Current Events > Richard Spencer and HUNDREDS of White People hold TORCHES in PROTEST!!

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39 y/o Alt-Right Leader and White Supremacist Freak, Richard Spencer and HUNDREDS of TORCH-WIELDING Mobs of Supremicsts crying "Russia is our Friend" and "You Will Not Replace Us" in protest of the removal of controversial statue of pro-slavery Civil War General Robert E Lee in Virginia!!

The whackos showed up at 9pm today but only for 10 minutes as police were called to break them up and forced them to scatter

Public figures condemned the gathering including Mayor Mike Signer who said "The event was either profoundly ignorant or was designed to instill fear in our minority populations in a way that hearkens back to the days of the KKK. Either way, as mayor of this city, i want everyone to know this: We reject this intimidation. We are a ewlcoming city but such tolerance is not welcome here"

The council voted 3-2 to have the statue booted and to sell the monument as the debate of the statue had been ongoing for a year that attracted white supremacists.

The 39 y/o has been credited for reviving "white power" in people and quoted Nazi propaganda who says Donald Trump is leading them to what America SHOULD be and what they envisioned because they know deep down he is on their side.

Do you agree with the KKK that "Russia" is friend of America?

Richard - Creepy Supremacist

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Nazi's -

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Statue - Eliminated

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Sounds like he needs another punch to the face for that mob
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But is he sexy?
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if by friend you mean one of our main geopolitical rivals along with china, then sure
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Was him standing amongst a mob of torch wielding wackos the appropriate time to have a spirited debate with him? When will lefties just go and have a good old fashioned debate with the torch wielding neo-nazi?
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This is a reminder that none of this would have gotten any coverage if people didn't think it was a good idea to suckerpunch Nazis on the street.
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Keep your friends close, but you enemies closer.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Was him standing amongst a mob of torch wielding wackos the appropriate time to have a spirited debate with him? When will lefties just go and have a good old fashioned debate with the torch wielding neo-nazi?

They forgot their hoods.



KKK, gone in name only.
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Mal_Fet posted...

This is a reminder that none of this would have gotten any coverage if people didn't think it was a good idea to suckerpunch Nazis on the street.

broken clocks

mal is right
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Mal_Fet posted...

This is a reminder that none of this would have gotten any coverage if people didn't think it was a good idea to suckerpunch Nazis on the street.

I post a story about this had nothing to do with guy. Yeah people in VA noticed a group of a racist protesting like it is 1934
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looks like most say No
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Mal_Fet posted...

This is a reminder that none of this would have gotten any coverage if people didn't think it was a good idea to suckerpunch Nazis on the street.

This wouldn't have happened if there weren't fucking Nazis to begin with. You've gotta be pretty twisted to blame the people fighting Nazis for the Nazi's existence.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

This is a reminder that none of this would have gotten any coverage if people didn't think it was a good idea to suckerpunch Nazis on the street.

broken clocks

mal is right

If all it took was for some neo-nazi getting punched for you to think it's a to go pick up your torch then you suck at history class and you were probably inclined to go pick up that torch in the first place. Fuck your crocodile tears.
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_Near_ posted...

This wouldn't have happened if there weren't fucking Nazis to begin with.

Well since we aren't living in Magical Unicorn Land where no bad people exist, let's accept that sacrificing ethics and the rule of law to fight bad people isn't a good idea and will only lead to more of this crap, k?

3rd_Best_Master posted...

If all it took was for some neo-nazi getting punched for you to think it's a to go pick up your torch then you suck at history class and you were probably inclined to go pick up that torch in the first place. Fuck your crocodile tears.

Ok, so keep assaulting these people. See if it makes them less resolute in their ideology.

"Well, I did think America was falling to the globalist degenerates, but then a globalist degenerate hit me in the face. I guess I'll stop being a Nazi now!"
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"I never used to hate minorities, but seeing Richard Spencer getting punched in the mouth made me think it was a good idea to go pick up a torch and intimidate them into submission."

