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Vindris_SNH
04/24/17 1:09:37 PM
#201:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
So that means you point a gun at the first group of black kids you see? In a black area?


I'm sure that was their exact strategy
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DifferentialEquation
04/24/17 1:12:20 PM
#202:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
it's a social contract. just like it's understood that you aren't supposed to just shout racist shit and act crazy in public. that's your job as a citizen

and it's shit parents fault if kids aren't taught this


And that's irrelevant. Cops shouldn't be given a pass for escalating a situation just because a civilian did. Just like I can't curse out a customer at my job because they're acting like a dick to me. I'm supposed to be trained to deal with these types of scenarios.


Customers acting like a dick isn't going to result in you or other bystanders ending up maimed or killed like someone escalating a situation with the police might.
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UnfairRepresent
04/24/17 1:12:35 PM
#203:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Just like I can't curse out a customer at my job



That explains a lot
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RchHomieQuanChi
04/24/17 1:21:06 PM
#204:


DifferentialEquation posted...
Customers acting like a dick isn't going to result in you or other bystanders ending up maimed or killed like someone escalating a situation with the police might.


Sure. But in this scenario, the cop wasn't in danger.
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DifferentialEquation
04/24/17 1:24:10 PM
#205:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Customers acting like a dick isn't going to result in you or other bystanders ending up maimed or killed like someone escalating a situation with the police might.


Sure. But in this scenario, the cop wasn't in danger.


There was no way for the cop to to be certain of that at the moment so he took the necessary steps to prevent the situation from escalating.
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Blue_Inigo
04/24/17 1:33:13 PM
#206:


DifferentialEquation posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Customers acting like a dick isn't going to result in you or other bystanders ending up maimed or killed like someone escalating a situation with the police might.


Sure. But in this scenario, the cop wasn't in danger.


There was no way for the cop to to be certain of that at the moment so he took the necessary steps to prevent the situation from escalating.

He prevented the situation from escalating...... by pulling out a gun on kids which immediately escalated the situation?
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Darklit_Minuet
04/24/17 1:33:54 PM
#207:


DifferentialEquation posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Customers acting like a dick isn't going to result in you or other bystanders ending up maimed or killed like someone escalating a situation with the police might.


Sure. But in this scenario, the cop wasn't in danger.


There was no way for the cop to to be certain of that at the moment so he took the necessary steps to prevent the situation from escalating.

By that logic, there is no way for an American civilian to be certain of their safety around cops, therefore it's okay for them to take the necessary steps to prevent the situation from escalating.
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DifferentialEquation
04/24/17 1:40:51 PM
#208:


Blue_Inigo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Customers acting like a dick isn't going to result in you or other bystanders ending up maimed or killed like someone escalating a situation with the police might.


Sure. But in this scenario, the cop wasn't in danger.


There was no way for the cop to to be certain of that at the moment so he took the necessary steps to prevent the situation from escalating.

He prevented the situation from escalating...... by pulling out a gun on kids which immediately escalated the situation?


He didn't escalate the situation. He had reason to believe that those kids could have been armed. Should he just assume that they're not going to use their gun and wait for them start shooting to take his out, or should he use his firearm from the getgo to better ensure a safe outcome for himself and any bystanders?
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DifferentialEquation
04/24/17 1:43:32 PM
#209:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Customers acting like a dick isn't going to result in you or other bystanders ending up maimed or killed like someone escalating a situation with the police might.


Sure. But in this scenario, the cop wasn't in danger.


There was no way for the cop to to be certain of that at the moment so he took the necessary steps to prevent the situation from escalating.

By that logic, there is no way for an American civilian to be certain of their safety around cops, therefore it's okay for them to take the necessary steps to prevent the situation from escalating.


The necessary steps for a civilian to ensure their safety around cops is to comply with orders and not try to rush/attack them. So I agree, civilians should take those necessary steps.
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cjsdowg
04/24/17 1:46:38 PM
#210:


DifferentialEquation posted...

I've been stopped by the cops before when I've done nothing wrong and it's not the end of the world. I've told this story before here. For my highschool graduation, a friend's dad let us take his Porsche out. A cop pulled us over because he saw some teenagers driving around in a very expensive car and it looked suspicious to him. He pulled us over, talked to us for a few minutes, verified our story and then sent us on our way. None of our parents or anyone else started crying police abuse and making it into a big deal.


