Current Events > DCEU fanboys are not as "intellectual" as they seem to think

(+) Yeah! (+)

Their basic opinion on movies is:


"GRIMDARK, TRYING TOO HARD TO BE DEEP = GOOD
LIGHTHEARTED AND SILLY = BAD"
---

Remember when Batman killed like 30 people in BvS? Good times
---

SoraOwnsOctopus posted...

Remember when Batman killed like 30 people in BvS? Good times

Remember when Zack Snyder said his justification for murdery Batman was because he did it in TDKR, even though he didn't, and that became a major plot point later on?
---

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3byJxc9Vc
---

What a bad topic.
---

I wonder if Snyder just sped-read through The Dark Knight Returns cause while there are references and lines from it in the movie, it seems like he just didn't get anything about TDKR. I guess he only remembers the parts where Batman said/did something "cool". If someone wants an actual good Batman Vs Superman, read that.

He only got lucky with Watchmen cause it's mostly a straight adaptation scene to scene line to line from the comic. I still like it a lot, but it still has Snyder's stench on it.
---

I can not think of a single reason they would hire Zack Snyder for a Superman movie.

Not one single reason.
---

CrowTRobot posted...

What a bad topic.

He right though

comic books and their associated movies are for children
---

Romulox28 posted...

comic books and their associated movies are for children

False

Feline_Heart posted...

Romulox28 posted...

comic books and their associated movies are for children

False

lol keep telling yourself that
---

Romulox28 posted...

Feline_Heart posted...

Romulox28 posted...

comic books and their associated movies are for children

False

lol keep telling yourself that

Okay

You don't even try to hide your fanboyism

I'll give you props for that
---

comic books and their associated movies are for children

I dunno what saying this is supposed to accomplish. Lots of things that could be called "for kids" are lots of fun for anybody. Mrs. DevsBro and I literally took a dte a few weeks ago to one of those go-kart putt-putt laser tag places and had the most fun we had had in months.

But even though it doesn't make a difference what the target audience is, making an R-rated kids' movie is a pretty sure-fire way to make zero money.
---

TheoryzC posted...

You don't even try to hide your fanboyism

I'll give you props for that

I'm not a fanboy. But I hate the DCEU because we're basically stuck with these garbage ass DC movies for the foreseeable future.

Their over-emphasis on trying so hard to NOT be superhero movies makes them not even resemble the comic books that I've read and it wouldn't be so bad if they didn't also fail at being intellectually engaging.

In fact, this exact dynamic existed back in days with the Spider-Man and X-Men movies. Spider-Man kept in tact what we liked about the comic books and captured the fun of the character. The X-Men movies failed to capture the best elements of the X-Men comic books, but at least the X-Men movies (for the most part) were decent.
---

DevsBro posted...

comic books and their associated movies are for children

I dunno what saying this is supposed to accomplish. Lots of things that could be called "for kids" are lots of fun for anybody. Mrs. DevsBro and I literally took a dte a few weeks ago to one of those go-kart putt-putt laser tag places and had the most fun we had had in months.

But even though it doesn't make a difference what the target audience is, making an R-rated kids' movie is a pretty sure-fire way to make zero money.

the point is that arguing about the intellectual qualities of a movie where the plot is "teenage boy gets bitten by a spider and gains spider powers, and then fights a man who dresses up like an octopus" or "man dresses up as a crime-fighting bat and then fights a man dressed like a clown" is just inherently pointless.

nothing wrong with enjoying it but let's call a spade a spade
---

Romulox28 posted...

DevsBro posted...

comic books and their associated movies are for children

I dunno what saying this is supposed to accomplish. Lots of things that could be called "for kids" are lots of fun for anybody. Mrs. DevsBro and I literally took a dte a few weeks ago to one of those go-kart putt-putt laser tag places and had the most fun we had had in months.

