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Full Throttle 05/14/17 3:18:55 AM #1: |
The whackos showed up at 9pm today but only for 10 minutes as police were called to break them up and forced them to scatter Public figures condemned the gathering including Mayor Mike Signer who said "The event was either profoundly ignorant or was designed to instill fear in our minority populations in a way that hearkens back to the days of the KKK. Either way, as mayor of this city, i want everyone to know this: We reject this intimidation. We are a ewlcoming city but such tolerance is not welcome here" The council voted 3-2 to have the statue booted and to sell the monument as the debate of the statue had been ongoing for a year that attracted white supremacists. The 39 y/o has been credited for reviving "white power" in people and quoted Nazi propaganda who says Donald Trump is leading them to what America SHOULD be and what they envisioned because they know deep down he is on their side. Do you agree with the KKK that "Russia" is friend of America?. Richard - Creepy Supremacist http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/14/06/404B1E1D00000578-4503906-image-a-43_1494740591421.jpg Nazi's - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/14/06/404B1E2B00000578-4503906-image-a-44_1494740637604.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/14/06/404B1DFD00000578-4503906-image-m-38_1494740503177.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/14/06/404B1DF900000578-4503906-image-a-39_1494740509631.jpg Statue - Eliminated http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/14/07/404BAEDE00000578-4503906-image-a-11_1494744520422.jpg --- call me mrduckbear, sweater monkeys. Everytime a GFAQS User Steps On A Bug, I'll Stop Posting for 24 HOURS I'm an Asian Liberal. RESIST The Alt-Right ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 05/14/17 3:21:37 AM #2: |
Those people are idiots but I don't agree with the removal of the statue either, it is important to have reminders of our history, both the good and the bad aspects of it
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Zeus 05/14/17 3:23:11 AM #3: |
At least they didn't burn shit down and attack people like antifa... although, if they had, they might have got their way like antifa does. In general, it seemed like a peaceful protest other than the stupid decision to bring out torches... wait, this is a daily mail article, right? Torches in the UK could just mean flashlights. No wait, actual torches.
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Zeus 05/14/17 3:25:25 AM #4: |
Mead posted...
Those people are idiots but I don't agree with the removal of the statue either, it is important to have reminders of our history, both the good and the bad aspects of it But if we don't erase the bad parts of our history, how can we convince people that America is always right?! --- (\/)(\/)|-| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheCyborgNinja 05/14/17 3:27:33 AM #5: |
I agree with anyone that wants to piss in the face of the current global financial establishment. I'm not an anarchist or "share the wealth" supporter by any means, quite the opposite, but the world is being held by the balls because of some corrupt old money families and the shit they pulled to take over an economy that isn't backed by more than a collective agreement to support it. Libya and Iraq weren't accidents, and China and Russia are too menacing to treat the same way.
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Zareth 05/14/17 10:31:40 AM #6: |
Full Throttle posted...
pro-slavery Civil War General Robert E Lee Rober E Lee hated slavery. The only reason he fought for the South is because he couldn't bear to fight his own people if he fought for the North. --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/sage_assassin20/13295475117601.gif http://i.imgur.com/WOo6wcq.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 05/14/17 10:57:46 AM #7: |
Careful, duckbear. Even if these people literally call themselves "neo-nazi", you can get moderations against you for calling them nazis on safespaceFAQS. Don't want to "offend" anyone, facts are irrelevant.
As for the story, I'm fine w/ taking down public displays of honor of people who committed terrible acts. That sort of stuff shouldn't be destroyed, if you destroy history people will forget it. But it can be relegated to museum exhibits and similar. Putting a big honking statue of someone a huge portion of the population rightly reviles in outdoor public areas / town squares / etc... is more than merely "remembering" who he was. Zareth posted... Full Throttle posted...pro-slavery Civil War General Robert E Lee If his only reason was not wanting to fight Southerners, he could've just...I don't know...not joined either side? Crazy thought, I know. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yutterh 05/14/17 11:05:47 AM #8: |
streamofthesky posted...
Careful, duckbear. Even if these people literally call themselves "neo-nazi", you can get moderations against you for calling them nazis on safespaceFAQS. Don't want to "offend" anyone, facts are irrelevant. Then he be letting his family die. He had to do something. I respect him as a great general. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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jamieyello3 05/14/17 11:23:28 AM #9: |
Why would you want a big statue of someone that fought for slavery?
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yutterh 05/14/17 12:09:10 PM #10: |
jamieyello3 posted...
Why would you want a big statue of someone that fought for slavery? He didn't fight for slavery. He fought for his family. Not all of the confederate states fought because of slavery. They fought for many things. Slavery is just what broke the camels back. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 05/14/17 2:19:37 PM #11: |
streamofthesky posted...
