Current Events > Remember when Xbox One was gonna be the DRM TV console?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Online only
No sharing games
Fucking TV bullshit

They didnt shoot themselves in the foot. They put a bullet straight in their heads with this nonsense.
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Remember how none of that happened anyway, so now it doesn't matter?
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and now the funny thing is that the top selling games are online-only or predominantly played online (Destiny, NBA Live, CoD, GTAV, etc), gamestop is slowly going out of business because people aren't even buying physical games anymore (so no sharing), one of the top uses of consoles is for streaming services, and voice interfaces are the biggest fad in tech today (Siri, Ok Google, Bixby, etc).

gamers acted like babies and the end result is that we have two consoles that are basically gameboxes. there were definitely some problems with the OG Xbox One but at least it had some kind of a vision. idk about you guys but I spend more time watching Netflix and TV and shit these days than actually gaming
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green butter posted...

and now the funny thing is that the top selling games are online-only or predominantly played online (Destiny, NBA Live, CoD, GTAV, etc), gamestop is going out of business because people aren't even buying physical games anymore (so no sharing), one of the top uses of consoles is for streaming services, and voice interfaces are the biggest fad in tech today (Siri, Ok Google, Bixby, etc).

gamers acted like babies and the end result is that we have two consoles that are basically gameboxes. there were definitely some problems with the OG Xbox One but at least it had some kind of a vision. idk about you guys but I spend more time watching Netflix and TV and shit these days than actually gaming

This. Xbox One could have been an amazing multimedia console if gamer babies had friends over. Now it's just ok but way better than chromechast and ps4

Flasbangs posted...

Remember how none of that happened anyway, so now it doesn't matter?

remember if we support them to the arrogant levels of the 360-era, it will definitely happen again?
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Well considering most cable companies have now adopted the majority of the features used by Xb1 and the Kinect, and that growth rate of online purchases and digital media continues to skyrocket, Id say they were on the right track imo
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AsucaHayashi posted...

Flasbangs posted...

Remember how none of that happened anyway, so now it doesn't matter?

remember if we support them to the arrogant levels of the 360-era, it will definitely happen again?

Uhh, lol, no.

That was a huge PR blunder that they have learned from. They aren't a stupid company. If something big fucks up, they change it for good. Like how the RRoD was fixed with the Slim 360, and when they designed the One, they made 50-fucking-percent of its surface area ventilation, lol. I think it's safe to say MS will be the last to try that DRM stuff again.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

green butter posted...

and now the funny thing is that the top selling games are online-only or predominantly played online (Destiny, NBA Live, CoD, GTAV, etc), gamestop is going out of business because people aren't even buying physical games anymore (so no sharing), one of the top uses of consoles is for streaming services, and voice interfaces are the biggest fad in tech today (Siri, Ok Google, Bixby, etc).

gamers acted like babies and the end result is that we have two consoles that are basically gameboxes. there were definitely some problems with the OG Xbox One but at least it had some kind of a vision. idk about you guys but I spend more time watching Netflix and TV and shit these days than actually gaming

This. Xbox One could have been an amazing multimedia console if gamer babies had friends over. Now it's just ok but way better than chromechast and ps4

You guys can't be this dense.....
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Blue_Inigo posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

green butter posted...

and now the funny thing is that the top selling games are online-only or predominantly played online (Destiny, NBA Live, CoD, GTAV, etc), gamestop is going out of business because people aren't even buying physical games anymore (so no sharing), one of the top uses of consoles is for streaming services, and voice interfaces are the biggest fad in tech today (Siri, Ok Google, Bixby, etc).

gamers acted like babies and the end result is that we have two consoles that are basically gameboxes. there were definitely some problems with the OG Xbox One but at least it had some kind of a vision. idk about you guys but I spend more time watching Netflix and TV and shit these days than actually gaming

This. Xbox One could have been an amazing multimedia console if gamer babies had friends over. Now it's just ok but way better than chromechast and ps4

You guys can't be this dense.....

What's wrong about what I said?

The backlash against the Xbox One was downright silly at points, like when there were people freaking out that people living on nuclear submarines would not be able to play the latest Xbox One games:

https://venturebeat.com/2013/06/13/microsofts-mattrick-doesnt-know-about-living-on-a-submarine-so-we-asked-someone-who-does/

And now when you look at it, a lot of the ideas behind the original Xbox One were pretty much exactly where gaming is headed.