But even though it doesn't make a difference what the target audience is, making an R-rated kids' movie is a pretty sure-fire way to make zero money.

the point is that arguing about the intellectual qualities of a movie where the plot is "teenage boy gets bitten by a spider and gains spider powers, and then fights a man who dresses up like an octopus" or "man dresses up as a crime-fighting bat and then fights a man dressed like a clown" is just inherently pointless.

nothing wrong with enjoying it but let's call a spade a spade

we got ourselves a real film connoisseur here guys, our plebeian tastes could never measure up to his refined standards
---

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

But I hate the DCEU because we're basically stuck with these garbage ass DC movies for the foreseeable future.

Their over-emphasis on trying so hard to NOT be superhero movies makes them not even resemble the comic books that I've read and it wouldn't be so bad if they didn't also fail at being intellectually engaging.

Frankly, you just don't get it. They're not trying to not be superhero movies. They're presenting a unique universe of stories building from ground zero. That means that it starts in some bleak times, which is why they need heroes in the first place.

The strongest aspect of the DC movies (3 movies in) is that they're all heavily connected. Each film depends upon the others, unlike the Marvel movies which are entirely separated from each other up until after the credits, when a 2 minute scene will make a little connection. I appreciate how my time as a viewer is more respected and we don't just get tiny blurbs connecting it all.
---

megATOMOS posted...

Romulox28 posted...

DevsBro posted...

comic books and their associated movies are for children

I dunno what saying this is supposed to accomplish. Lots of things that could be called "for kids" are lots of fun for anybody. Mrs. DevsBro and I literally took a dte a few weeks ago to one of those go-kart putt-putt laser tag places and had the most fun we had had in months.

But even though it doesn't make a difference what the target audience is, making an R-rated kids' movie is a pretty sure-fire way to make zero money.

the point is that arguing about the intellectual qualities of a movie where the plot is "teenage boy gets bitten by a spider and gains spider powers, and then fights a man who dresses up like an octopus" or "man dresses up as a crime-fighting bat and then fights a man dressed like a clown" is just inherently pointless.

nothing wrong with enjoying it but let's call a spade a spade

we got ourselves a real film connoisseur here guys, our plebeian tastes could never measure up to his refined standards

i bet you are currently working on a thinkpiece for Dorkly right now about the themes of FRIENDSHIP and FAMILY in the new guardians of the galaxy movie
---

Romulox28 posted...

megATOMOS posted...

Romulox28 posted...

DevsBro posted...

comic books and their associated movies are for children

I dunno what saying this is supposed to accomplish. Lots of things that could be called "for kids" are lots of fun for anybody. Mrs. DevsBro and I literally took a dte a few weeks ago to one of those go-kart putt-putt laser tag places and had the most fun we had had in months.

But even though it doesn't make a difference what the target audience is, making an R-rated kids' movie is a pretty sure-fire way to make zero money.

the point is that arguing about the intellectual qualities of a movie where the plot is "teenage boy gets bitten by a spider and gains spider powers, and then fights a man who dresses up like an octopus" or "man dresses up as a crime-fighting bat and then fights a man dressed like a clown" is just inherently pointless.

nothing wrong with enjoying it but let's call a spade a spade

we got ourselves a real film connoisseur here guys, our plebeian tastes could never measure up to his refined standards

i bet you are currently working on a thinkpiece for Dorkly right now about the themes of FRIENDSHIP and FAMILY in the new guardians of the galaxy movie

oh no no

you and I both know that all fantasy movies are for children and should never be taken seriously, I mean, why even review them right?
---

megATOMOS posted...

Romulox28 posted...

megATOMOS posted...

Romulox28 posted...

DevsBro posted...

comic books and their associated movies are for children

I dunno what saying this is supposed to accomplish. Lots of things that could be called "for kids" are lots of fun for anybody. Mrs. DevsBro and I literally took a dte a few weeks ago to one of those go-kart putt-putt laser tag places and had the most fun we had had in months.

