Board 8 > Mercenaries 4 Mafia Topic 7: If You Want Peacetime, Prepare For Wartime

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I would say Ben and Jaded are linking each other but I would save Jaded for a lynch later down the road.

If you guys want my opinion I say lynch me, then ben, then JB, then death, if we havent won lynch the scummiest player or Jaded which ever seems the most plausible.
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Ehhhh. I guess? It's not really on par with the other flavors roles I gotta say.

I feel like it's more a role JC would give himself than accurate to an unbiased observer. JC's collapse was more due to his ineptitude and more importantly lack of endurance more than the results of any conspiracy. Given Kanzaris is on the scumteam and is probably part of the only faction who really helped conspire against JC in any sort of limited fashion (I will stress limited) yeah I just don't really buy it much. If we're lynching a non-vanilla he's my top pick based on the role alone-- but it also feels like something that would eventually prove itself so maybe low priority.

I would like a bit of flavor elaboration though.
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@Jaded_Eye can you ask for clarification on you role? Ask Gravy what happens if you target a vanilla. How would that vanilla be seen by a tracker, because that's basically what Ben is claiming isn't it?
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Okay IGCD, I like your responses XD

Also I cannot keep this up because I know nothing about mercs or what player would fit with that role I claimed.

I'm Articuno2000, Town Vanilla. It says I was bullied around a lot, tried to stick to a themed team, but eventually distanced myself from the game because I was treated badly.

Initially the hope really was that Jaded was mafia and claimed Vanilla. But I dont think he is anymore, so I just tried to test IGCD since I've played with him the most here and felt like I could get the most out of it.

##Unvote

Also I'm really shocked no one pointed out the contradiction. I went for that to see who would look towny by speaking up about it. But Jaded claims to have targeted IGCD last night, and he did not move, so while we DID claim to target him different nights, it still seems fishy. Idk, I thought someone would point that out
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Also I would like Benjamin to actually claim. Not sure why that wasn't done.
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Oh. Okay.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Okay IGCD, I like your responses XD

Also I cannot keep this up because I know nothing about mercs or what player would fit with that role I claimed.

I'm Articuno2000, Town Vanilla. It says I was bullied around a lot, tried to stick to a themed team, but eventually distanced myself from the game because I was treated badly.

Initially the hope really was that Jaded was mafia and claimed Vanilla. But I dont think he is anymore, so I just tried to test IGCD since I've played with him the most here and felt like I could get the most out of it.

##Unvote

Also I'm really shocked no one pointed out the contradiction. I went for that to see who would look towny by speaking up about it. But Jaded claims to have targeted IGCD last night, and he did not move, so while we DID claim to target him different nights, it still seems fishy. Idk, I thought someone would point that out

I didn't realize you guys targeted me different nights. I am sick as fuck right now so I was just skimming to catch up. I saw that you both claimed to target me, I thought it was the same night so I was curious how Jaded's role worked with a "tracker/prosty/whatever."
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benjamin3740 posted...

Okay IGCD, I like your responses XD

Also I cannot keep this up because I know nothing about mercs or what player would fit with that role I claimed.

I'm Articuno2000, Town Vanilla. It says I was bullied around a lot, tried to stick to a themed team, but eventually distanced myself from the game because I was treated badly.

Initially the hope really was that Jaded was mafia and claimed Vanilla. But I dont think he is anymore, so I just tried to test IGCD since I've played with him the most here and felt like I could get the most out of it.

Unvote

Also I'm really shocked no one pointed out the contradiction. I went for that to see who would look towny by speaking up about it. But Jaded claims to have targeted IGCD last night, and he did not move, so while we DID claim to target him different nights, it still seems fishy. Idk, I thought someone would point that out

Wait, wtf?

If Jaded would have claimed vanilla he was Mafia, but now you claim you didn't even scan him, so what were you basing this on?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Okay IGCD, I like your responses XD

Also I cannot keep this up because I know nothing about mercs or what player would fit with that role I claimed.

I'm Articuno2000, Town Vanilla. It says I was bullied around a lot, tried to stick to a themed team, but eventually distanced myself from the game because I was treated badly.

Initially the hope really was that Jaded was mafia and claimed Vanilla. But I dont think he is anymore, so I just tried to test IGCD since I've played with him the most here and felt like I could get the most out of it.

Unvote

Also I'm really shocked no one pointed out the contradiction. I went for that to see who would look towny by speaking up about it. But Jaded claims to have targeted IGCD last night, and he did not move, so while we DID claim to target him different nights, it still seems fishy. Idk, I thought someone would point that out

Wait, wtf?

If Jaded would have claimed vanilla he was Mafia, but now you claim you didn't even scan him, so what were you basing this on?

Oh no, he wouldnt be mafia automatically. I'm just saying I had a good feeling he was mafia, and that I was gonna try and claim a "scan" on him and see if he cracked. Being new and all. But since he didnt claim vanilla, I kinda believe his role
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benjamin3740 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Okay IGCD, I like your responses XD

Also I cannot keep this up because I know nothing about mercs or what player would fit with that role I claimed.