And because of the outrage, gamers demanded that their consoles just be living room boxes that play games, and now here we are, with two nearly identical home consoles that do pretty much nothing different than the PS3/Xbox 360 - multimedia was going to be something to set the two systems apart.

All that E3 2013 whining did was just halt console growth for 4 years
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Flasbangs posted...

Remember how none of that happened anyway, so now it doesn't matter?

It does matter. It proves that they don't give a shit about gamers and would put all these anti-consumer features into their system if they were allowed to. The Xbone shouldn't have been allowed to sell a single console, Microsoft should have had to rebrand and start over. Yet some idiots ended up still buying the console, proving that humans are fucking idiots

>"don't give a shit about gamers"
>reversed pretty much everything gamers were crying about

My God "gamers" are so fucking annoying at times.
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Burt_Macklin posted...

>"don't give a shit about gamers"
>reversed pretty much everything gamers were crying about

My God "gamers" are so fucking annoying at times.

It's just fanboy nonsense tbh
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green butter posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

green butter posted...

and now the funny thing is that the top selling games are online-only or predominantly played online (Destiny, NBA Live, CoD, GTAV, etc), gamestop is going out of business because people aren't even buying physical games anymore (so no sharing), one of the top uses of consoles is for streaming services, and voice interfaces are the biggest fad in tech today (Siri, Ok Google, Bixby, etc).

gamers acted like babies and the end result is that we have two consoles that are basically gameboxes. there were definitely some problems with the OG Xbox One but at least it had some kind of a vision. idk about you guys but I spend more time watching Netflix and TV and shit these days than actually gaming

This. Xbox One could have been an amazing multimedia console if gamer babies had friends over. Now it's just ok but way better than chromechast and ps4

You guys can't be this dense.....

What's wrong about what I said?

The backlash against the Xbox One was downright silly at points, like when there were people freaking out that people living on nuclear submarines would not be able to play the latest Xbox One games:

https://venturebeat.com/2013/06/13/microsofts-mattrick-doesnt-know-about-living-on-a-submarine-so-we-asked-someone-who-does/

And now when you look at it, a lot of the ideas behind the original Xbox One were pretty much exactly where gaming is headed.

And because of the outrage, gamers demanded that their consoles just be living room boxes that play games, and now here we are, with two nearly identical home consoles that do pretty much nothing different than the PS3/Xbox 360 - multimedia was going to be something to set the two systems apart.

All that E3 2013 whining did was just halt console growth for 4 years

they wanted people to have to connect to internet to play games like witcher 3
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marc55 posted...

they wanted people to have to connect to internet to play games like witcher 3

the 24 hour check thing was really dumb, i agree, and I'm glad it was reverted, but then when you look at the numbers there are 48 million Xbox Live users and 26 million Xbox One sales, so I don't think it's a crazy assumption to make that the vast majority of people playing on Xbox have some sort of internet connection.

It can't be a sizable population of gamers who have no internet access yet are going to rush to buy the latest $500 console, and now in retrospect the vast majority of the top selling games are multiplayer only like Overwatch, Destiny, The Division, Rainbow Six Siege, etc or mostly played online like CoD or Battlefield 1
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marc55 posted...

green butter posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

green butter posted...

and now the funny thing is that the top selling games are online-only or predominantly played online (Destiny, NBA Live, CoD, GTAV, etc), gamestop is going out of business because people aren't even buying physical games anymore (so no sharing), one of the top uses of consoles is for streaming services, and voice interfaces are the biggest fad in tech today (Siri, Ok Google, Bixby, etc).

gamers acted like babies and the end result is that we have two consoles that are basically gameboxes. there were definitely some problems with the OG Xbox One but at least it had some kind of a vision. idk about you guys but I spend more time watching Netflix and TV and shit these days than actually gaming

This. Xbox One could have been an amazing multimedia console if gamer babies had friends over. Now it's just ok but way better than chromechast and ps4

You guys can't be this dense.....

What's wrong about what I said?