And you don't see how that is different from what happen to these kids.
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RchHomieQuanChi
04/24/17 1:47:11 PM
#211:


DifferentialEquation posted...
Should he just assume that they're not going to use their gun and wait for them start shooting to take his out


Yes, because all criminals act like the bad guys in Breaking Bad. They just immediately pull out their gun and fire on a police officer for even talking to them.
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Slaya4
04/24/17 1:51:49 PM
#212:


This shit happens everyday in LA. One of the many reasons why I dont trust cops.
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Ammonitida
04/24/17 1:56:39 PM
#213:


A lot of Micah Johnson fans in this thread. SMH
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DifferentialEquation
04/24/17 2:00:50 PM
#214:


cjsdowg posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...

I've been stopped by the cops before when I've done nothing wrong and it's not the end of the world. I've told this story before here. For my highschool graduation, a friend's dad let us take his Porsche out. A cop pulled us over because he saw some teenagers driving around in a very expensive car and it looked suspicious to him. He pulled us over, talked to us for a few minutes, verified our story and then sent us on our way. None of our parents or anyone else started crying police abuse and making it into a big deal.


And you don't see how that is different from what happen to these kids.


The basic facts of each case are the same. The police had suspicion of possible criminal activity, they briefly questioned and detained some kids, they saw that no crime had been committed and sent them on their way.
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UnfairRepresent
04/24/17 2:03:57 PM
#215:


DifferentialEquation posted...


The necessary steps for a civilian to ensure their safety around cops is to comply with orders and not try to rush/attack them. So I agree, civilians should take those necessary steps.

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Darklit_Minuet
04/24/17 2:07:09 PM
#216:


DifferentialEquation posted...
The necessary steps for a civilian to ensure their safety around cops is to comply with orders and not try to rush/attack them. So I agree, civilians should take those necessary steps.

Why the double standard? Cops should simply not try to rush/attack people
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DifferentialEquation
04/24/17 2:11:27 PM
#217:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The necessary steps for a civilian to ensure their safety around cops is to comply with orders and not try to rush/attack them. So I agree, civilians should take those necessary steps.

Why the double standard? Cops should simply not try to rush/attack people


They don't. They defend themselves when the suspect becomes violent.
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Darklit_Minuet
04/24/17 2:18:16 PM
#218:


DifferentialEquation posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The necessary steps for a civilian to ensure their safety around cops is to comply with orders and not try to rush/attack them. So I agree, civilians should take those necessary steps.

Why the double standard? Cops should simply not try to rush/attack people


They don't. They defend themselves when the suspect becomes violent.

Were these kids violent then?

There was no reason to have their guns out
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DifferentialEquation
04/24/17 2:24:42 PM
#219:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The necessary steps for a civilian to ensure their safety around cops is to comply with orders and not try to rush/attack them. So I agree, civilians should take those necessary steps.

Why the double standard? Cops should simply not try to rush/attack people


They don't. They defend themselves when the suspect becomes violent.

Were these kids violent then?

There was no reason to have their guns out



No, the kids were not violent. But it's not a big deal and is perfectly acceptable for a cop to point their gun at people to do their job; you seem to be treating it as equivalent with some random person pulling a gun on the kids which is just dishonest. You may as well regard a surgeon holding a scalpel as a random guy pulling a knife on people.
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cjsdowg
04/24/17 2:27:19 PM
#220:


DifferentialEquation posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The necessary steps for a civilian to ensure their safety around cops is to comply with orders and not try to rush/attack them. So I agree, civilians should take those necessary steps.

Why the double standard? Cops should simply not try to rush/attack people


They don't. They defend themselves when the suspect becomes violent.

Were these kids violent then?

There was no reason to have their guns out



No, the kids were not violent. But it's not a big deal and is perfectly acceptable for a cop to point their gun at people to do their job; you seem to be treating it as equivalent with some random person pulling a gun on the kids which is just dishonest. You may as well regard a surgeon holding a scalpel as a random guy pulling a knife on people.


If a doctor pull out a scalpel on people who were not sick , then yeah people would say something.
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Blue_Inigo
04/24/17 2:29:38 PM
#221:


DifferentialEquation posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The necessary steps for a civilian to ensure their safety around cops is to comply with orders and not try to rush/attack them. So I agree, civilians should take those necessary steps.

