Current Events > "A new Alien: Covenant prologue connects the film to Prometheus"

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http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/26/15439452/alien-covenant-prologue-prometheus-ridley-scott-watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMVrnYNwus
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Relevant
http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/23/14710976/alien-covenant-prologue-alien-1979

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkXgRlRao5I
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I keep forgetting this is a thing
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"Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

That gave me chills.

@meingott
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I actually enjoyed Prometheus so at some point I will watch this and Alien Covenant.
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Alien should crossover with Halo
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I fucking hate being teased over months and months

my god i can't wait
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prometheus was so shit I'm not allowing myself to get hype for the new alien
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Link HT posted...

prometheus was so shit I'm not allowing myself to get hype for the new alien

No.
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this is great. I really wanted to see the continuation of Prometheus and see the homeworld of the Engineers. So I am glad for this.

Link HT posted...

prometheus was so shit I'm not allowing myself to get hype for the new alien

Prometheus was amazing
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Returning_CEmen posted...

Relevant
http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/23/14710976/alien-covenant-prologue-alien-1979

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkXgRlRao5I

...is that Franco?
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Remind me again why at the end of Prometheus they went to the Engineer homeworld?
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Doom_Art posted...

Remind me again why at the end of Prometheus they went to the Engineer homeworld?

To find the rest of them, to find their makers.
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Burgess posted...

To find the rest of them, to find their makers.

Didn't the one Engineer they find in the movie end up being extremely hostile to all of them?

It's been years since I've seen the movie
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Doom_Art posted...

Remind me again why at the end of Prometheus they went to the Engineer homeworld?

the entire point of the mission was to find the Engineers. they wanted to talk to them

Doom_Art posted...

Didn't the one Engineer they find in the movie end up being extremely hostile to all of them?

yea but they still want to find more I guess. I think the lady wants to ask them why they are hostile

Doom_Art posted...

Burgess posted...

To find the rest of them, to find their makers.

Didn't the one Engineer they find in the movie end up being extremely hostile to all of them?

It's been years since I've seen the movie

Well that was because they pissed him off. They're not counting on all of them to be like that.
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Zikten posted...

yea but they still want to find more I guess. I think the lady wants to ask them why they are hostile

Burgess posted...

Well that was because they pissed him off. They're not counting on all of them to be like that.

Seems like a hell of a gamble

Though who am I to argue with the space scientist and android?
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Link HT posted...

prometheus was so shit I'm not allowing myself to get hype for the new alien

Yeah pretty much. For making the best Alien film Ridley is really stinking up the the franchise now.
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Burgess posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Remind me again why at the end of Prometheus they went to the Engineer homeworld?

To find the rest of them, to find their makers.

And if that scene at the end of the trailer is accurate, David's plans are to destroy them using their own weapon.

I have no idea how this ties to the cast in the other trailers, but I'm seeing this movie opening weekend.
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This confuses me. I thought covenant was a rerelease of Prometheus. I thought they were dropping Prometheus.

Either way, covenant looks like shit I just want to see Prometheus story line.
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Doom_Art posted...

Didn't the one Engineer they find in the movie end up being extremely hostile to all of them?

Yes. Part of it was that this particular Engineer was already heading to Earth to wipe out humanity before the outbreak, but the factors were the security guard hitting Shaw (which looked cruel) and David's comments, which (translated) were "‘This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life." The Engineer was having none of that.
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The only thing I liked about Prometheus was the visuals. Overall, it was a terrible movie with terrible characters
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damn so many CEman have an awful taste in fine films
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Prometheus was such a waste of the space jockey and I'm not digging the alien origin either. Covenant looks alright, I guess.
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Zikten posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Didn't the one Engineer they find in the movie end up being extremely hostile to all of them?

yea but they still want to find more I guess. I think the lady wants to ask them why they are hostile

jesus was an engineer and they are pissed we killed him.

i wish i could say i pulled that out of my ass, but that was a plan at some point
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Spooking posted...

Was there any indication that the Engineer went rogue to destroy Humans while all the other ones were peaceful?

No, but it's possible the Engineers that made that decision are the military/government wing that's completely separate from the (innocent) population was see who in the trailer who are about to be massacred. They may not know anything about the humans.
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ClunkerSlim posted...

Wait. Wasn't a plot point that the engineers had decided to wipe out humanity but got side tracked with something else?

Yep, with the alien breakout that killed all the Engineers in the station. Prior to that, they had a ship loaded and were planning to head to Earth to eliminate humanity.
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movie was below average. the nasty worm alien thing I didnt like lol.


you people should read the white nationalist take on the movie. Its funny.
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I'm confused so Prometheus is a prequel to the first Alien movie but Covenant is like an interquel between Prometheus and Alien? Dude I am confused as fuck, how does this work.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

I'm confused so Prometheus is a prequel to the first Alien movie but Covenant is like an interquel between Prometheus and Alien? Dude I am confused as fuck, how does this work.

