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Solid Sonic
04/12/17 10:26:51 PM
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...I'm in that mood you tend to get into after watching a Star Wars work to argue Anakin Skywalker isn't that evil.
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MonkeyBones23
04/12/17 10:29:53 PM
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Arcvalons
04/12/17 10:30:37 PM
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The younglings


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UnholyMudcrab
04/12/17 10:30:49 PM
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Solid Sonic
04/12/17 10:32:57 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
From my point of view, the Jedi are evil

They're gray. Serving the Republic good or ill.
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RebelElite791
04/12/17 10:33:36 PM
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Solid Sonic posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
From my point of view, the Jedi are evil

They're gray. Serving the Republic good or ill.

What bad things have the Jedi done
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hotwheeler89
04/12/17 10:34:55 PM
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uhkpMxj

He straight up steals pizza. Thats pretty bad.
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littlebro07
04/12/17 10:35:37 PM
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He fucking brutalized those poor Rebel soldiers in that hallway
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Solid Sonic
04/12/17 10:35:44 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Solid Sonic posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
From my point of view, the Jedi are evil

They're gray. Serving the Republic good or ill.

What bad things have the Jedi done

I'm not saying they did anything, it's just a fact of their position. They are at the behest of the Galactic Senate. They aren't protectors of freedom or justice, they just have to act in accordance to the whim of the Senate. It's up to the Senate to use them to maintain civility, democracy, and order in the Republic.
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CommonStar
04/12/17 10:37:27 PM
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I felt the story was kinda just ok, it wasn't like great as everyone was saying. They had some cool characters, but yeah it was pretty much a one-off story.

I did think it was amazing how they were able reconstruct Peter Cushing and a younger Carrie Fisher via CGI. It was impressive.
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XxKrazyChaosxX
04/12/17 10:37:42 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
He fucking brutalized those poor Rebel soldiers in that hallway


He felt threaten by them.
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Swagnificent119
04/12/17 10:41:52 PM
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The Jedi lost their way, but they were not evil.

Anakin murdered friends and children. And for what? Because some clearly evil dude said that he could *maybe* bring back dead people?

And then when that turned out to NOT be true, and he clearly knew he had been manipulated...he just kept on doing bad and evil shit?

Why? What was the point?
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Solid Sonic
04/12/17 10:41:53 PM
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CommonStar posted...
I felt the story was kinda just ok, it wasn't like great as everyone was saying. They had some cool characters, but yeah it was pretty much a one-off story.

I did think it was amazing how they were able reconstruct Peter Cushing and a younger Carrie Fisher via CGI. It was impressive.

I was impressed but simultaneously hit with uncanny valley because of it. They felt poorly mo-capped.
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RebelElite791
04/12/17 10:43:38 PM
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Swagnificent119 posted...
And then when that turned out to NOT be true, and he clearly knew he had been manipulated...he just kept on doing bad and evil shit?

I mean the Dark Side isn't something you can just turn off too easily.
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Solid Sonic
04/12/17 10:45:01 PM
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Swagnificent119 posted...
The Jedi lost their way, but they were not evil.

Anakin murdered friends and children. And for what? Because some clearly evil dude said that he could *maybe* bring back dead people?

And then when that turned out to NOT be true, and he clearly knew he had been manipulated...he just kept on doing bad and evil shit?

Why? What was the point?

That whole "I've come too far" excuse.
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Swagnificent119
04/12/17 10:48:33 PM
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Solid Sonic posted...
Swagnificent119 posted...
The Jedi lost their way, but they were not evil.

Anakin murdered friends and children. And for what? Because some clearly evil dude said that he could *maybe* bring back dead people?

And then when that turned out to NOT be true, and he clearly knew he had been manipulated...he just kept on doing bad and evil shit?

Why? What was the point?

That whole "I've come too far" excuse.


I'm just saying, dude is pretty evil at that point. Maybe if he tried to kill himself or something I could understand the "Oh man, maybe he wasn't really bad" argument.

But like...Star Wars is pretty black and white with this stuff.

(and maybe he did try in comics or something, I dunno I don't read the extra stuff)
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KillerSlaw
04/12/17 11:01:17 PM
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I'll never understand why Anakin just didn't leave the Jedi Order if he hated it so much.
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Solid Sonic
04/12/17 11:03:16 PM
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KillerSlaw posted...
I'll never understand why Anakin just didn't leave the Jedi Order if he hated it so much.

He was inching that way. His problem was the whole "my wife is dying" issue. That's why he fell into the bad crowd.
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Pitlord_Special
04/12/17 11:08:18 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
KillerSlaw posted...
I'll never understand why Anakin just didn't leave the Jedi Order if he hated it so much.


Or why didn't he ask one of them to take him back to see his mom and buy her from that dude?

It seemed like that was kind of the root of his hatred.


Wouldn't be surprised if he did but the jedi order emphasizes emotional detachment and they would refuse to do so
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Arcvalons
04/12/17 11:46:32 PM
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Anakin did plan to leave the Jedi Order as soon as the war was over.
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Dash_Harber
04/12/17 11:51:51 PM
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Things he did;
- Killed children.
- Killed his teachers, unprovoked.
- Lead a genocidal empire.
- Tortured multiple people, including his daughter (despite the fact that he apparently can read minds).
- Was complicit in the creation and use of a weapon that destroyed an entire world and everyone living on it (because some combatants were there).
- Cut his son's hand off.
- Killed Obi-Wan.
- Served a fascist dictator.
- Killed his own officers in emotional outbursts.