Yeah, that circle don't square, Mal.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Well since we aren't living in Magical Unicorn Land where no bad people exist, let's accept that sacrificing ethics and the rule of law to fight bad people isn't a good idea and will only lead to more of this crap, k?

So punching Nazis is sacrificing ethics but being a Nazi isn't?

Yeah, you've just got no moral compass.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

"I never used to hate minorities, but seeing Richard Spencer getting punched in the mouth made me think it was a good idea to go pick up a torch and intimidate them into submission."

Yeah, that circle don't square, Mal.

"Whoa, some thug just punched that guy in the head when he wasn't doing anything, but why though?

Oh, he's like a Nazi? What kind of things does he say though?

Hey, I think he's RIGHT about a lot of this! I wonder who else is out there like him..."

No, obviously not everyone out there is going to be radicalized. But some people are, and assaulting people like Spencer will only serve to expose more of these people to him. Case in point:


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_Near_ posted...

So punching Nazis is sacrificing ethics but being a Nazi isn't?

Neither is ethical...what part of this aren't you getting
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Notti posted...

KKK, gone in name only.

original KKK didn't actually have those white hoods. They were made up costumes for the Birth of a Nation movie which was so popular it ended up resurrecting the KKK (which had already died twice at that point) where they used the costumes from the movie as the uniform.

One might say this is just a return to form for them.
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Remember when Richard Spencer used to be irrelevant and generally unknown until the news kept bringing him up after he got sucker-punched by Antifa? I do.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Neither is ethical...what part of this aren't you getting

the part where you're adamant about advocating anti-Nazis to act properly when you should be putting the onus on Nazis to not be Nazis. But you just go "lol, boys will be boys" instead of proposing measures to eradicate a clearly dangerous ideology. You literally think that learning how to tolerate Nazis is a more worthwhile goal than learning how to eradicate the ideology.
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Mal_Fet posted...

"Whoa, some thug just punched that guy in the head when he wasn't doing anything, but why though?

Oh, he's like a Nazi? What kind of things does he say though?

Hey, I think he's RIGHT about a lot of this! I wonder who else is out there like him..."

No, obviously not everyone out there is going to be radicalized. But some people are, and assaulting people like Spencer will only serve to expose more of these people to him. Case in point:

So exactly what I said then. Queue more crocodile tears from the nascent Neo-Nazis who suck at history class.
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Punching people is wrong, but lol at that hypothetical. People are not just waiting for a Nazi to be punched to start acting like sentient sacks of bloody diarrhea. They were human piles of awful filth already. They just got brave.
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_Near_ posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Neither is ethical...what part of this aren't you getting

the part where you're adamant about advocating anti-Nazis to act properly when you should be putting the onus on Nazis to not be Nazis. But you just go "lol, boys will be boys" instead of proposing measures to eradicate a clearly dangerous ideology. You literally think that learning how to tolerate Nazis is a more worthwhile goal than learning how to eradicate the ideology.

Which is ironic as fuck cause Mal absolutely loves his M&M analogy when talking about refugees. Apparently Mal sees those poor KKK backers as a muzzled dog that hasn't bitten anyone lately and only wants the muzzle to come off in order to prove how misunderstood they are.
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A neo-Nazi thinks Russia is their friend? Might want to brush up on WW2 history.
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_Near_ posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Neither is ethical...what part of this aren't you getting

the part where you're adamant about advocating anti-Nazis to act properly when you should be putting the onus on Nazis to not be Nazis. But you just go "lol, boys will be boys" instead of proposing measures to eradicate a clearly dangerous ideology. You literally think that learning how to tolerate Nazis is a more worthwhile goal than learning how to eradicate the ideology.

Not all wrongs are created equal, but they are still wrong. Anyone who punches people for ideologies is a fucking douche that should be publicly called out. Violence is not the answer.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Not all wrongs are created equal, but they are still wrong. Anyone who punches people for ideologies is a fucking douche that should be publicly called out. Violence is not the answer.

