Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 89: AHCA DOA ASAP, RIP

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My warning to you, Ulti and Seph, is don't forget that Democrats gained seats in both chambers this election despite losing the Presidency.

Yes, they "lost," but they are gaining
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Jakyl25 posted...

It's like, we tell Ulti stop caring about Hillary, but then Hillary HERSELF is still out there getting major airtime making excuses for her entitled campaign failure.

It's SO FRUSTRATING

She's not "making excuses", she's offering an explanation.

She took responsibility for the failures that were hers (with how she ran her campaign), but that doesn't mean she just has to "shut up" about totally legitimate grievances with things that cost her the election like Comey and Russia.

It's like, say you're the Golden State Warriors and at halftime you're up by 10 against a bad team when you should have been up by 20 if you had played better. But then Vladimir Putin shoots Steph Curry and James Comey breaks Kevin Durant's leg because some of his emails were found on Anthony Weiner's laptop and you end up losing by 2.

Sure, you should have been up by more at the half, but that doesn't fucking mean you don't get to point out the actions of Putin and Comey.

I don't know anything about sports
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The sheer political incompetence of the Dems would be tragic if it weren't so entertaining.

However, it also means that power has been seized by people who largely represent ideals I see as anti-American, so it's still tragic, too.
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Jakyl25 posted...

I feel like any argument she makes is countered immediately by "You didn't make one campaign stop in Wisconsin"

I mean theres no winning for her. She stays out of the limelight and you get liberals saying she abandoned them she comes back and starts doing stuff again and she needs to go away bevause shes an embarassment.

That said im not overly fond of the Democrats - my own history of political activism and the fucking backbiting between internal factions that chewed me up and spit me out leaves me not so fond of them.

But fuck the GOP is just a bunch of dickheads so you end up cheering for the dems anyway.

Bring in frances system - id kill for a Macron to emerge.
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Jakyl25 posted...

I feel like any argument she makes is countered immediately by "You didn't make one campaign stop in Wisconsin"

She made a fucking ton of campaign stops in Pennsylvania and Florida, and if she had won Michigan and Wisconsin she still would have lost the election.
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Eddv posted...

I mean theres no winning for her.

...literally <_<
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UltimaterializerX posted...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/11/1595712/-Despite-harrowing-election-Democrats-make-net-legislative-gain-picking-up-4-chambers-to-GOP-s-3

You have a weird definition of gaining.

And yes I read the article, but going from 26-9 to 24-11 or whatever is not a real gain. If they start actually getting majorities somewhere I'll care.

You realize I meant at the Federal level
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I gotta say though, any "dicking" Democrats did of Bernie kind of pales in comparison to what Trump did to Cruz

Please don't make me defend Ted Cruz
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For me it's just like, we give Trump all this shit about not being able to let the election go, but then Clinton comes in and she ALSO can't seem to let the election go, and it just looks bad. Now, Trump is really the one who should be letting it go because he's the fucking president now, but still.

Jakyl25 posted...

I gotta say though, any "dicking" Democrats did of Bernie kind of pales in comparison to what Trump did to Cruz

Please don't make me defend Ted Cruz

has any man ever been cucked as hard as ted cruz

well okay not "man" but weird lizard creature or whatever the hell he is
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how closely are all these americans who "love marine le pen" actually following french politics? even i don't know her all that well, and french politics is obviously a lot more relevant to me than it is to americans.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

For me it's just like, we give Trump all this shit about not being able to let the election go, but then Clinton comes in and she ALSO can't seem to let the election go, and it just looks bad. Now, Trump is really the one who should be letting it go because he's the fucking president now, but still.

Well, there are actually actionable things we should be doing to avoid a repeat of some of the reasons that Clinton lost (e.g. punishing Russia, the media going through some serious fucking reflection of how they covered stories like Clinton's emails, the whole country seriously examining their sexism), whereas Trump is just bringing it up because it's how he defines his entire self worth.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

how closely are all these americans who "love marine le pen" actually following french politics?

probably about as much as you'd expect someone who mostly partakes in trump memes to

Not_an_Owl posted...

has any man ever been cucked as hard as ted cruz

well okay not "man" but weird lizard creature or whatever the hell he is

http://www.tedcruzforhumanpresident.com/
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I mean i realize i present myself as centrist and i really did want to vote for Kasich because i felt like his voice was one the country needed but like....fuck the GOP they arent even pretending they believe their policies work.

Like you know what I would like to defend Cruz. He at least believes what hes saying. These fucking Machiavelli types are the real problem.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

For me it's just like, we give Trump all this shit about not being able to let the election go, but then Clinton comes in and she ALSO can't seem to let the election go, and it just looks bad. Now, Trump is really the one who should be letting it go because he's the fucking president now, but still.

Well, there are actually actionable things we should be doing to avoid a repeat of some of the reasons that Clinton lost (e.g. punishing Russia, the media going through some serious fucking reflection of how they covered stories like Clinton's emails, the whole country seriously examining their sexism), whereas Trump is just bringing it up because it's how he defines his entire self worth.

I agree with that, but Hillary herself is not the person to do it
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Jakyl25 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

For me it's just like, we give Trump all this shit about not being able to let the election go, but then Clinton comes in and she ALSO can't seem to let the election go, and it just looks bad. Now, Trump is really the one who should be letting it go because he's the fucking president now, but still.

Well, there are actually actionable things we should be doing to avoid a repeat of some of the reasons that Clinton lost (e.g. punishing Russia, the media going through some serious fucking reflection of how they covered stories like Clinton's emails, the whole country seriously examining their sexism), whereas Trump is just bringing it up because it's how he defines his entire self worth.