Careful, duckbear. Even if these people literally call themselves "neo-nazi", you can get moderations against you for calling them nazis on safespaceFAQS. Don't want to "offend" anyone, facts are irrelevant. They've actually never modded Ducky for calling anybody a Nazi, including 17 year-old girls whose only "crime" was being Republican. He gets a free pass on all that shit, just as he will in this topic. Personally, I got warned for calling somebody who supported book burnings and the suppression a free speech one which, you know, are two of the biggest tropes. streamofthesky posted... As for the story, I'm fine w/ taking down public displays of honor of people who committed terrible acts. That sort of stuff shouldn't be destroyed, if you destroy history people will forget it. But it can be relegated to museum exhibits and similar. Putting a big honking statue of someone a huge portion of the population rightly reviles in outdoor public areas / town squares / etc... is more than merely "remembering" who he was. That's not really a terrible act in itself, he was just the general of a losing war. It's not like he got a statue for rounding up Native Americans or the Japanese into camps.He's a very important historical figure who isn't directly tied to genocide, etc. If it was just a matter of he supported a government which favored slavery, then you'd have to remove all of Washington's statues as well. streamofthesky posted... Zareth posted...Full Throttle posted...pro-slavery Civil War General Robert E Lee Yeah, the North was fucking brutal during the war. They were big into civilian casualties. jamieyello3 posted... Why would you want a big statue of someone that fought for slavery? I know that you're young so you've only been taught the overly simplistic kindergarten version of the Civil War, but there were more issues involved than just "slavery" Honestly, if the US was invaded by Canada tomorrow who cited, as a chief concern, the treatment of black people and you decided to fight against Canada, would that mean you supported the harm of black people? --- (\/)(\/)|-| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yutterh 05/14/17 6:25:58 PM #12: |
Zeus posted...
streamofthesky posted...Careful, duckbear. Even if these people literally call themselves "neo-nazi", you can get moderations against you for calling them nazis on safespaceFAQS. Don't want to "offend" anyone, facts are irrelevant. This, unfortunately most people just see it as fighting for slavery. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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jamieyello3 05/14/17 9:30:13 PM #13: |
Honestly if that's really all the south has to be proud of then sure.
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EvilMegas 05/14/17 9:34:32 PM #14: |
Mead posted...
Those people are idiots but I don't agree with the removal of the statue either, it is important to have reminders of our history, both the good and the bad aspects of it Okay but you dont have to memorialize something horrible. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 05/14/17 9:36:28 PM #15: |
Zeus posted...
I know that you're young so you've only been taught the overly simplistic kindergarten version of the Civil War, but there were more issues involved than just "slavery" K. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 05/14/17 9:38:05 PM #16: |
EvilMegas posted...
Mead posted...Those people are idiots but I don't agree with the removal of the statue either, it is important to have reminders of our history, both the good and the bad aspects of it If it is historically significant, I disagree. To memorialize something is to remember it. To not forget. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yutterh 05/14/17 9:52:32 PM #17: |
Mead posted...
EvilMegas posted...Mead posted...Those people are idiots but I don't agree with the removal of the statue either, it is important to have reminders of our history, both the good and the bad aspects of it Agreed whole heartedly. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheCyborgNinja 05/14/17 9:57:58 PM #18: |
yutterh posted...
jamieyello3 posted...Why would you want a big statue of someone that fought for slavery? Yeah, we can all agree slavery is bad, but not everything is motived by it here. The economic fallout would've been devastating, regardless of the morality. Even if you weren't a slave-owner, the whole house of cards coming down could mean you can't feed your family. Most people don't give a shit about anything else when it comes down to something like that. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 05/14/17 10:31:29 PM #19: |
Mead posted...
Those people are idiots but I don't agree with the removal of the statue either, it is important to have reminders of our history, both the good and the bad aspects of it It's one thing to remember our history, another entirely to celebrate the worst parts of it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FourthDimension 05/14/17 11:14:24 PM #20: |
I don't know how we could remember the horrors of the holocaust, without all of the Hitler statues to remind us of it.
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acesxhigh 05/14/17 11:19:08 PM #21: |
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Mead 05/15/17 12:18:52 AM #22: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...Those people are idiots but I don't agree with the removal of the statue either, it is important to have reminders of our history, both the good and the bad aspects of it A memorial doesn't necessarily celebrate something. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 05/15/17 12:37:31 AM #23: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...Those people are idiots but I don't agree with the removal of the statue either, it is important to have reminders of our history, both the good and the bad aspects of it Kind of like how we celebrate 9/11 with the Freedom Tower, right? Oh wait... --- (\/)(\/)|-| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheCyborgNinja 05/15/17 12:39:55 AM #24: |
acesxhigh posted...
you know, the dnc's obession with russia is really bizarre. Yeah, agreed. It's like when some reverend won't stop hating on gay people for five minutes. Most of the time there's some bone-on-bone action. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 05/15/17 9:21:34 AM #25: |
Zeus posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...Mead posted...Those people are idiots but I don't agree with the removal of the statue either, it is important to have reminders of our history, both the good and the bad aspects of it That is a memorial to the victims. Not a tribute to the terrorists. You like to claim you know things, you should know that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 05/15/17 9:22:49 AM #26: |
yutterh posted...