Sure, it's wrong, but this nonsense narrative spin that Richard Spencer is some peaceful guy who just wants to give speeches is bullshit. He's actively encouraging people to join and support a dangerous ideology centered around genocide.

If some fucker was trying to give a speech at a campus about why you should join ISIS he'd be fucking locked up and we'd never see him again. We shouldn't have to punch Richard Spencer because he should have been dealt with a long time ago through the normal legal means, or at LEAST just not have been allowed to give his fucked up speeches.
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_Near_ posted...

the part where you're adamant about advocating anti-Nazis to act properly when you should be putting the onus on Nazis to not be Nazis. But you just go "lol, boys will be boys" instead of proposing measures to eradicate a clearly dangerous ideology. You literally think that learning how to tolerate Nazis is a more worthwhile goal than learning how to eradicate the ideology.

Lol, I think we all can agree here that being a Nazi is bad. Is that really something that needs to be stated? For every 0 users you can name that advocate Nazism, I will show you a couple dozen who think it's ok to assault innocent people because they have an ideology they find reprehensible.

And let's be clear: punching Nazis will not eradicate their ideology. In no way shape or form have Neo-Nazis become less active since Antifa started being violent. In fact, you only see MORE news about them since Spencer got punched and people like you condoned it. The only way to actually stop Nazis from having these rallies is to imprison them or kill them, but even that may not work. It will only drive them into hiding where they may redouble their efforts and become terroristic. The KKK wasn't made irrelevant because people started boxing them on the street.

And even if you think killing and imprisoning is acceptable, what other ideologies are similarly dangerous? How about Communists? The communist body count is WAY higher than the Nazis' ever was; the only difference is their genocide was non-discriminatory. So how about it? Can we punch Communists like we should Nazis?

hockeybub89 posted...

Punching people is wrong, but lol at that hypothetical. People are not just waiting for a Nazi to be punched to start acting like sentient sacks of bloody diarrhea. They were human piles of awful filth already. They just got brave.

So maybe it isn;t such a good idea to make their people look like martyrs for no reason, huh?

Answer me this: what good has come from punching Spencer? Is he less active? Is he less hateful? What benefit have you noticed?
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Sure, it's wrong, but this nonsense narrative spin that Richard Spencer is some peaceful guy who just wants to give speeches is bullshit.

Nobody said such a thing.
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Mal_Fet posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Sure, it's wrong, but this nonsense narrative spin that Richard Spencer is some peaceful guy who just wants to give speeches is bullshit.

Nobody said such a thing.

Spencer did, and a lot of people agree with him.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Not all wrongs are created equal, but they are still wrong. Anyone who punches people for ideologies is a fucking douche that should be publicly called out. Violence is not the answer.

Sure, it's wrong, but this nonsense narrative spin that Richard Spencer is some peaceful guy who just wants to give speeches is bullshit. He's actively encouraging people to join and support a dangerous ideology centered around genocide.

If some fucker was trying to give a speech at a campus about why you should join ISIS he'd be fucking locked up and we'd never see him again. We shouldn't have to punch Richard Spencer because he should have been dealt with a long time ago through the normal legal means, or at LEAST just not have been allowed to give his fucked up speeches.

I don't want to live in a world where people get locked up for speaking. I don't care if they are talking disgusting hate speech that is specifically directed at me. We shouldn't be fascists even if someone is advocating fascism. That would be called irony.
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Oh look Mal deflecting from the actual incident in order to attack libruls. Must be a day that ends in Y

Mal_Fet posted...

So maybe it isn;t such a good idea to make their people look like martyrs for no reason, huh?

Answer me this: what good has come from punching Spencer? Is he less active? Is he less hateful? What benefit have you noticed?

It is a terrible idea and never said It wasn't. His beliefs should be ignored and/or systematically dismantled in public discourse.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Sure, it's wrong, but this nonsense narrative spin that Richard Spencer is some peaceful guy who just wants to give speeches is bullshit.

Nobody said such a thing.

Spencer did, and a lot of people agree with him.