I'm Articuno2000, Town Vanilla. It says I was bullied around a lot, tried to stick to a themed team, but eventually distanced myself from the game because I was treated badly.

Initially the hope really was that Jaded was mafia and claimed Vanilla. But I dont think he is anymore, so I just tried to test IGCD since I've played with him the most here and felt like I could get the most out of it.

Unvote

Also I'm really shocked no one pointed out the contradiction. I went for that to see who would look towny by speaking up about it. But Jaded claims to have targeted IGCD last night, and he did not move, so while we DID claim to target him different nights, it still seems fishy. Idk, I thought someone would point that out

Wait, wtf?

If Jaded would have claimed vanilla he was Mafia, but now you claim you didn't even scan him, so what were you basing this on?

Oh no, he wouldnt be mafia automatically. I'm just saying I had a good feeling he was mafia, and that I was gonna try and claim a "scan" on him and see if he cracked. Being new and all. But since he didnt claim vanilla, I kinda believe his role

But more importantly, I couldn't use my plan on him since he didnt claim vanilla. That was what I meant to convey
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I didn't even see the contradiction as such but I didn't really buy that claim. Mostly because you getting something game relevant with both of your actions seemed too convenient. Which I guess is sorta what you meant by contradiction I guess. That's why I started by asking for the actual claim.

I do actually buy it was a dumb gambit though.

Anyway who all hasn't claimed at this point? Just MZero, right?
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Boring.

But IGCD had a way towner reaction than Ben
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Leo3L posted...

Boring.

But IGCD had a way towner reaction than Ben

Than John
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

LOL. Okay, this is interesting! I expected if Jaded was scum then he'd come in and claim vanilla real fast. But since he did not, it turns out i can vouch for him! HOWEVER, while ever so patiently waiting, I struck some unexpected gold.

My role lets me target a person at night and see if they moved. Jaded did in fact move on night 2... BUT, I targeted IGCD Night 1. He DID move. He is not vanilla!

##Unvote

##Vote: IGCD

I don't know why you are trying to go 1 for 1 here but ok, lynch me then lynch him next.

Also, all I needed was this post to be pretty dang sure IGCD is town
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@MZero11 please claim and complete the set!
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Yeah that was my worst vanilla fake claim ever. >.> Mainly because I didn't know the flavor this time, so I wasn't really invested in keeping it going
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Btw, is Articuno = Arti?
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benjamin3740 posted...

my worst vanilla fake claim ever.

!
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Honestly post 51 is what sold me on IGCD likely being town though. Seems like a good way to react. That's probably what I'd do if a scum was suiciding into me-- the suggested lynch path made sense to me too.

Also I don't think MZero should necessarily have to claim unless he feels like it adds information.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

my worst vanilla fake claim ever.

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LOL
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Leo3L posted...

@MZero11 please claim and complete the set!

Mewtwo59, Vanilla

apparently I was part of the Meeting Room but I was irrelevant to it and I ticked off FFD and DC
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That added no information you damn fool.
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Lopen posted...

That added no information you damn fool.

Well LEO used the mention feature and you didn't so I claimed before I saw your post!
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Fuck it I say we lynch Mzero just for not reading everything before he posts, that'll teach him.
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I shall ever hate the mention feature.

All your claim did was give scum information. Whatever. We don't need a cop to win. One of the scum players claimed miller anyway, and then of course there's a godfather there, probably Leo.

Imo likely remaining scum team is

Leo
Scarechan
Oddity

Probably in that order. Admin team probably gets an extra vote that anyone can use to represent the admin tiebreaker, and they just used it to fabricate a fakeclaim. Alternatively an admin could be a double voter-- that'd probably be less stupid and exploitable by dumb tactics like... THIS...

Now I don't know if this is bad form but to test my theory Leo should remove his second vote and then everyone should try to doublevote someone arbitrary and see if it registers on the logs.

To dummyproof it I HOPE gravy made someone need to be delegated during night if the second vote is malleable, but you know, I ain't above abusing the system if it's there to be abused HAVE SOME LOOPHOLES GRAVY !!

Could elaborate on why I think these are the scum if needed-- think I made the case on Leo already.

Scare meanwhile has been mostly unhelpful and with Drakeryn's role being as it is I have my doubts that Dante would be an outright town role-- doubly so because Ulti made no mention of Drak scanning as scum, and Drak would be scummier than Dante being closer to an admin in nature. He also was too willing to accept the idea that there'd be two millers.

