Current Events > Tim Allen sitcom "Last Man Standing" canceled despite strong ratings

(+) Yeah! (+)

that's a shame. much more enjoyable than modern family.
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Zanzenburger posted...

In the end of the day, though, the black neighbors revealed they were more uncomfortable with the wife's fake efforts to be PC than Allen's crude (but honest) comments that made fun of black people stereotypes. I didn't expect the episode to go in that direction.

Yeah no wonder republican like yet.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Yeah, it actually does matter, because once you hit syndication your value as a new show declines and networks can live off of licensing fees. This is purely a financial decision, despite what the alt right bitches about

I dunno

I'm not saying you're wrong (getting to syndication is definitely huge) but it also seems to be a popular show with decent ratings -- it actually improved its standing between last seasons finale and this season's, which is hard to do in 2016-2017 for a TV show

I mean, maybe ABC is more discriminating, but NBC held on to stuff like Parks and Rec that did not do this well in ratings ever
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Zikten posted...

and the CEO of ABC got pissed off and murdered the show.

IF this is true then its sad. BUT at the same time Tim brought the politics to the show, not the other way around.
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at any rate, I'm not gonna weep over this. it always felt like a more forced and less charming version of Home Improvement

6 seasons is a damn good run for a sitcom anyway. People really like to fall for alt-right conspiracies for some reason.
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Darmik posted...

6 seasons is a damn good run for a sitcom anyway. People really like to fall for alt-right conspiracies for some reason.

i could see netflix picking it up for a 7th if they wanted to, also. it seems to be pretty popular on there.
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Balrog0 posted...

I mean, maybe ABC is more discriminating, but NBC held on to stuff like Parks and Rec that did not do this well in ratings ever

Because NBC often don't have the luxury of choice. That's why Community and Chuck lasted so long there.
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Darmik posted...

6 seasons is a damn good run for a sitcom anyway. People really like to fall for alt-right conspiracies for some reason.

its the irony of modern conservatism. they love thinking they are victims but chastise the other side for behaving the same way.
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COVxy posted...

Well, I guess he won't be the last man standing.

it took 30 posts for someone to make this joke
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PostCrisisJ2 posted...

COVxy posted...

Well, I guess he won't be the last man standing.

it took 30 posts for someone to make this joke

its rather low hanging fruit, bro....
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E32005 posted...

PostCrisisJ2 posted...

COVxy posted...

Well, I guess he won't be the last man standing.

it took 30 posts for someone to make this joke

its rather low hanging fruit, bro....

I mean, that's the point.
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Honestly thought that show was cancelled a long time ago. I watched it once and wasn't feeling it.
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COVxy posted...

E32005 posted...

PostCrisisJ2 posted...

COVxy posted...

Well, I guess he won't be the last man standing.

it took 30 posts for someone to make this joke

its rather low hanging fruit, bro....

I mean, that's the point.

maybe CE is becoming savvy?
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creativerealms posted...

I'm sure it has nothing to do with Allen's political beliefs but as a true republican he will blame liberal Hollywood as that's what they always do.

"They" always do? Do you have more links to similar incidents and these alleged claims?
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What weird timing. I had never heard of this show until last week when I was visiting my mom. She thought I would like it so I checked out an episode with her. I wasn't feeling it. It felt like a 90s sitcom and the laugh track annoyed the piss out of me.

Kinda sad to see it go since my mom liked it, although it's telling that it's been around six years and I didn't hear about it til now.
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E32005 posted...

maybe CE is becoming savvy?

now that's a good joke
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If you guys actually think a broadcast television network show would cancel a decently performing television series over political differences, you're crazy. ABC is struggling, they'll take any winning show. But if ABC did need to take over production, it's likely that it wasn't financially beneficial to set up production on an already old show.

Actually looking in on it, ABC is gutting a lot of their non-self-produced shows even if their ratings would otherwise imply renewal.
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Allen, who is no stranger to politics, has used “Last Man Standing” to poke fun at former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s loss to Trump, to mock the prevalence of “microaggressions” on college campuses in the aptly named “Precious Snowflake” episode, and to advocate for gun rights.

That article's doing a damn good job of making me want to watch this show.
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Shotgunnova posted...

That article's doing a damn good job of making me want to watch this show.

So would the people complaining about the show being canned be called snowflakes ?
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Zack_Attackv1 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnsiZOJjfUg

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voldothegr8 posted...

Zikten posted...

well someone was watching it. it lasted for like 6 seasons

Baffling really, I've never once heard someone talk about it irl and rarely see it get brought up on the internet. My only conclusion is old people loved it for whatever reason.

We want MATLOCK!!!

MAAAAATLOOOOOOCK!
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Shotgunnova posted...

Allen, who is no stranger to politics, has used “Last Man Standing” to poke fun at former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s loss to Trump, to mock the prevalence of “microaggressions” on college campuses in the aptly named “Precious Snowflake” episode, and to advocate for gun rights.