Why the double standard? Cops should simply not try to rush/attack people


They don't. They defend themselves when the suspect becomes violent.

Were these kids violent then?

There was no reason to have their guns out



No, the kids were not violent. But it's not a big deal and is perfectly acceptable for a cop to point their gun at people to do their job; you seem to be treating it as equivalent with some random person pulling a gun on the kids which is just dishonest. You may as well regard a surgeon holding a scalpel as a random guy pulling a knife on people.


You went too far with your bait, pal
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UnfairRepresent
04/24/17 2:30:27 PM
#222:


cjsdowg posted...


If a doctor pull out a scalpel on people who were not sick , then yeah people would say something.

Never heard of circumcision
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DifferentialEquation
04/24/17 2:41:19 PM
#223:


Blue_Inigo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The necessary steps for a civilian to ensure their safety around cops is to comply with orders and not try to rush/attack them. So I agree, civilians should take those necessary steps.

Why the double standard? Cops should simply not try to rush/attack people


They don't. They defend themselves when the suspect becomes violent.

Were these kids violent then?

There was no reason to have their guns out



No, the kids were not violent. But it's not a big deal and is perfectly acceptable for a cop to point their gun at people to do their job; you seem to be treating it as equivalent with some random person pulling a gun on the kids which is just dishonest. You may as well regard a surgeon holding a scalpel as a random guy pulling a knife on people.


You went too far with your bait, pal


It's not, though. A trained law enforcement officer with their firearm is nothing to be afraid of unless you're planning on attacking them or doing something else that would require them to fire it. In the Iraq war, our troops would always take their rifles with them everywhere, even if they were just stopping at a home/village to gather some information from seemingly harmless civilians and no one made a big deal out of that. People who get upset about officer taking their firearm out of its holster are the victims of fear-mongering.
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Darklit_Minuet
04/24/17 3:09:59 PM
#224:


DifferentialEquation posted...
A trained law enforcement officer with their firearm is nothing to be afraid of unless you're planning on attacking them or doing something else that would require them to fire it

Unarmed kids are also nothing to be afraid of
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Tezlok
04/24/17 3:38:16 PM
#225:


DifferentialEquation posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The necessary steps for a civilian to ensure their safety around cops is to comply with orders and not try to rush/attack them. So I agree, civilians should take those necessary steps.

Why the double standard? Cops should simply not try to rush/attack people


They don't. They defend themselves when the suspect becomes violent.

Were these kids violent then?

There was no reason to have their guns out



No, the kids were not violent. But it's not a big deal and is perfectly acceptable for a cop to point their gun at people to do their job; you seem to be treating it as equivalent with some random person pulling a gun on the kids which is just dishonest. You may as well regard a surgeon holding a scalpel as a random guy pulling a knife on people.


You went too far with your bait, pal


It's not, though. A trained law enforcement officer with their firearm is nothing to be afraid of unless you're planning on attacking them or doing something else that would require them to fire it. In the Iraq war, our troops would always take their rifles with them everywhere, even if they were just stopping at a home/village to gather some information from seemingly harmless civilians and no one made a big deal out of that. People who get upset about officer taking their firearm out of its holster are the victims of fear-mongering.

Do the troops aim their rifles at everyone they talk to though?
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The Admiral
04/24/17 3:48:42 PM
#226:


Twinmold posted...
If you don't find this horrible, you're racist. Case closed. There's no argument.

It doesn't matter that you disagree. Society gets to determine who's racist, and who's not, and the verdict is in.


Ah, the grand old liberal logic of "if a white person does something that negatively affects a black person, the reason is racism. "

Context ignored, no evidence required, motives known completely. Must be racism, no other possibilities are allowed.
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cjsdowg
04/24/17 3:51:44 PM
#227:


The Admiral posted...

Context ignored, no evidence required, motives known completely. Must be racism, no other possibilities are allowed.


Guilt with no Evidence required just the way you want black children to be treated.
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The Admiral
04/24/17 3:53:56 PM
#228:


cjsdowg posted...
The Admiral posted...

Context ignored, no evidence required, motives known completely. Must be racism, no other possibilities are allowed.


Guilt with no Evidence required just the way you want black children to be treated.


