Current Events > Was Adolf Hitler an atheist?

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Funcoland posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Didn't the Vatican fully support his anti-Jewish policies

No. While it can be argued the Vatican could have done more, to say they supported Nazi ideals is historically wrong. What could be done was limited, especially since Rome was under the control of facist Italy.

They praised the fuck out of Hitler though

in the 1930s the catholics in Germany kinda sided with some of his policies, reason was that at the time, hitler was kinda pro christian or appeared to be (either to appeal to the Christians since most of Germany was Christian). he didnt want to piss them off, and vice versa. I would call it a non-aggression pact (similar to Ribbontrop Molotov thing).

he was raised Catholic, probably because of his mom, but he stopped going to churches and become more like his dad as he grew, anticlerical, and so on.

as his ideas shifted he claimed to support some form of Christianity which was different from Catholicism and Protestants, then there waas paganism (although it was some of the other top Nazi leaders who were more into that). then he became antiCatholic antiChristian.

He did kill thousands of priests and Jesuits. Mentioning that Jesuits are bad. Murdered several million Catholics (notably Poland comes to mind). He obviously murdered Protestants and Orthodox.

Priests did help many people including Jews.


In the Yugoslavia area, a couple bishops, some priests, from Croatia I think did side against Serbs (Orthodox).

I dont think there was any order from the Pope to do these things but the Ustache did horrible things.

The war was more ethnoracial and political than religious. Hitler was probably confused or didnt care about religion during the war period.
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he was definitely not an atheist. I don't know if he was a christian, but he was definitely into mystical shit
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he expressed a lot of Catholic views and was into weird magic shit so I'm gonna say no, he wasn't

the whole debate however tends to be grounded upon the notion that if Hitler was an atheist, that must somehow be what atheism leads to. Which is fucking silly lmao.
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Saloonist posted...

Among the Greeks and Romans, the life of a slave was nothing. Slaves were by their very position inferior beings whose lives were worthless. Even when Christians kept the institution of slavery, the fundamental equality recognized between a slave and an emperor was accepted.

actually christiany elevated the slave to likeness with the owner

Galatians 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

true that it did not outright call for slavery to end and even has a passage about slaves obeying their masters
but Jesus shed his blood for slaves as well as the owners and they were also to be treated as...

brothers

Ephesians 6
8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

isn't interesting to read that the master will receive of the Lord whatever treatment he treats his slave?
So if he is cruel and whips him, then Jesus will be cruel and beat the master?

they don't teach you this in bash christianity 101 class for good reason
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ThyCorndog posted...

he was definitely not an atheist. I don't know if he was a christian, but he was definitely into mystical shit

the mystical stuff relates to the Thule Society. There was some Nordic/Germanic paganism involved too.
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ThyCorndog posted...

he was definitely not an atheist. I don't know if he was a christian, but he was definitely into mystical shit

you don't think atheists can be into mystical stuff?
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FlashOfLight posted...

He was a Grade-A Freemason, just like the rest of the Theosophist club from which the NAZI party sprang out of.

he did ban and kill Freemasons, possibly a specific type of Freemasonry?

what I know is that Anglo speaking nations require belief in a god, and many of them were/are deists. they dont have good relations with the Catholic Church.

Latin speaking/Continental freemasons can be atheists and hate the Catholic Church.

I dont know too much about Freemasonry in Germany.

Most freemasons tend to be in UK/US which also were Protestant majorities.
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idk. he certainly wasn't a christian tho because they have one simple rule not to kill and he sort of fucked that up
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He was a meth addicted mess, let's leave it at that.

AmonAmarth posted...

FlashOfLight posted...

He was a Grade-A Freemason, just like the rest of the Theosophist club from which the NAZI party sprang out of.

he did ban and kill Freemasons, possibly a specific type of Freemasonry?

what I know is that Anglo speaking nations require belief in a god, and many of them were/are deists. they dont have good relations with the Catholic Church.

Latin speaking/Continental freemasons can be atheists and hate the Catholic Church.

I dont know too much about Freemasonry in Germany.

Most freemasons tend to be in UK/US which also were Protestant majorities.

from what I read only requirement of free masonry is you believe in a higher power and scriptures

that could mean Satan and their books or some random pagan god and stuff like that

I wonder if baphomet himself qualifies
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darkphoenix181 posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

he was definitely not an atheist. I don't know if he was a christian, but he was definitely into mystical shit

you don't think atheists can be into mystical stuff?

I suppose they could. but he was into some paganist occultist shit as other posters have said. he also espoused religious rhetoric plenty of times. it's possible he was an atheist but I really doubt it
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I pressed the wrong option. :(
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ThyCorndog posted...

but he was into some paganist occultist s*** as other posters have said.

I mean believing in spirits, ghosts, inter-dimensional creatures isn't really the same as believing a God created the world right?
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Saloonist posted...

Among the Greeks and Romans, the life of a slave was nothing. Slaves were by their very position inferior beings whose lives were worthless. Even when Christians kept the institution of slavery, the fundamental equality recognized between a slave and an emperor was accepted.

actually christiany elevated the slave to likeness with the owner

Galatians 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

true that it did not outright call for slavery to end and even has a passage about slaves obeying their masters
but Jesus shed his blood for slaves as well as the owners and they were also to be treated as...

brothers

Ephesians 6
8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

isn't interesting to read that the master will receive of the Lord whatever treatment he treats his slave?
So if he is cruel and whips him, then Jesus will be cruel and beat the master?

they don't teach you this in bash christianity 101 class for good reason

You misread me.
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there was a lot of Nazi propaganda portraying Hitler as a Christian. Like that photo of him walking out of a church.

But unless you buy into Nazi propaganda, he was far from it.
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AmonAmarth posted...

he did ban and kill Freemasons, possibly a specific type of Freemasonry?

Yep, they just weed out lower lodges that are not plan of the overall bigger picture.

Just like the NAZIs first used the S.A., who were lower tier thugs to do their dirty work in the first years, and then during the night of the long knives they went in for the kill of their own members, and replaced the ruling class among the NAZIs with the S.S., the elite team.
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His public image was Christian. Now, did he truly believe it or was he just using it as the German masses were obviously Christians? That's something only he could've known.

he was not christian

KyerWiz posted...

His public image was Christian. Now, did he truly believe it or was he just using it as the German masses were obviously Christians? That's something only he could've known.

That is the whole point of the Freemasonic agenda, to destroy Jews and Christians from off the face of the Earth by using any means necessary. That's why Lenin's group first weeded out the Orthodox Christians in Russia, then having set that up, they themselves went against the NAZIs, with Christians being the end result of the deaths in France, Italy, the UK and elsewhere.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

but he was into some paganist occultist s*** as other posters have said.

I mean believing in spirits, ghosts, inter-dimensional creatures isn't really the same as believing a God created the world right?

Actually, the occult stuff was more Himmler IIRC.

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

“The greatness of Christianity did not arise from attempts to make compromises with those philosophical opinions of the ancient world which had some resemblance to its own doctrine, but in the unrelenting and fanatical proclamation and defense of its own teaching.”

The first is from a speech he gave. The second from Mein Kampf. It's pretty clear where he stands on the issue.

That being said he did have his issues with the church in Germany. Primarily due to it's resistance to certain aspects of Nazi ideology. You can look at the feud with the Archbishop of Munster as an example.
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