Mead posted...EvilMegas posted...Mead posted...Those people are idiots but I don't agree with the removal of the statue either, it is important to have reminders of our history, both the good and the bad aspects of it lol no. Put it in a book not a giant grandiose statue which honors someone. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yutterh 05/15/17 10:22:18 AM #27: |
EvilMegas posted...
yutterh posted...Mead posted...EvilMegas posted...Mead posted...Those people are idiots but I don't agree with the removal of the statue either, it is important to have reminders of our history, both the good and the bad aspects of it Some times when a enemy is honorable, you give them a honorable statue. It is giving honor to a worthy adversary and fallin brother. Because even though we disagreed on issues, he was still an american who fought bravely for his country. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zareth 05/15/17 10:23:47 AM #28: |
jamieyello3 posted...
Why would you want a big statue of someone that fought for slavery? Revisionist history at work. Everyone who was on the losing side in a war was a hateful bigot who deserved to die. --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/sage_assassin20/13295475117601.gif http://i.imgur.com/WOo6wcq.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zareth 05/15/17 10:27:20 AM #29: |
Steve is just jealous Robert E Lee fought for Northern Virginia instead of Maryland.
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Clench281 05/15/17 10:27:49 AM #30: |
this was atypical for Charlottesville, and conducted by people from out of town. a counter protest was held last night where people brought candles.
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Unfernal_Server 05/15/17 11:44:25 AM #31: |
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Golden Road 05/15/17 11:51:59 AM #32: |
yutterh posted...
Because even though we disagreed on issues, he was still an american who fought bravely for his country. The Civil War was kinda' about people deciding to stop being American. --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yutterh 05/15/17 12:32:38 PM #33: |
Golden Road posted...
yutterh posted...Because even though we disagreed on issues, he was still an american who fought bravely for his country. Well they were american's during the war. Besides probably would have been more like north korea and south korea/north vietnam and south vietnam. They would still be considered american. Just the confederate states of america : p --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 05/15/17 1:37:10 PM #34: |
yutterh posted...
EvilMegas posted...yutterh posted...Mead posted...EvilMegas posted...Mead posted...Those people are idiots but I don't agree with the removal of the statue either, it is important to have reminders of our history, both the good and the bad aspects of it Put that shit in a book. Not a statue. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 05/15/17 6:43:44 PM #35: |
Zareth posted...
jamieyello3 posted...Why would you want a big statue of someone that fought for slavery? Everyone didn't get a statue made for them. The leaders who had a choice and knew the politics are the ones who have the statues. yutterh posted... Some times when a enemy is honorable, you give them a honorable statue. It is giving honor to a worthy adversary and fallin brother. Because even though we disagreed on issues, he was still an american who fought bravely for his country. I should have fond feelings for a man who murdered thousands upon thousands of American citizens to defend slavery? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvilMegas 05/16/17 8:45:14 AM #36: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
Zareth posted...jamieyello3 posted...Why would you want a big statue of someone that fought for slavery? He had honor while doing it, so it's fine. Dontcha know? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SkynyrdRocker 05/16/17 9:03:34 AM #37: |
This is an impressively bad article, even for you, duck bear. You managed to never mention what damn city it was in.
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streamofthesky 05/17/17 12:51:50 AM #38: |
Zeus posted...
streamofthesky posted...Careful, duckbear. Even if these people literally call themselves "neo-nazi", you can get moderations against you for calling them nazis on safespaceFAQS. Don't want to "offend" anyone, facts are irrelevant. While the nazis did both of those things (among many other atrocities like torture and enslavement), so did all sorts of other tyrants and autocrats long before the nazis. Like, this ancient Chinese emperor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_books_and_burying_of_scholars I reserve the term nazi for people who engage(d) in, attempt(ed) to engage in, or condone(d) (including by denial even in the face of unassailable evidence that it occurred) genocide. In my entire time on GameFAQ forums, I've only used it three times. Once at a poster who said Germany lost its way after World War II ended and twice at Marine Le Pen, a holocaust denier. All three occasions were modded, and in the case of the poster (who went on to say I was part of the JIDF, an acronym I had to google, and later complained about Jews trying to twist history...all in the same topic) was never modded at all. I try not to over-use it when it's a stretch because then it dilutes the meaning of it. That said, while I disagree with you on labeling those people nazis, I wouldn't fucking report you to the mods for it. And I'm glad Duckbear hasn't gotten in trouble for it, either. No one should. If you accuse everyone of being a nazi, no one will take your accusations seriously anyway so it's a non-existent problem. Zeus posted... streamofthesky posted...As for the story, I'm fine w/ taking down public displays of honor of people who committed terrible acts. That sort of stuff shouldn't be destroyed, if you destroy history people will forget it. But it can be relegated to museum exhibits and similar. Putting a big honking statue of someone a huge portion of the population rightly reviles in outdoor public areas / town squares / etc... is more than merely "remembering" who he was. I think there's a degree of difference between the founding fathers not making slavery illegal in the Constitution and someone rebelling against the U.S. when it tries, through the legally established protocols of the Constitution, to end slavery... Zeus posted... Yeah, the North was fucking brutal during the war. They were big into civilian casualties. The South was plenty brutal, too. And shot first... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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