the S meant Strategy or Strategic.

it does. no idea what the fuck a "simulation rpg" is. The Sims?

it's amazing how many people dont actually click the link and read the first couple of lines
your answer is in there
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Cookie Bag
05/17/17 9:07:14 PM
#72:


Axiom posted...
Cookie Bag posted...
Axiom posted...
Did you really expect Switch owners to like Disgaea. Have you seen the games that Nintendo typically releases on their consoles

To be honest it takes a special kind of person to fully enjoy the disgaea games, they're the epitome of "Grindy" gameplay, and i love it lol.

I like it too. I remember playing the first Disgaea on a lark and ending up loving it but yeah this game is definitely not for the typical nintendo crowd

I would say typical anything crowd, not just nintendo, the game revolves around grinding, not everyone likes that sort of shit.

Edit: then again this topic was made specifically to take a dump on people that play on nintendo consoles so eh
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KLouD_KoNNeCteD
05/17/17 9:09:22 PM
#73:


Who cares about the Nintendo Shitch??
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Megaman50100
05/17/17 9:32:47 PM
#74:


Axiom posted...
Wait did someone call it an imitation of Fire Emblem in this topic. Lmao. If you're going to call it an imitation of anything then it should be Final Fantasy Tactics

which is an imitation of Tactics Ogre, down to the same art style.
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GiftedACIII
05/17/17 11:30:00 PM
#75:


What? From what I've seen Switch fans uphold that game as a reason to get Switch. It's not like Switch has any other games out there besides Zelda right now anyway.
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thompsontalker7
05/18/17 12:16:15 AM
#76:


GiftedACIII posted...
What? From what I've seen Switch fans uphold that game as a reason to get Switch. It's not like Switch has any other games out there besides Zelda right now anyway.


It does have the best version of Puyo Puyo for some reason

Keep in mind if you told me about that game a month ago I would've laughed it off
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darkphoenix181
05/18/17 12:19:37 PM
#77:


Megaman50100 posted...
Axiom posted...
Wait did someone call it an imitation of Fire Emblem in this topic. Lmao. If you're going to call it an imitation of anything then it should be Final Fantasy Tactics

which is an imitation of Tactics Ogre, down to the same art style.



which is an imitiation of fire emblem


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fire_Emblem_video_games

Fire Emblem is a series of tactical role-playing video games developed by Intelligent Systems and published by Nintendo. Its first game released in Japan in 1990, and is credited with both originating and popularizing its genre.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_role-playing_game

However, the genre did not become prolific until Nintendo released and published the game that set the template for tactical wargame RPGs, Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ry%u016B to Hikari no Tsurugi, created and developed by Intelligent Systems for the NES. Released in Japan in 1990, Fire Emblem was an archetype for the whole genre, establishing gameplay elements that are still used in tactical RPGs today,

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darkphoenix181
05/18/17 12:22:01 PM
#78:


Leanaunfurled posted...
He said imitation in the same vein someone would use rip-off, it really doesn't take a genius to realize that. You know, like Dark Souls - > Lords of the Fallen. Disgaea and Fire Emblem have the same tactical combat and...that's it. You'd have to be a joke poster to insist Disgaea an imitation.


except tc is the one who used imitiation

when the people who triggered him didn't actually say imitiation but things like "are these games similar?"
"this is like fire emblem"

imitation as a word doesn't mean rip off though, it literally just means to imitate something, which means take from

which is undisputable when fire emblem set the genre, of course if you have a game in the same genre, you are mimicking or imitating the element that make fire emblem an srpg

else you made no srpg


here is what triggers tc

thompsontalker7 posted...
Turbam posted...
Also, where are all these switch owners that are looking at D5 negatively?
All I've seen in praise


I enjoy hyperbole so my topic was referring to the boards here mostly

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/189706-nintendo-switch/75356519
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/189706-nintendo-switch/75355250
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/189706-nintendo-switch/75352529

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thompsontalker7
05/18/17 2:33:05 PM
#79:


shut the fuck up Rika

no one cared what you thought to begin with
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GiftedACIII
05/18/17 4:05:27 PM
#80:


thompsontalker7 posted...
shut the fuck up Rika

no one cared what you thought to begin with

lol wrong topic? He hasn't posted in here
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darkphoenix181
05/18/17 4:10:48 PM
#81:


@Rika_Furude why is tc mad at you?
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Rika_Furude
05/18/17 4:23:34 PM
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thompsontalker7
05/18/17 4:32:01 PM
#83:


why are you talking to yourself

I don't think it's possible for two separate people to be this dense but there you go
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darkphoenix181
05/18/17 4:40:07 PM
#84:


wut
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thompsontalker7
05/18/17 4:42:35 PM
#85:


you used the word imitation in the wrong context not me

suck it up

build a bridge

/slammed
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darkphoenix181
05/18/17 5:07:01 PM
#86:


thompsontalker7 posted...
you used the word imitation in the wrong context not me

suck it up

build a bridge

/slammed



thompsontalker7 posted...
Tappor posted...
i'm a nintendrone and don't see anything wrong with disgaea--or any game that isn't really available on nintendo consoles, really--being put on the switch

it needs it tbh


People are treating it as some sort of imitation Fire Emblem and it triggers me so



thompsontalker7 posted...
Turbam posted...
Also, where are all these switch owners that are looking at D5 negatively?
All I've seen in praise


I enjoy hyperbole so my topic was referring to the boards here mostly

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/189706-nintendo-switch/75356519
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/189706-nintendo-switch/75355250
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/189706-nintendo-switch/75352529


no one actually called it an imitation

one of the threads you linked as why you made this topic says and I quote

"Wow that Disgae 5 is weird.
But not bad. Reminds me a bit of fire emblem in gameplay. I wouldn't pay $59 for it though. Dialogue is very strange (Japanese) for me. Any thoughts?"

oh my goodness! How dare they suggest Disgaea is at all similar to Fire Emblem who made the genre! triggered!
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GiftedACIII
05/18/17 7:26:43 PM
#87:


thompsontalker7 posted...
why are you talking to yourself

I don't think it's possible for two separate people to be this dense but there you go


Darkphoenix is clearly not Rika, dude.
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Darmik
05/18/17 7:33:55 PM
#88:


lol good ol' thompsontalker is literally the only account that has blocked me because he thought it was absolutely ridiculous that Nintendo would use cartridges for the Switch (NX back then) and I was a ridiculous fanboy for not thinking that it was a terrible idea.

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