Well if your meaning is that he's nonviolent, yes, so far he is.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

So maybe it isn;t such a good idea to make their people look like martyrs for no reason, huh?

Answer me this: what good has come from punching Spencer? Is he less active? Is he less hateful? What benefit have you noticed?

It is a terrible idea and never said It wasn't. His beliefs should be ignored and/or systematically dismantled in public discourse.

He doesn't allow for that to happen. He sets up situations where he gets to talk and you get to listen and that's it.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

So maybe it isn;t such a good idea to make their people look like martyrs for no reason, huh?

Answer me this: what good has come from punching Spencer? Is he less active? Is he less hateful? What benefit have you noticed?

It is a terrible idea and never said It wasn't. His beliefs should be ignored and/or systematically dismantled in public discourse.

Yeah, and that's exactly what I've said ITT

But then you have these knuckledraggers who get offended when you say that you shouldn't assault nonviolent people, even if they have a terrible ideology.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Lol, I think we all can agree here that being a Nazi is bad. Is that really something that needs to be stated? For every 0 users you can name that advocate Nazism, I will show you a couple dozen who think it's ok to assault innocent people because they have an ideology they find reprehensible.

And let's be clear: punching Nazis will not eradicate their ideology. In no way shape or form have Neo-Nazis become less active since Antifa started being violent. In fact, you only see MORE news about them since Spencer got punched and people like you condoned it. The only way to actually stop Nazis from having these rallies is to imprison them or kill them, but even that may not work. It will only drive them into hiding where they may redouble their efforts and become terroristic. The KKK wasn't made irrelevant because people started boxing them on the street.

I'm not advocating for punching Nazis. Despite the fact that I think it's a moral act. I'm advocating for restrictions on speech and assembly that are substantially related to Nazism, fascism, and ethnic cleansing. But no, punching Nazis doesn't stop their ideology. Killing them does, though. That's what we did in WWII. That's what we're doing to ISIS. Same difference. One is just white and living in your country.

Mal_Fet posted...

And even if you think killing and imprisoning is acceptable, what other ideologies are similarly dangerous? How about Communists? The communist body count is WAY higher than the Nazis' ever was; the only difference is their genocide was non-discriminatory. So how about it? Can we punch Communists like we should Nazis?

How the fuck are you still using this false equivalency? Do you know anything about the ideologies you speak of?There's nothing inherent in the communist doctrine which advocates for mass murder. The regimes who did this were following a Stalinist version of communism which is far different from what Marx and Trotsky advocated for and is more akin to fascism. That should also be persecuted as equally as Nazism, but that does not encompass the entire communist ideology - it is merely a fraction. Nazism is inherently based around ethnic cleansing and propagating the master race. And there is no facet of Nazism that doesn't include this ideology.

You're like one of those people who say that "Atheism" killed more people than religious people because of communist leaders. You just look at numbers and don't even begin to try to understand the causes of the deaths that you speak of.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

So maybe it isn;t such a good idea to make their people look like martyrs for no reason, huh?

Answer me this: what good has come from punching Spencer? Is he less active? Is he less hateful? What benefit have you noticed?

It is a terrible idea and never said It wasn't. His beliefs should be ignored and/or systematically dismantled in public discourse.

He doesn't allow for that to happen. He sets up situations where he gets to talk and you get to listen and that's it.

Then someone can talk about not being a Nazi and we can have faith most people aren't natural filth. We are completely overblowing the threat of Nazism in America.
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LOL where's their pitchforks? goddamn hicks need to realize the Confederacy is nothing to be proud of.

_Near_ posted...

How the fuck are you still using this false equivalency?

Because he's Mal_Fet. The kind of intellectual dishonesty he uses in his arguments is the same brand of bullshit people like Richard Spencer use, except Spencer is way better at it, and when you've got fucking morons who believe bullshit like "Why are there still monkeys?" then giving Spencer a grounds for him to argue his nonsense makes shit worse because people will believe his intellectually dishonest shit no matter how good of an argument you put up against it.
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hockeybub89 posted...