Didn't realize they were convicted and found guilty. Thought they were just being treated as suspects because they fit the description of another group of criminals.
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ShinigamiSoul
04/24/17 4:16:04 PM
#229:


The Admiral posted...
cjsdowg posted...
The Admiral posted...

Context ignored, no evidence required, motives known completely. Must be racism, no other possibilities are allowed.


Guilt with no Evidence required just the way you want black children to be treated.


Didn't realize they were convicted and found guilty. Thought they were just being treated as suspects because they fit the description of another group of criminals.

And it's unfortunate, because now those kids will probably have a negative perception of police for life. They most certainly didn't walk away unharmed.
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StealthRock
04/24/17 6:42:58 PM
#230:


Ammonitida posted...
A lot of Micah Johnson fans in this thread. SMH

more hitler fans on this board in general though
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StealthRock
04/24/17 6:48:03 PM
#231:


The Admiral posted...
Twinmold posted...
If you don't find this horrible, you're racist. Case closed. There's no argument.

It doesn't matter that you disagree. Society gets to determine who's racist, and who's not, and the verdict is in.


Ah, the grand old liberal logic of "if a white person does something that negatively affects a black person, the reason is racism. "

Context ignored, no evidence required, motives known completely. Must be racism, no other possibilities are allowed.



Conext ignored, no evidence to the contrary, motives shown through out history, or even through past action of the cop in question. Nope, not Racism. Never

The grand old white supremacist denial technique

All possibilities are considered. But you and many others who think like you seem convinced that it's not racism. So tell me how you were able to gather enough info to rule that out?
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Blue_Inigo
04/24/17 6:51:18 PM
#232:


This reminds me of a time last year when I was walking to the bus stop and some cops stopped me because I fit the description of someone who had just robbed the liquor store I passed by. All they did was ask me questions and realized I didn't do it. They didn't pull out their fucking guns on me.
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apocalyptic_4
04/24/17 6:59:37 PM
#233:


Blue_Inigo posted...
This reminds me of a time last year when I was walking to the bus stop and some cops stopped me because I fit the description of someone who had just robbed the liquor store I passed by. All they did was ask me questions and realized I didn't do it. They didn't pull out their fucking guns on me.


This.

I've been stopped a few times and was only asked a few questions at worst would be asked to have my hands out of my pockets and etc.
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Taharqa_
04/24/17 7:01:46 PM
#234:


ShinigamiSoul posted...
The Admiral posted...
cjsdowg posted...
The Admiral posted...

Context ignored, no evidence required, motives known completely. Must be racism, no other possibilities are allowed.


Guilt with no Evidence required just the way you want black children to be treated.


Didn't realize they were convicted and found guilty. Thought they were just being treated as suspects because they fit the description of another group of criminals.

And it's unfortunate, because now those kids will probably have a negative perception of police for life. They most certainly didn't walk away unharmed.


Don't you know bro, it's no big deal to have a loaded gun pointed at you.

It's not like cops haven't shot people accidentally before...ohwait...
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Draje
04/24/17 7:28:17 PM
#235:


Imagine being stupid enough to defend this scumbaggery
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Dragonblade01
04/24/17 7:38:57 PM
#236:


This isn't a problem that can be fixed just by blaming the police or blaming the kids. It's just another example of the same symptom of the same disease that we see over and over again. Relatively impoverished communities made of a majority of non-whites, from which has stemmed a cyclical expectation and subsequent actuation of stereotypical behaviors.
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Delirious_Beard
04/24/17 8:56:33 PM
#238:


The Admiral posted...
liberal

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UnfairRepresent
04/25/17 6:36:37 AM
#239:


Dragonblade01 posted...
This isn't a problem that can be fixed just by blaming the police or blaming the kids. It's just another example of the same symptom of the same disease that we see over and over again. Relatively impoverished communities made of a majority of non-whites, from which has stemmed a cyclical expectation and subsequent actuation of stereotypical behaviors.

What a non statement
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Dragonblade01
04/25/17 8:21:27 AM
#240:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
This isn't a problem that can be fixed just by blaming the police or blaming the kids. It's just another example of the same symptom of the same disease that we see over and over again. Relatively impoverished communities made of a majority of non-whites, from which has stemmed a cyclical expectation and subsequent actuation of stereotypical behaviors.

What a non statement

It's not a non-statement. It's the truth.
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UnfairRepresent
04/25/17 8:25:00 AM
#241:


You're not actually saying anything
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