I agree with that, but Hillary herself is not the person to do it

That's basically the thing, like obviously there is plenty of reason to examine what went wrong with Clinton's campaign, but it's just like, fucking go away, you're not helping

I mean more people wanted Hillary than Trump.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

That's basically the thing, like obviously there is plenty of reason to examine what went wrong with Clinton's campaign, but it's just like, fucking go away, you're not helping

It's possible that that makes sense from a strategic POV, but it just makes me furious. No person so prominent in modern politics has had to put up with as much unjustified shit as Hillary Clinton, and no matter what she does she can't seem to win. She's a brilliant woman who has a lot of ideas to offer in actually moving our country forward, but because she lost to Trump she just has to suck it up and "go away?"
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

That's basically the thing, like obviously there is plenty of reason to examine what went wrong with Clinton's campaign, but it's just like, fucking go away, you're not helping

It's possible that that makes sense from a strategic POV, but it just makes me furious. No person so prominent in modern politics has had to put up with as much unjustified shit as Hillary Clinton, and no matter what she does she can't seem to win. She's a brilliant woman who has a lot of ideas to offer in actually moving our country forward, but because she lost to Trump she just has to suck it up and "go away?"

I know

I get it, trust me

but Clinton going on TV and wisecracking about winning the popular vote is also infuriating

harping on the popular vote thing is just a dead end, regardless of whether or not it's right

It's kinda sad, really, because Clinton is probably the best presidential candidate that we've had since... well since her husband. She's just a terrible campaigner. But I'd take her over W., Gore, Kerry, Obama, McCain, Romney and of course Trump.
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Just to get it in before it's too late, someone be on the ready to make a real topic 90 so we can ignore whatever shitty emoticon filled topic Ulti or Seph are planning to make.
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TheRock1525 posted...

It's kinda sad, really, because Clinton is probably the best presidential candidate that we've had since... well since her husband. She's just a terrible campaigner. But I'd take her over W., Gore, Kerry, Obama, McCain, Romney and of course Trump.

What?
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Rock I'm not gonna get behind you on Hillary over Obama.
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That's fine, just my opinion.
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Come on, we all know it's Vermin Supreme
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TheRock1525 posted...

That's fine, just my opinion.

I actually agree with you. I think Hillary would've been better suited for fixing Bush's mess than a rookie like Obama. I voted McCain in 2008, but definitely would've picked Hillary over him.
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I disagree.

Gore would've been better than Clinton.
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She's definitely the most qualified. <<

PerfectChaosZ posted...

She's definitely the most qualified. <<

this means nothing, first of all.

second of all, if you want to make that argument....in which way is she more qualified than Al Gore, who served as Vice President?



and I legitimately cannot believe people are saying she was treated unfairly. comey just did his job, wikileaks leaked true information. there were an insane amount of hurtful leaks and stories about trump- but this election was only about personality for liberals. for leftists, for conservatives, for libertarians, for independents, this election was about ideas and she ran the least ideologically focused campaign of all time. look it up if you don't believe me- she was (significantly) the candidate who aired ads about policy the least amount. she told the left to dream smaller, she told the right the country was going fine, she spent all her time with the wealthy elite and donor class and ignored the people, who trump played like a fiddle. she is a horrific candidate. even if you believe she is a policy genuis (lol), being a politician is about convincing people to vote for you, and to like you, and she is horrific at those aspects. she is good at schmoozing with the elite, she could make a good member of a staff, but she isn't a good face.

Al Gore is definitely the best major presidential candidate of my lifetime and it's still infuriating to me that he lost to George "I'd like to have a beer with him" Bush (an opinion almost as baffling to me as "Trump is super charismatic").
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Inviso posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

That's fine, just my opinion.

I actually agree with you. I think Hillary would've been better suited for fixing Bush's mess than a rookie like Obama. I voted McCain in 2008, but definitely would've picked Hillary over him.

You voted for the man who picked Sarah Palin?

...How?
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I can actually see how people would be taken by McCain, he talks a very good game (and then infuriatingly never ever backs it up)
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Kenri posted...

Al Gore is definitely the best major presidential candidate of my lifetime and it's still infuriating to me that he lost to George "I'd like to have a beer with him" Bush (an opinion almost as baffling to me as "Trump is super charismatic").

Democrat or Republican, the American voting public is fucking stupid and would rather treat our presidential election like a high school class president popularity contest. George Bush Sr. is the only president in my lifetime that didn't win on the back of "charisma", and look at how fucked up the country has gotten with Clinton's impeachment, Bush Jr. getting us back into Iraq, Obama being unprepared to handle leading a nation, and now Trump being the biggest fucking mistake in our nation's history.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Inviso posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

That's fine, just my opinion.

I actually agree with you. I think Hillary would've been better suited for fixing Bush's mess than a rookie like Obama. I voted McCain in 2008, but definitely would've picked Hillary over him.

You voted for the man who picked Sarah Palin?

...How?

Experience over a guy that talks really well.
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Kenri posted...

Al Gore is definitely the best major presidential candidate of my lifetime and it's still infuriating to me that he lost to George "I'd like to have a beer with him" Bush (an opinion almost as baffling to me as "Trump is super charismatic").

Er, at least Bush's idea is accurate. You WOULD like to have a beer with him. Please don't compare that to straight up stupidity, please.
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i wouldn't like to have a beer with GWB.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i wouldn't like to have a beer with GWB.

I'd fear he'd eat one of the bar pretzels and nearly choke to death.
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inb4500
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America is sexist.
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