The backlash against the Xbox One was downright silly at points, like when there were people freaking out that people living on nuclear submarines would not be able to play the latest Xbox One games:

https://venturebeat.com/2013/06/13/microsofts-mattrick-doesnt-know-about-living-on-a-submarine-so-we-asked-someone-who-does/

And now when you look at it, a lot of the ideas behind the original Xbox One were pretty much exactly where gaming is headed.

And because of the outrage, gamers demanded that their consoles just be living room boxes that play games, and now here we are, with two nearly identical home consoles that do pretty much nothing different than the PS3/Xbox 360 - multimedia was going to be something to set the two systems apart.

All that E3 2013 whining did was just halt console growth for 4 years

they wanted people to have to connect to internet to play games like witcher 3

No. They wanted consoles to make a ping to the internet at least once every 24 hours. They also said if you didn't have access to the internet you could use your phone as a tether to make that ping.
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Burt_Macklin posted...

No. They wanted consoles to make a ping to the internet at least once every 24 hours. They also said if you didn't have access to the internet you could use your phone as a tether to make that ping.

what was supposed to happen if you didn't ping? honestly asking.

this came out during a time where I made a ton of weekend long trips. I remember that being a no no for me at the time, but I don't remember what was supposed to happen if you didn't get it online.
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What's sad is there are still people who think the X1 actually​ does have all that shit.
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pauIie posted...

Burt_Macklin posted...

No. They wanted consoles to make a ping to the internet at least once every 24 hours. They also said if you didn't have access to the internet you could use your phone as a tether to make that ping.

what was supposed to happen if you didn't ping? honestly asking.

this came out during a time where I made a ton of weekend long trips. I remember that being a no no for me at the time, but I don't remember what was supposed to happen if you didn't get it online.

Worst case scenario you could have just turned your smartphone into a wireless hotspot for a few minutes

Edit: didn't realize that was already mentioned in the quote lol
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Blue_Inigo posted...

No sharing games

green butter posted...

(so no sharing)

Not true at all. There's a way to share your digital games with one other person on a different XB1 console. They can download/play all of your digital games and DLC, and you can download/play all of their digital games and DLC, without needing to have the original owner signed in.
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pauIie posted...

Burt_Macklin posted...

No. They wanted consoles to make a ping to the internet at least once every 24 hours. They also said if you didn't have access to the internet you could use your phone as a tether to make that ping.

what was supposed to happen if you didn't ping? honestly asking.

this came out during a time where I made a ton of weekend long trips. I remember that being a no no for me at the time, but I don't remember what was supposed to happen if you didn't get it online.

Probably wouldn't be able to play the game because it wouldn't be able to check your license. The phone thing was supposed to negate the fact that people take their consoles away to places they might not have an internet connection. So I guess if by some slim chance nobody had a phone or service in the deep woods you wouldn't be able to play.
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GallisOTK posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

No sharing games

green butter posted...

(so no sharing)

Not true at all. There's a way to share your digital games with one other person on a different XB1 console. They can download/play all of your digital games and DLC, and you can download/play all of their digital games and DLC, without needing to have the original owner signed in.

I thought the original plan also allowed you to share your digital games with a bunch of friends. I could be wrong about that.
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littlebro07 posted...

Worst case scenario you could have just turned your smartphone into a wireless hotspot for a few minutes

Burt_Macklin posted...

Probably wouldn't be able to play the game because it wouldn't be able to check your license. The phone thing was supposed to negate the fact that people take their consoles away to places they might not have an internet connection. So I guess if by some slim chance nobody had a phone or service in the deep woods you wouldn't be able to play.

okay, you can use your phone. doesn't answer my particular question though.

in the event that you do not get your console online, what was supposed to happen?

edit: you did say you wouldn't be able to play it. would you have to buy another license? or would it just need to check it before you play?
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

AsucaHayashi posted...

Flasbangs posted...

Remember how none of that happened anyway, so now it doesn't matter?

remember if we support them to the arrogant levels of the 360-era, it will definitely happen again?

Uhh, lol, no.

That was a huge PR blunder that they have learned from. They aren't a stupid company. If something big fucks up, they change it for good. Like how the RRoD was fixed with the Slim 360, and when they designed the One, they made 50-fucking-percent of its surface area ventilation, lol. I think it's safe to say MS will be the last to try that DRM stuff again.