Prometheus is a prequel to Alien. Covenant is a sequel to Prometheus but still a prequel to Alien.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

I'm confused so Prometheus is a prequel to the first Alien movie but Covenant is like an interquel between Prometheus and Alien? Dude I am confused as fuck, how does this work.

Boy I bet you end up in seizures when thinking about Star Wars.
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meingott posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

I'm confused so Prometheus is a prequel to the first Alien movie but Covenant is like an interquel between Prometheus and Alien? Dude I am confused as fuck, how does this work.

Prometheus is a prequel to Alien. Covenant is a sequel to Prometheus but still a prequel to Alien.

So it's an interquel? The fuck, man.
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SlashmanSG posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

I'm confused so Prometheus is a prequel to the first Alien movie but Covenant is like an interquel between Prometheus and Alien? Dude I am confused as fuck, how does this work.

Boy I bet you end up in seizures when thinking about Star Wars.

Naw Star Wars is easy as fuck to understand.
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Veggeta_MAX posted...

I'm confused so Prometheus is a prequel to the first Alien movie but Covenant is like an interquel between Prometheus and Alien? Dude I am confused as fuck, how does this work.

The time line of the movies isn't the biggest determent to getting what's going. Bad writing and excessive masturbatory story telling on Ridley's part is. He's to the Alien franchise, what Bendis is to the Marvel Universe.
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I mean Promotheus is pretty fucking direct towards to Alien so how they are going to make so much shit happen between those two has cluster fuck written all over it.
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I thought they headed to the alien homeworld at the end of prometheus

or maybe I am confusing that with the end of a predator game
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All right, so I re-watched the trailers and here is my take on what's happening.

The video in the OP shows what happens after the end of Prometheus. David learns of human compassion through Shaw and gains a new appreciation for them. While she is in cryosleep, he learns the ways of the Engineers and their apparent habit of committing mass genocide on worlds that do not develop as they see fit. He knows, from the first film, that they intended to wipe out all the humans on Earth. Wanting to prevent the destruction of humanity, he arrives at the Engineer home world unleashes their own weapon on them.

Now, this is when the other trailer begins:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svnAD0TApb8

This trailer seems to take place on the same Engineer home world, where the new crew is attempting to start a colony. Why that world or how they found it? Don't know yet. However, David's actions have apparently wiped out all traces of animal life. In the part where they find the derelict, we can see them find David (or Shaw's) tags, so we know it's the same one. The biggest reveal, at 1:56, we can see thousands/millions of slaughtered Engineers (or whatever their people are called) in the same city circle from the end of the trailer with David.

Looks like the rest of the film is them dealing with whatever aliens are left who wiped out the Engineer race.
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I liked Prometheus. I don't see what the issue people have with it is. Is it the expanding of the otherwise framework-setting of the original Alien movies that upsets people? I mean, it's not like Ridley has rushed the exposition of the franchise--It developed a little bit through the primary movies, and decades after he released Prometheus to fill out the story setting more.

The characters were fine. The exploration of the facility and visual direction were great. The story was interesting and thrilling. I dunno, I thought it was good. Not as gripping and thrilling as Alien, but what is?
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

I liked Prometheus. I don't see what the issue people have with it is. Is it the expanding of the otherwise framework-setting of the original Alien movies that upsets people? I mean, it's not like Ridley has rushed the exposition of the franchise--It developed a little bit through the primary movies, and decades after he released Prometheus to fill out the story setting more.

The characters were fine. The exploration of the facility and visual direction were great. The story was interesting and thrilling. I dunno, I thought it was good. Not as gripping and thrilling as Alien, but what is?

one issue for me is the engineers are supposed to be advanced life and yet this robot can talk his language and the dude just flips out

I get what they were trying to do but that ruins the immersion for me as this kind of thing typically does

like if they were so sophisticated he could have at least had a conversation with the robot and explained why he was about to kill them all and be at least a little inquisitive

like if some aliens came to us as humans and we thought they were inferior and they had a robot that spoke english and was like "we think u guys are great and can do what only God can" I think even the most brainless brodude humans would actually not just outright flip out

and this is not even a human quality


essentially the whole movie built up to that very moment, to speak with the engineer

and it was more or less that their writers couldn't think of an actually good conversation so they hit the cliche button
"just have him flip out and try to kill everyone"
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

I liked Prometheus. I don't see what the issue people have with it is. Is it the expanding of the otherwise framework-setting of the original Alien movies that upsets people? I mean, it's not like Ridley has rushed the exposition of the franchise--It developed a little bit through the primary movies, and decades after he released Prometheus to fill out the story setting more.