But even though it doesn't make a difference what the target audience is, making an R-rated kids' movie is a pretty sure-fire way to make zero money.

the point is that arguing about the intellectual qualities of a movie where the plot is "teenage boy gets bitten by a spider and gains spider powers, and then fights a man who dresses up like an octopus" or "man dresses up as a crime-fighting bat and then fights a man dressed like a clown" is just inherently pointless.

nothing wrong with enjoying it but let's call a spade a spade

we got ourselves a real film connoisseur here guys, our plebeian tastes could never measure up to his refined standards

i bet you are currently working on a thinkpiece for Dorkly right now about the themes of FRIENDSHIP and FAMILY in the new guardians of the galaxy movie

oh no no

you and I both know that all fantasy movies are for children and should never be taken seriously, I mean, why even review them right?

that's the ticket
---

You can tell that Synder doesn't really get what makes comics good. From the over all designs of the chars to the story he tries to tell.

I swear I read somewhere that he outright doesn't like superman as a character. Which is why he isn't presented in a heroic light but more as a god.

He also just steals comic plots and rejiggers them for the big screen. Man of Steel is basically a worse version of the Earth 1 Superman GN. While BvS is like a bunch of stories mashed together.

They aren't the worst movies but they aren't going to be taking on the juggernaut that is Marvel anytime soon
---

ToadallyAwesome posted...

He also just steals comic plots and rejiggers them for the big screen. Man of Steel is basically a worse version of the Earth 1 Superman GN. While BvS is like a bunch of stories mashed together.

Dark Knight Returns and Death of Superman

basically the 2 most overrated DC comics ever made
---

Snyder doesn't know what makes movies good either. Why DC has decided to put him at the helm of the movie universe is fucking beyond me.
---

ToadallyAwesome posted...

You can tell that Synder doesn't really get what makes comics good. From the over all designs of the chars to the story he tries to tell.

I swear I read somewhere that he outright doesn't like superman as a character. Which is why he isn't presented in a heroic light but more as a god.

He also just steals comic plots and rejiggers them for the big screen. Man of Steel is basically a worse version of the Earth 1 Superman GN. While BvS is like a bunch of stories mashed together.

They aren't the worst movies but they aren't going to be taking on the juggernaut that is Marvel anytime soon

Yeah. I really do think the biggest issue is letting Synder direct these films. Like BvS should of been several movies and Superman's death should not have happened before Justice League

The other issue is the whole not developing characters in their own movie before throwing them together, but not much can be done about that now.
---

The one thing Marvel has over DC is that Marvel has more than just one director for their movies. Thank God. Imagine if every MCU movie was directed by Joss Weadon.
---

Southernfatman posted...

I wonder if Snyder just sped-read through The Dark Knight Returns cause while there are references and lines from it in the movie, it seems like he just didn't get anything about TDKR. I guess he only remembers the parts where Batman said/did something "cool". If someone wants an actual good Batman Vs Superman, read that.

He only got lucky with Watchmen cause it's mostly a straight adaptation scene to scene line to line from the comic. I still like it a lot, but it still has Snyder's stench on it.

I'd be surprised if he read a single comic book in his entire life
---

So what children was v for vendetta made for >_>

Raikuro posted...

So what children was v for vendetta made for >_>

edgelord teens who think they're mature.
---

Raikuro posted...

So what children was v for vendetta made for >_>

http://dazedimg.dazedgroup.netdna-cdn.com/640/azure/dazed-prod/1030/7/1037732.jpg
---

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

TheoryzC posted...

You don't even try to hide your fanboyism

I'll give you props for that

I'm not a fanboy. But I hate the DCEU because we're basically stuck with these garbage ass DC movies for the foreseeable future.

Their over-emphasis on trying so hard to NOT be superhero movies makes them not even resemble the comic books that I've read and it wouldn't be so bad if they didn't also fail at being intellectually engaging.

In fact, this exact dynamic existed back in days with the Spider-Man and X-Men movies. Spider-Man kept in tact what we liked about the comic books and captured the fun of the character. The X-Men movies failed to capture the best elements of the X-Men comic books, but at least the X-Men movies (for the most part) were decent.

