Current Events > If SJWs support equality, then why don't they support affirmative action?

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Conservative professors are discriminated against so why shouldn't we support Affirmative Action to make sure they get preferential hiring in academia?

https://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2013/06/10/suspicions-confirmed-academia-shutting-out-conservative-professors-n1616406
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Affirmative action doesn't apply to groups that you opt into.
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Anteaterking posted...

Affirmative action doesn't apply to groups that you opt into.

This, basically. You don't choose to be white, or black, or Asian, or Hispanic.
But you choose to be conservative, or liberal, or Catholic, or atheist, or whatever else.

Does it make it fair to discriminate over political stance? Not really. But that is why it is different than affirmative action.
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Anteaterking posted...

Affirmative action doesn't apply to groups that you opt into.

That's not really true at all though.

There are many cases of people opting into certain racial groups in order to get better treatment.

Multiracial people often "opt" into preferred ethnic groups with which they only have very tenuous connections in order to get Affirmative Action.

I know a Jewish kid whose family comes from Morocco who "opted" into the Hispanic category because his family originated in Spain and were expelled in the Reconquista. That was 1492.

Many multiracial applicants opt into the black or Native American categories because they might have 1/4 or less ancestry from that group.
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jenningsnash313 posted...

Anteaterking posted...

Affirmative action doesn't apply to groups that you opt into.

This, basically. You don't choose to be white, or black, or Asian, or Hispanic.
But you choose to be conservative, or liberal, or Catholic, or atheist, or whatever else.

Does it make it fair to discriminate over political stance? Not really. But that is why it is different than affirmative action.

There is evidence that a conservative mindset is to some extent genetic.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/can-your-genes-predict-whether-youll-be-a-conservative-or-a-liberal/280677/
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Hah, group that cries about affirmative action startled to find that it isn't included in affirmative action. Because they don't understand what the the fuck it is about.

More at 11.
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Kineth posted...

Hah, group that cries about affirmative action startled to find that it isn't included in affirmative action. Because they don't understand what the the fuck it is about.

More at 11.

I'm not a conservative
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Why is it a choice to be conservative but not a choice to be gay?

Saloonist posted...

Kineth posted...

Hah, group that cries about affirmative action startled to find that it isn't included in affirmative action. Because they don't understand what the the fuck it is about.

More at 11.

I'm not a conservative

Don't recall saying you were.
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Saloonist posted...

That's not really true at all though.

There are many cases of people opting into certain racial groups in order to get better treatment.

Multiracial people often "opt" into preferred ethnic groups with which they only have very tenuous connections in order to get Affirmative Action.

I know a Jewish kid whose family comes from Morocco who "opted" into the Hispanic category because his family originated in Spain and were expelled in the Reconquista. That was 1492.

Many multiracial applicants opt into the black or Native American categories because they might have 1/4 or less ancestry from that group.

They didn't opt into being qualified. They either are qualified and choose to say so or they are lying.
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Kineth posted...

Saloonist posted...

Kineth posted...

Hah, group that cries about affirmative action startled to find that it isn't included in affirmative action. Because they don't understand what the the fuck it is about.

More at 11.

I'm not a conservative

Don't recall saying you were.

So who specifically were you referring to?
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Anteaterking posted...

Saloonist posted...

That's not really true at all though.

There are many cases of people opting into certain racial groups in order to get better treatment.

Multiracial people often "opt" into preferred ethnic groups with which they only have very tenuous connections in order to get Affirmative Action.

I know a Jewish kid whose family comes from Morocco who "opted" into the Hispanic category because his family originated in Spain and were expelled in the Reconquista. That was 1492.

Many multiracial applicants opt into the black or Native American categories because they might have 1/4 or less ancestry from that group.

They didn't opt into being qualified. They either are qualified and choose to say so or they are lying.

I'm a little confused by your wording here
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You posted an article, didn't you?
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Kineth posted...

You posted an article, didn't you?

The article didnt call for affirmative action for conservatives unless im mistaken
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Saloonist posted...

Kineth posted...

You posted an article, didn't you?

The article didnt call for affirmative action for conservatives unless im mistaken

It does in a different way but...

I guess I called you a conservative then. LOL
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Saloonist posted...

I'm a little confused by your wording here

If your Jewish friend didn't qualify as Hispanic and checked it anyway, he's lying.

If your Jewish friend does qualify as Hispanic and checks the box, he's not "opting in" to being Hispanic. His racial background didn't change at all.
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Anteaterking posted...

Saloonist posted...

I'm a little confused by your wording here

If your Jewish friend didn't qualify as Hispanic and checked it anyway, he's lying.

If your Jewish friend does qualify as Hispanic and checks the box, he's not "opting in" to being Hispanic. His racial background didn't change at all.

Who's to say he is or isn't though? There are very few definitions for these things. So he made a choice. Plenty of biracial people make these choices everyday. Being a conservative however, might turn out to actually be a genetic predisposition.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Saloonist posted...

Anteaterking posted...

Saloonist posted...

I'm a little confused by your wording here

If your Jewish friend didn't qualify as Hispanic and checked it anyway, he's lying.

If your Jewish friend does qualify as Hispanic and checks the box, he's not "opting in" to being Hispanic. His racial background didn't change at all.

Who's to say he is or isn't though? There are very few definitions for these things. So he made a choice. Plenty of biracial people make these choices everyday. Being a conservative however, might turn out to actually be a genetic predisposition.

lmfao

They're choosing to be Hispanic but forced into conservatism?

1. Hispanic isnt even a race, so its much more fluid than even concepts like Black or White.

2. There is evidence that conservatism has a biological basis. There's an argument to be made that you choose less to be a conservative because it's wired into your brain than someone does choose to be Hispanic, which is a very fluid social concept.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Repeating something stupid doesn't make it less stupid.

Are you going to dispute anything about it? Should be easy if it's stupid.
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Saloonist posted...

2. There is evidence that conservatism has a biological basis. There's an argument to be made that you choose less to be a conservative because it's wired into your brain than someone does choose to be Hispanic, which is a very fluid social concept.

Post this evidence. And please clarify what you mean by "conservative" in the case where you believe that being conservative has a biological basis.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Saloonist posted...

2. There is evidence that conservatism has a biological basis. There's an argument to be made that you choose less to be a conservative because it's wired into your brain than someone does choose to be Hispanic, which is a very fluid social concept.

Post this evidence. And please clarify what you mean by "conservative" in the case where you believe that being conservative has a biological basis.

I posted an article about it above. They use conservative in a very literal sense, ie, being resistant to change, which in many ways does define conservative politics. They see how political dispositions can be traced back to early childhood personality traits. And personality of course has a large biological basis.

Im not saying the evidence is absolutely conclusive. Im just responding to assertions stated as fact in this topic that "you don't choose to be Hispanic", which is not nearly as clear cut as people want you to believe, or that you do choose to be conservative, which is questionable itself.
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There's more about the link between biology and political orientation here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_political_orientation
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