That article's doing a damn good job of making me want to watch this show.

Five seasons of it are on Netflix.

My father watches this show ALL OF THE TIME. (bolded and all-caps necessary for emphasis)
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What I've gathered from this topic is old people loved it and everyone else didn't even know it existed

Old people surely would have to be the only people left who watch sitcoms like this.
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I've watched it, I'll admit for the cute chicks
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lmao
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EyeWontBeFooled posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Zikten posted...

well someone was watching it. it lasted for like 6 seasons

Baffling really, I've never once heard someone talk about it irl and rarely see it get brought up on the internet. My only conclusion is old people loved it for whatever reason.

We want MATLOCK!!!

MAAAAATLOOOOOOCK!

Bring back Sheriff Lobo!
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damn, when is a white man gonna get the chance to get ahead in this country. On to more important fights though, like how Jesus-focused the christmas cup at starbucks will be this year
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I've started watching reruns that I see on tv lately and the show is:

-Reverse Home Improvement in the fact that he is the only man instead of all boys and Jill being the only woman.
-Instead of Working on TV show he does Vlogs
-Works for a Outdoors store instead of a tool company.
-Think of the show like a real life, toned down American Dad. Tim Allen's character is a hard core republican for life like stan and, through other characters and plots, he learns to understand where the political left comes from while still trying to keep his political right viewpoints. He learns to become more empathetic and judge characters based on their own personal actions rather than preconceived notions.

Zanzenburger posted...

Another episode had Tim Allen's character trying to avoid making racist comments around his black neighbors that his wife invited to dinner, while hilariously failing. In the end of the day, though, the black neighbors revealed they were more uncomfortable with the wife's fake efforts to be PC than Allen's crude (but honest) comments that made fun of black people stereotypes. I didn't expect the episode to go in that direction.

This sounds hilarious. Did he say the N word?
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I've seen the show on several occasions. It wasn't that bad for a Friday night show. Was surprised a few times at how the story or jokes went.
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This one is better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji9qSuQapFY
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That's a shame, I don't really follow it but I catch a lot of the re-runs. It's a pretty good show, and while more conservative than most shows, I thought it highlighted flaws and strengths of both sides. It was kind of nice watching something more moderate than something that beats you over the head with either liberalism or conservatism.

I enjoyed it but it wasnt really all that conservative really. It was more about the changing times and maculinity. There were some obama/hillary jokes and occasional poking fun at sjws, but it was more about grand pa beinf a mans man who was rough and tumble and took care of his family and wanted his grand son to play outside and get scrapes, and get in fights with a hippie dad that wanted the son to stay inside and play with barbies.
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I guess not even based Tim Allen can escape the wrath of hateful democrats.
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The show ran for 6 years, apparently had the same jokes and political leanings the entire time...and just now, after 6 years that's become a problem? That's the story you guys are telling yourselves to blame "the libruhl media!"...lol...shows get canceled all the time. Even popular ones. Fresh Prince ran for 6 years. Granted it didn't get canceled but 6 years is a good while...especially for a niche show that was barely advertised. I barely heard about it. Only time I did was that one time he had Home Improvement cast on it. It was unforgettable enough that I forgot who the cast members were.

__aCEr__ posted...

I've never heard anybody talk about that show.

My parents loved this show.
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That show was really funny.


It was about a staunt republican coming to terms with liberal social ideals.


idk why this was a bad thing.
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Quorthon109 posted...

After six seasons, ABC is contractually required to take over the cost of producing the show. Before being licensed for broadcast to ABC, “Last Man Standing” had been produced — and funded — by 20th Century Fox TV.

I found it

/topic

Context is always fun.
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Has Tim Allen even said or done anything? Some people are acting like he's Kevin Sorbo.
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Darmik posted...

Has Tim Allen even said or done anything? Some people are acting like he's Kevin Sorbo.

Tim has no Iolaus.
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You guys realize abc is Christian leaning right?
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It's not so much that he plays a republican, as it is that he plays a republican and everyone who opposes him is so utterly stupid and hypocritical that he is absolutely, 100% always right. Hell, he has different ethnicities on the show just so he can make fun of them and trade racial jokes about each other and that is somehow okay.

It's just ... it's like if American Dad portrayed Stan as 100% always in the right. It's funny, but not in the way it intends to be.

ABC also cancelled The Real O'Neals. They must be dirty conservative homophobes as well.
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These days it's about more than ratings. For starters, ratings just never get as high as they used to. Even the highest rated shows draw fewer people than a mediocre prime time show from 30 years ago. That means less advertising money. The only way a major prime time show can make big money is if they're also bringing in lots on international, DVD, and digital sales.

This show had good, not great, ratings. And I don't see anything about it being a big seller international, or a show that keeps selling after it's on the air.

Considering this, and the fact that the cost was going up, and it's easy to see why ABC would pull the plug. Especially because the show could suddenly drop in quality and popularity, in which case ABC would be really screwed.
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