I hate that we're stuck with these movie fr the foreseeable future too but my gripes with them are different from yours

Like I gotta disagree that they're trying hard to not be superhero/comic book movie cause from MoS to SS they've dealt with all kinds of comic book fuckery. They never shied away away from it

You can make the case that they sacrificed the core of their characters at the expense of trying to make their movies more that ''superhero'' movies

ToadallyAwesome posted...

I swear I read somewhere that he outright doesn't like superman as a character. Which is why he isn't presented in a heroic light but more as a god.

He likes Superman. Its just that he doesnt GET Superman
---

Tmaster148 posted...

Like BvS should of been several movies and Superman's death should not have happened before Justice League

Again just showing that you don't get it.
---

CrowTRobot posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Like BvS should of been several movies and Superman's death should not have happened before Justice League

Again just showing that you don't get it.

What's there to get? It was a terrible decision. Superman barely had any lines in the movie.
---

GameofWheels posted...

CrowTRobot posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Like BvS should of been several movies and Superman's death should not have happened before Justice League

Again just showing that you don't get it.

What's there to get? It was a terrible decision. Superman barely had any lines in the movie.

Also the entire thing is pointless when:
You know Superman is a part of Justice League and it's obvious he'll come back to life to be a part of Justice League. At least if they saved it til after Justice League there could be some actual tension. Plus you'll get to see the reactions of the entire Justice League over his death. Instead we get Batman, a bit of Wonder Women, and Lois as the only people who grief over his death. Which for some reason Synder then decides to have an after credits scene show dirt rise above his grave showing he's not actually dead. Like what's the point of killing a character than 5 minutes later go "JK"
---

@Tmaster148 I don't want to just keep doing all these spoiler tags but the fact of the matter is that without the death of Superman, there would be no Suicide Squad. It all follows a continuing narrative that they have, just like real comics do. That's what makes it interesting.
---

I kind of enjoyed BvS, does that make me a bad person?
---

This whole DC vs Marvel fanboy war is the most pathetic thing to come about since Star Trek vs Star Wars was a thing.
---

Tmaster148 posted...

Like what's the point of killing a character than 5 minutes later go "JK"

to not have to make the death and return of superman movie
---

CrowTRobot posted...

@Tmaster148 I don't want to just keep doing all these spoiler tags but the fact of the matter is that without the death of Superman, there would be no Suicide Squad. It all follows a continuing narrative that they have, just like real comics do. That's what makes it interesting.

all they had to do was come up with another reason to have them exist and it wouldn't change the rest of that movie at all
---

Twinmold posted...

This whole DC vs Marvel fanboy war is the most pathetic thing to come about since Star Trek vs Star Wars was a thing.

the worst part is the people that think that the mcu is anything more than a collection of mediocre popcorn flicks
---

Suicide Squad movie came out too early and really suffered because of it. The only notable villains were Harley and Joker(who was barely in the movie). Everyone in the movie required some sort of introduction, because they never made a single appearance in the current DCEU until now. Suicide Squad should have came out after the team of villains were at least a main villain of a movie to remove the big clog of introductions and the movie would have more time to actual display action. There was really no reason to care about any of the characters in the movie, because they were all unknowns.

gsf4lyfe posted...

I kind of enjoyed BvS, does that make me a bad person?

It's fine if you enjoy it. Enjoying the movie doesn't change the fact that BvS has a lot of questionable directions.
---

DarthAragorn posted...

CrowTRobot posted...

@Tmaster148 I don't want to just keep doing all these spoiler tags but the fact of the matter is that without the death of Superman, there would be no Suicide Squad. It all follows a continuing narrative that they have, just like real comics do. That's what makes it interesting.

all they had to do was come up with another reason to have them exist and it wouldn't change the rest of that movie at all

I disagree.
---

Romulox28 posted...

DevsBro posted...

comic books and their associated movies are for children

I dunno what saying this is supposed to accomplish. Lots of things that could be called "for kids" are lots of fun for anybody. Mrs. DevsBro and I literally took a dte a few weeks ago to one of those go-kart putt-putt laser tag places and had the most fun we had had in months.