"learning" and being "stupid" have literally 0% to do with anything.
they're a business and they're gonna take the path of most profit 100% of the time.

they rushed the original 360 with shitty parts because they wanted people to buy into their console/games/online subscription before the launch from the competition and then take the fallout afterwards when people were already invested.

pretty obvious they couldn't have done the same with xbone or they would have dug themselves into a deeper(and deserved) shit hole than they were already in.
it's pretty much guaranteed that every original feature(for good or worse) had gotten the go ahead to be implemented on account of the fact that you know... they announced it and planned to go ahead with it were it not for the negative press.

that's what the arrogance of success leads to.
just ask sony how they practically got everybody to embrace their online play subscription for ps4.
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pauIie posted...

littlebro07 posted...

Worst case scenario you could have just turned your smartphone into a wireless hotspot for a few minutes

Burt_Macklin posted...

Probably wouldn't be able to play the game because it wouldn't be able to check your license. The phone thing was supposed to negate the fact that people take their consoles away to places they might not have an internet connection. So I guess if by some slim chance nobody had a phone or service in the deep woods you wouldn't be able to play.

okay, you can use your phone. doesn't answer my particular question though.

in the event that you do not get your console online, what was supposed to happen?

edit: you did say you wouldn't be able to play it. would you have to buy another license? or would it just need to check it before you play?

You wouldn't need to buy another that would be insanely stupid. You would just need to do the check in before you could play.
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Burt_Macklin posted...

I thought the original plan also allowed you to share your digital games with a bunch of friends. I could be wrong about that.

Basically, each gamertag and its purchases are tied to a "home console", and you can change your home console up to 3 times per calendar year. The different ways you can share digital games with other accounts besides your own are as follows:

- On the home console of the account who owns a digital game, you can play that game using any account on that console without the account who bought the game needing to be signed in. So your friend can sign in with his account on your Xbox and play the game.
- On a different console, you can play a digital game on any account if you download the account who owns the game and that account is also signed in at the same time. So you can log into your friend's Xbox, download the game, then your friend can sign in with their account and play the game.
- If you and one friend on another console both set each other's consoles as your account's home console (AKA setting up a gameshare), you'll both be able to freely download and play all of each other's digital games as well as your own, as long as one of the accounts involved in the gameshare is logged in. To play one of those digital games with any account besides the two that are gamesharing, you'd have to log in with one of those two.

I gameshare with one of my friends, so he gets the Call of Duty games from me while I get Rocket League and Minecraft from him.
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GallisOTK posted...

Burt_Macklin posted...

I thought the original plan also allowed you to share your digital games with a bunch of friends. I could be wrong about that.

Basically, each gamertag and its purchases are tied to a "home console", and you can change your home console up to 3 times per calendar year. The different ways you can share digital games with other accounts besides your own are as follows:

- On the home console of the account who owns a digital game, you can play that game using any account on that console without the account who bought the game needing to be signed in. So your friend can sign in with his account on your Xbox and play the game.
- On a different console, you can play a digital game on any account if you download the account who owns the game and that account is also signed in at the same time. So you can log into your friend's Xbox, download the game, then your friend can sign in with their account and play the game.
- If you and one friend on another console both set each other's consoles as your account's home console (AKA setting up a gameshare), you'll both be able to freely download and play all of each other's digital games as well as your own, as long as one of the accounts involved in the gameshare is logged in. To play one of those digital games with any account besides the two that are gamesharing, you'd have to log in with one of those two.

I gameshare with one of my friends, so he gets the Call of Duty games from me while I get Rocket League and Minecraft from him.

Yep I do that with my friend as well. I just thought the original plan for the Xbox One allowed for sharing among multiple friends.
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$599.95 US Dollars
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man if they would have just explained it better. those plans don't even sound bad. still iffy on the online thing, but whatever.
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That's how it was originally planned, but the community was less than enthusiastic about that idea. They shortly scrapped it.
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Man, I love how fanboys still defend the extremely anti-consumer practices MS tried to pull with the Xbone. Give me a damn good reason WHY the console needs to ping if you're not using the online services.

My favorite part is when people freaked out over the stuff so they completely reversed it all; then people started bitching that Microsoft were flip floppers and couldn't be trusted. They thought they might just put it all back. And these were all Sonyboos who weren't going to buy it to begin with.