Oddity just seems least convincing of the vanilla claims to me and least helpful claimed vanilla in general. Honestly with Survivor + Doublevoter maybe a 4 scum setup is viable though.
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You must be as bored as I am
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Pretty excited actually. This'll do wonders for my street cred.
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What I was hoping was someone would claim the double night action affect on Eaed, because I was pretty sure that was a scum option. Why would Town target Eaed when he looked so scummy N1?I was hoping scum would be bad enough to claim that to try to make themselves look town but they wised up. Unless it was a random schizo affect for VI, which is what I assume rn Jesus means.
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One of the plan options is that two plan options take place next week. Shame VI died so soon his role sounds awesome.
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I'm a little irked that multiple people are calling me scum since I instantanteously called out JB's claim making no sense from his D1 perspective and would have told him so on the scum board but "wifom" I guess
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Votals (#79)
[4] Johnbobb - Lopen, Tony, Death, eaed
[1] Lopen - (Leo), (Leo2), (Oddity), (Tony), Johnbobb
[1] Death - MZero
[0] IGCD - (Ben)
[0] Oddity - (Tony)
[0] eaed - (Tony)
[0] Jaded - (Ben), (Leo), (Leo2)

7 to lynch day ends in about 11 hours 15 minutes
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I don't think it's wifom at all. Would make more sense that you just didn't look through every potential fakeclaim and discuss them beforehand. You know, like most scumboards I've been on in my day.
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That's why I'm insulted. You can't be terrible scum AND bus your entire team if you hope to win.

Scare claiming miller after Ben "claimed" miller doesn't really buy him any points since scum would know it doesn't match the flavour split.

Also slight consideration - we don't appear to actually have a cop. I could see scum not having a godfather and deciding miller was safe to claim.
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Also we've already established that Kanzaris was willing to fakeclaim something that you could counterclaim to make your role more credible-- I dunno whose idea that was, probably Kanzaris's, but that was probably the biggest blunder.

Flushing out claims en masse kinda plays to your agenda too-- if you're "confirmed town" due to Scum not possibly being able to have a doublevoter, the only way to deconfirm you is with power roles. Mass claims = you can mow them down before you get found out.
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So do you think that, despite me having the audacity to think you're scum, that my scare theory might still have merit then?
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Lopen posted...

So do you think that, despite me having the audacity to think you're scum, that my scare theory might still have merit then?

Oh, I don't actually take that horrendous afront to my dignity personally. I think your Scare theory is likely accurate.
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I would still like someone to attempt to double vote while your vote isn't assigned. Johnbobb if you could do that that would be awesome it would save us a lot of headache.
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So I am half tempted to believe Jaded just because of the silly way his role is named because that seems to be the norm with what gravy is doing with the roles with just myself and RNGesus as examples.
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But scum also has weirdo renamed roles
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Do you think it's likely Jaded_Eye has a role called BADMIN Conspiracy Target
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I've never liked EAD's role claim. He's the one out of the power claims that I don't trust. Also, @eaedwards6400, you never explained to us how it works if you are night killed.
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Leo you have nothing to lose to unvote your second vote, and let everyone else make a second vote.
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sorry all
been playing a lot of Persona5
dungeons kicking my ass

annoyed to see one less confirmed scum, and I dont feel anyone is cleared from this
oh well, JB must die
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Leo you have nothing to lose to unvote your second vote, and let everyone else make a second vote.

I agree there's nothing to lose, but this is the weirdest thing.

What exactly does it prove either way?
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Leo's already unvoted. I'll just make a second vote that doesn't count here so we can remove me from the mix if we all decide to do it later.

##Vote: Johnbobb

Also the cool thing about Eaed's role is that if he's not lying he's super useful to have around and lynch to clear him. Basically if you have it down to either him or another guy as scum, you can force one guy to lynch him with the agreement that Eaed poison the suspicious guy when the lynch goes off. Kinda requires timing though (or to be done before do or die) as the poison target can quickly jump off the vote and screw you.

I would like to hear how it exactly it works at night in any case. But for now I trust his claim because it's a no win role for scum to fakeclaim.
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as long as we dont forget to actually test him
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It doesn't specify. It says When you die you pick the player you poison and it will be noted in the flip. Then it says like all twilight abilities you have a half hour from deadline. So I wonder if it is only a lynch ability.
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BTW if we do actually do the double vote test thing (which I think is probably not the case but it'd be hilarious if it was) either all group the votes on one guy or vote a guy you already have a vote on. Don't wanna make the voting records too hard to decipher later.
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Er sorry I think the syntax was

##Vote2: Johnbobb
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Lopen posted...

Leo's already unvoted. I'll just make a second vote that doesn't count here so we can remove me from the mix if we all decide to do it later.

##Vote: Johnbobb

Also the cool thing about Eaed's role is that if he's not lying he's super useful to have around and lynch to clear him. Basically if you have it down to either him or another guy as scum, you can force one guy to lynch him with the agreement that Eaed poison the suspicious guy when the lynch goes off. Kinda requires timing though (or to be done before do or die) as the poison target can quickly jump off the vote and screw you.

I would like to hear how it exactly it works at night in any case. But for now I trust his claim because it's a no win role for scum to fakeclaim.

Shouldn't you have a "vote2" vote
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