I mean, how do you justify all of those things? That's not even including the fact that he killed a ton of combatants arguably for a very evil cause.
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Solid Sonic
04/13/17 10:26:48 AM
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Well, okay, he started off well-meaning but life kicked him in the nuts one too many times. No one besides Padme and Obi-Wan (to a degree, he could have been better too) really cared about him as a person, just as a Jedi.

Qui-Gon could have probably prevented his fall but that's just speculation. The Jedi Order would still have been very indifferent to him with or without Qui-Gon's presence.
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DevsChum
04/13/17 10:33:53 AM
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I was impressed but simultaneously hit with uncanny valley because of it. They felt poorly mo-capped.

This. I thought Tarkin was real at first but what gave him away was the way he moved.

Leia I actually did think was a really impressive recast until my friend had to tell me she wasn't. It's because she didn't move much.
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Solid Sonic
04/13/17 10:36:41 AM
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Leia's face was very shiny. That looked a bit off.
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Were_Wyrm
04/13/17 10:38:46 AM
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Why didn't he just pull the plans out of the guys hand?
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Solid Sonic
04/13/17 10:42:13 AM
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Just think: we could have been watching Star Wars Episode VIII next month.

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DeathByMusic68
04/13/17 11:08:52 AM
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I thought Rogue One was the worst Star Wars movie since AotC
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JJWatt
04/13/17 11:40:24 PM
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You guys are confusing Anakin with Vader

Noobs
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hotwheeler89
04/14/17 2:14:31 AM
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JJWatt posted...
You guys are confusing Anakin with Vader

Noobs

Anakin IS Vader and Vader IS Anakin. Still the same inside as he always was.
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Dash_Harber
04/14/17 2:39:05 AM
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JJWatt posted...
You guys are confusing Anakin with Vader

Noobs


Even if we pretend they are different characters, Anakin still killed a whole lot of people in a hissy fit. Some of which were, you know, children.
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CanuckCowboy
04/14/17 3:03:08 AM
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DeathByMusic68 posted...
I thought Rogue One was the worst Star Wars movie since AotC


So much no. Best movie since the ot imo.
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Solid Sonic
04/14/17 8:15:45 AM
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GOATTHlEF posted...
Shrugged off the reinstatement of slavery when he himself grew up as a slave togetic

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Don't treat your Pokemon like slaves.
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Zanzenburger
04/14/17 9:06:15 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
GOATTHlEF posted...
Shrugged off the reinstatement of slavery when he himself grew up as a slave togetic

syz6kJc

Don't treat your Pokemon like slaves.

I remember that gimmick.
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Veggeta_MAX
04/14/17 9:29:54 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
They are at the behest of the Galactic Senate. They aren't protectors of freedom or justice, they just have to act in accordance to the whim of the Senate. It's up to the Senate to use them to maintain civility, democracy, and order in the Republic.

Oh here we go
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Veggeta_MAX
04/14/17 9:30:57 AM
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Swagnificent119 posted...
And then when that turned out to NOT be true, and he clearly knew he had been manipulated...he just kept on doing bad and evil shit? Why? What was the point?

He was always planning to betray the Emperor though
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RebelElite791
04/14/17 3:10:10 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Swagnificent119 posted...
And then when that turned out to NOT be true, and he clearly knew he had been manipulated...he just kept on doing bad and evil shit? Why? What was the point?

He was always planning to betray the Emperor though

Nope. He had no plans to turn on him until he found out about Luke being alive.
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Veggeta_MAX
04/14/17 3:39:35 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Nope. He had no plans to turn on him until he found out about Luke being alive.

He was always planning to betray him, Luke was just his easy ticket.
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RebelElite791
04/14/17 3:40:37 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Nope. He had no plans to turn on him until he found out about Luke being alive.

He was always planning to betray him, Luke was just his easy ticket.

No, he wasn't.

There is nothing in canon to suggest that. Palpatine is even disappointed in Vader's utter lack of ambition. It is when he finds out that Luke is alive and that Palpatine hid this from him that he decides he's going to overthrow him.
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Veggeta_MAX
04/14/17 3:43:13 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
There is nothing in canon to suggest that.

Except that every Sith lord betrays their master.
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RebelElite791
04/14/17 3:44:45 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
There is nothing in canon to suggest that.

Except that every Sith lord betrays their master.

Jesus Christ did you even read my post?
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littlebro07
04/14/17 4:57:03 PM
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DeathByMusic68 posted...
I thought Rogue One was the worst Star Wars movie since AotC



What the FUCK
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RebelElite791
04/14/17 4:58:32 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
DeathByMusic68 posted...
I thought Rogue One was the worst Star Wars movie since AotC



What the FUCK

To be fair there's only been 3 SW movies since AOTC.
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ledbowman
04/14/17 5:00:34 PM
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In Episode 3 he straight executes all those guys on Mustafar.
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Solid Sonic
04/15/17 7:29:39 AM
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ledbowman posted...
In Episode 3 he straight executes all those guys on Mustafar.

Technically they deserved it. If they were ever captured by the Republic they'd have been tried as traitors anyway.
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Dash_Harber
04/17/17 2:41:04 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
Technically they deserved it. If they were ever captured by the Republic they'd have been tried as traitors anyway.


That is a really important distinction when you are talking about executions.
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Zack_Attackv1
04/17/17 2:54:38 AM
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