But even though it doesn't make a difference what the target audience is, making an R-rated kids' movie is a pretty sure-fire way to make zero money.

the point is that arguing about the intellectual qualities of a movie where the plot is "teenage boy gets bitten by a spider and gains spider powers, and then fights a man who dresses up like an octopus" or "man dresses up as a crime-fighting bat and then fights a man dressed like a clown" is just inherently pointless.

nothing wrong with enjoying it but let's call a spade a spade

Saying it's a movie about a dude bitten by a magic spider is really dumbing it down.

Lots of legendary heroes like Gilgamesh, Achilles, Beowulf, Thor, and so on had all kinds of crazy ass supernatural powers, but their stories still carried morals, religious lessons, and philosophy worth discussing.

Marvel just wants to throw all of that out in favor of harassing Captain America about his language.
---

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

TheoryzC posted...

You don't even try to hide your fanboyism

I'll give you props for that

I'm not a fanboy. But I hate the DCEU because we're basically stuck with these garbage ass DC movies for the foreseeable future.

Their over-emphasis on trying so hard to NOT be superhero movies makes them not even resemble the comic books that I've read and it wouldn't be so bad if they didn't also fail at being intellectually engaging.

In fact, this exact dynamic existed back in days with the Spider-Man and X-Men movies. Spider-Man kept in tact what we liked about the comic books and captured the fun of the character. The X-Men movies failed to capture the best elements of the X-Men comic books, but at least the X-Men movies (for the most part) were decent.

Blame Snyder for his poor understanding of DC charecters. WB thought he'd do great after watchmen (which was great) and Snyder just took a shit on the entire DCEU franchise after.

I'm a big DC fan and I accepted long ago DC movies arnt going to as great as marvels and that fucking sucks.
---

Tmaster148 posted...

It's fine if you enjoy it. Enjoying the movie doesn't change the fact that BvS has a lot of questionable directions

Oh definitely. I suppose I did also go into it expecting a Snyder movie, not a canonical DC movie.
---

TropicMoon10 posted...

Southernfatman posted...

I wonder if Snyder just sped-read through The Dark Knight Returns cause while there are references and lines from it in the movie, it seems like he just didn't get anything about TDKR. I guess he only remembers the parts where Batman said/did something "cool". If someone wants an actual good Batman Vs Superman, read that.

He only got lucky with Watchmen cause it's mostly a straight adaptation scene to scene line to line from the comic. I still like it a lot, but it still has Snyder's stench on it.

I'd be surprised if he read a single comic book in his entire life

Snyder does read comics, he just doesn't like the main series ones. He's a huge fan of Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Injustice, and so on.
---

CrowTRobot posted...

@Tmaster148 I don't want to just keep doing all these spoiler tags but the fact of the matter is that without the death of Superman, there would be no Suicide Squad. It all follows a continuing narrative that they have, just like real comics do. That's what makes it interesting.

Having it linked to the ongoing Superman storyline makes Suicide Squad even dumber. What is a guy that can shoot guns really well, a guy that can throw boomerangs and a crazy girl with a baseball bat supposed to do against a Superman-level threat? They unnecessarily tried to tie it into Batman v Superman, just like they unnecessarily tried to tie Batman v Superman into Justice League.

Suicide Squad would have worked far better as a movie if it was just about a team of supervillains sent off to kill a major terrorist threat, but were given free reign to be as destructive as possible because if there WAS any major casualties or property damage, it could just be linked back to a couple of bad guys doing bad shit.
---

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

What is a guy that can shoot guns really well, a guy that can throw boomerangs and a crazy girl with a baseball bat supposed to do against a Superman-level threat?

---

DevsBro posted...

I can not think of a single reason they would hire Zack Snyder for a Superman movie.

Not one single reason.

IIRC, Christopher Nolan recommended him because he thought that he did a good job on Watchmen.
Butterfiles posted...

Twinmold posted...

This whole DC vs Marvel fanboy war is the most pathetic thing to come about since Star Trek vs Star Wars was a thing.

the worst part is the people that think that the mcu is anything more than a collection of mediocre popcorn flicks

Well said.
---