The characters were fine. The exploration of the facility and visual direction were great. The story was interesting and thrilling. I dunno, I thought it was good. Not as gripping and thrilling as Alien, but what is?

Yeah, I don't know either. It sounds like I'm in the extreme minority, but I loved Prometheus. It wasn't perfect -- I hated the idiot scientists who pet the snake, and the stuff with Weyland wasn't particularly well done -- but the visuals and expansion of the Alien mythology were my favorite parts.

I will say that one of the issues is probably that a lot of people were confused by it It's not explicitly clear what the Engineers are doing at the beginning (i.e. seeding a world like they did with Earth), what their purpose was (i.e. wiping out humanity for some reason), or what happened to them (unexplained alien outbreak), so a lot of people were annoyed. But I didn't have an issue following the plot of accepting any of that. There isn't much left to do in the Alien universe without expanding the mythology, otherwise we just get a series of rehashed slasher films.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

one issue for me is the engineers are supposed to be advanced life and yet this robot can talk his language and the dude just flips out

This is is explained, though. All human languages are derivatives of the Engineer language, which they supposedly passed along to humans when they were mentoring them 2000 years ago. David says specifically that he studied most primitive human languages, which gave him enough of an understanding that he could read the symbols in the station and communicate with the Engineer.

As for the Engineer's reaction, he was just awoken by the creatures he was on a mission to kill. The one in front of him wants to be granted immortality, while the other one punches a helpless woman in the chest for talking. Of course he's not going to take that well.

Basically, the Engineers had already long since decided that humanity needed to be purged, so there wasn't any interest in having a discussion or negotiating.
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The Admiral posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

one issue for me is the engineers are supposed to be advanced life and yet this robot can talk his language and the dude just flips out

This is is explained, though. All human languages are derivatives of the Engineer language, which they supposedly passed along to humans when they were mentoring them 2000 years ago. David says specifically that he studied most primitive human languages, which gave him enough of an understanding that he could read the symbols in the station and communicate with the Engineer.

As for the Engineer's reaction, he was just awoken by the creatures he was on a mission to kill. The one in front of him wants to be granted immortality, while the other one punches a helpless woman in the chest for talking. Of course he's not going to take that well.

Basically, the Engineers had already long since decided that humanity needed to be purged, so there wasn't any interest in having a discussion or negotiating.

My issue isn't him speaking the language

my issue is that he should at least be somewhat impressed they made a robot that is speaking his language

he can still be mad, upset, etc
but at least be a little taken aback and inquisitive

he literally doesn't even say a word

I liked the original cut better where he does speak briefly

and already deciding to purge humanity isn't an excuse

a soldier amidst combat in vietnam will shout things to the enemy while he is gutting them

they just got to carried away trying to make a scary monster not realizing the whole point of the engineer was to not be such a thing

they aren't supposed to be xenomorph 2.0

like you just wake up from cryo sleep, you should at least be like, "wtf is going on"

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The Admiral posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

I liked Prometheus. I don't see what the issue people have with it is. Is it the expanding of the otherwise framework-setting of the original Alien movies that upsets people? I mean, it's not like Ridley has rushed the exposition of the franchise--It developed a little bit through the primary movies, and decades after he released Prometheus to fill out the story setting more.

The characters were fine. The exploration of the facility and visual direction were great. The story was interesting and thrilling. I dunno, I thought it was good. Not as gripping and thrilling as Alien, but what is?

Yeah, I don't know either. It sounds like I'm in the extreme minority, but I loved Prometheus. It wasn't perfect -- I hated the idiot scientists who pet the snake, and the stuff with Weyland wasn't particularly well done -- but the visuals and expansion of the Alien mythology were my favorite parts.

I will say that one of the issues is probably that a lot of people were confused by it It's not explicitly clear what the Engineers are doing at the beginning (i.e. seeding a world like they did with Earth), what their purpose was (i.e. wiping out humanity for some reason), or what happened to them (unexplained alien outbreak), so a lot of people were annoyed. But I didn't have an issue following the plot of accepting any of that. There isn't much left to do in the Alien universe without expanding the mythology, otherwise we just get a series of rehashed slasher films.

Exactly. I loved it too. I think people disliked it for two reasons. 1) It didn't hold your hand and explain everything, so people who dislike filling in the gaps for themselves hated the movie. 2) It wasn't explicitly against religion or the concept of God, which is a theme that occurred throughout the film. Especially since Shaw is a Christian. To a lot of neckbeards on CE, that means the film is trash.
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meingott posted...

2) It wasn't explicitly against religion or the concept of God, which is a theme that occurred throughout the film. Especially since Shaw is a Christian. To a lot of neckbeards on CE, that means the film is trash.

wut

in the begginning of the movie Satan makes mankind

cause you know it was the renegade engineer who sacrifices his body to seed life for humans
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