We are completely overblowing the threat of Nazism in America.

There shouldn't be a threat of Nazism in America. Not even an insignificant one.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

There shouldn't be a threat of Nazism in America. Not even an insignificant one.

This. So much this.
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_Near_ posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

There shouldn't be a threat of Nazism in America. Not even an insignificant one.

This. So much this.

There isn't.
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Mal_Fet posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

So maybe it isn;t such a good idea to make their people look like martyrs for no reason, huh?

Answer me this: what good has come from punching Spencer? Is he less active? Is he less hateful? What benefit have you noticed?

It is a terrible idea and never said It wasn't. His beliefs should be ignored and/or systematically dismantled in public discourse.

Yeah, and that's exactly what I've said ITT

But then you have these knuckledraggers who get offended when you say that you shouldn't assault nonviolent people, even if they have a terrible ideology.

Because going so far to defend it is stupid, like is that the hill you wanna die on.

No one should be punched, but you can invite certain reactions due to your own actions and getting punched for saying racist comments isn't an unreasonable reaction
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_Near_ posted...

I'm not advocating for punching Nazis. Despite the fact that I think it's a moral act. I'm advocating for restrictions on speech and assembly that are substantially related to Nazism, fascism, and ethnic cleansing.

That sounds nice and all, until you remember how "fascism" has a conveniently elastic definition when it comes to anybody with right-leaning opinions.

The reason free speech is a good thing even if it allows bad people to talk is that the laws can never be used as a weapon to silence dissent in the name of peace, as it often was by the Vatican church and the Soviet Union.

I mean, do you REALLY want a person like Trump deciding what speech is fascist and which isn't?

_Near_ posted...

Killing them does, though. That's what we did in WWII. That's what we're doing to ISIS. Same difference. One is just white and living in your country.

We fought gun-wielding soldiers in WWII and all the Desert Storms. You know what it's called when you have a witch-hunt for ideologues within your own country?

McCarthyism.

_Near_ posted...

How the fuck are you still using this false equivalency? Do you know anything about the ideologies you speak of?There's nothing inherent in the communist doctrine which advocates for mass murder.

An irrelevant distinction since Communism always leads to tyranny and mass murder.

_Near_ posted...

The regimes who did this were following a Stalinist version of communism which is far different from what Marx and Trotsky advocated for and is more akin to fascism.

Stalinism is a necessary result of Trotskyism. Because when you give the state all of the power, it turns out that they have all the power. And as soon as a corrupt person takes the reigns, they'll do whatever they like, because they can.

So how about it? We should punch the little red star-wearing pricks wherever we see em, yeah?
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gamepimp12 posted...

No one should be punched, but you can invite certain reactions due to your own actions and getting punched for saying racist comments isn't an unreasonable reaction

Answer my question that you quoted then:

Answer me this: what good has come from punching Spencer? Is he less active? Is he less hateful? What benefit have you noticed?

"But he said something mean" isn't a good enough reason to assault someone. Sorry, it just isn't.
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_Near_ posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

There shouldn't be a threat of Nazism in America. Not even an insignificant one.

This. So much this.

Which reality do you guys live in where there is one? You're making me partially side with Mal and Addy. It's disgusting and feels bad.
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hockeybub89 posted...

_Near_ posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

There shouldn't be a threat of Nazism in America. Not even an insignificant one.

This. So much this.

Which reality do you guys live in where there is one? You're making me side with Mal and Addy. It's disgusting and feels bad.

Saying shit like Richard Spencer isn't a threat is the kind of shit people were saying about Hitler before he got elected (yes, Hitler was elected).

It was also what they were saying about Trump and we know how that turned out.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Saying shit like Richard Spencer isn't a threat is the kind of shit people were saying about Hitler before he got elected (yes, Hitler was elected).

It was also what they were saying about Trump and we know how that turned out.

Wow, two instances of Godwin's law in two sentences.

Trump is nothing like Hitler in policy or deeds and to constantly equate him to Hitler makes you look foolish.
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