Board 8 > Hillary on why she lost to Trump

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OrangeCrush980 04/08/17 8:28:57 AM #51:	monolith_blue posted... Hillary was shown (granted via the hacked emails) to be the establishment candidate. The DNC schemed behind the scenes to sink her opponent that had extensive social networking support. Trump was the outsider that the RNC didn't want. The RNC was very public about not wanting him and did things in full view of the public to sink him. The lesson: The public doesn't like the establishment pulling strings. So you voted for Wikileaks, right? --- 'I am strong... I am wise... I am handsome... And I am right! Always! More than anybody!' - Narshen, Fire Emblem: Sword of Seals http://i.imgur.com/ASJqROf.gif <cite>OrangeCrush980 posted [p:876785083] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>monolith_blue posted...</cite> <quote>Hillary was shown (granted via the hacked emails) to be the establishment candidate. The DNC schemed behind the scenes to sink her opponent that had extensive social networking support. Trump was the outsider that the RNC didn't want. The RNC was very public about not wanting him and did things in full view of the public to sink him. The lesson: The public doesn't like the establishment pulling strings.</quote> So you voted for Wikileaks, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 04/08/17 8:38:13 AM #52:	Metal_DK posted... Hillary has always had a hard time appealing to working class white men. considering she lost 53% of the white woman vote too, she has a hard time appealing period. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:876785318] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>Metal_DK posted...</cite> <quote>Hillary has always had a hard time appealing to working class white men. </quote> considering she lost 53% of the white woman vote too, she has a hard time appealing period.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 04/08/17 8:51:16 AM #53:	Kenri posted... Looking at who voted for her and who didn't, it was probably more racism than any of these. Comments like this are why I think conservatives were annoyed enough to get out and vote in droves. --- Ulti was right <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:876785659] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote>Looking at who voted for her and who didn't, it was probably more racism than any of these. </quote> Comments like this are why I think conservatives were annoyed enough to get out and vote in droves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/08/17 8:53:13 AM #54:	Kenri posted... ExThaNemesis posted... "shrill bitch" is somehow an unacceptable gendered misogynistic attack says the group of people that have been guffawing over "tiny hands" "orange" and "fake hair" for six months I mean, none of the latter are misogynistic or even gendered. Where's the hypocrisy? Yeah. Donald Trump has proven time and time again to be a self-centered, vain asshole, and what you cited are examples of things specifically regarding him as an individual (with the hair and tiny hands being things he has a personal history of commenting on.) "Shrill" is one of those words that exposes a double standard in how women are viewed in positions of power. A man can yell and scream and bellow, and unless he loses his goddamn mind to the point of looking like a crazy person (Howard Dean), this is accepted as "passion." But women like Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren or Carly Fiorina immediately get cast in a negative light and called "shrill" when THEY speak up, because it reassures those pre-existing biases that women who speak up are bitches, and your average person doesn't want to deal with that. Hence Donald Trump's "nasty woman" comment during the debate when Hillary wasn't doing anything especially nasty (especially in comparison to the things HE'D said in that debate.) --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876785722] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ExThaNemesis posted...</cite> <quote>"shrill bitch" is somehow an unacceptable gendered misogynistic attack says the group of people that have been guffawing over "tiny hands" "orange" and "fake hair" for six months</quote> I mean, none of the latter are misogynistic or even gendered. Where's the hypocrisy?</quote> Yeah. Donald Trump has proven time and time again to be a self-centered, vain asshole, and what you cited are examples of things specifically regarding him as an individual (with the hair and tiny hands being things he has a personal history of commenting on.) "Shrill" is one of those words that exposes a double standard in how women are viewed in positions of power. A man can yell and scream and bellow, and unless he loses his goddamn mind to the point of looking like a crazy person (Howard Dean), this is accepted as "passion." But women like Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren or Carly Fiorina immediately get cast in a negative light and called "shrill" when THEY speak up, because it reassures those pre-existing biases that women who speak up are bitches, and your average person doesn't want to deal with that. Hence Donald Trump's "nasty woman" comment during the debate when Hillary wasn't doing anything especially nasty (especially in comparison to the things HE'D said in that debate.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 04/08/17 8:58:19 AM #55:	nah, shrill just refers to the way the voice sounds. there are certain voices and mannerisms that are annoying to hear from women, there are certain voices and mannerisms that are annoying to hear from men. hillary has just about always sat in that camp and the more artificial she's become the worse it's gotten. she's just got a nasal, nagging voice that somehow still sounds fake. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:876785876] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote>nah, shrill just refers to the way the voice sounds. there are certain voices and mannerisms that are annoying to hear from women, there are certain voices and mannerisms that are annoying to hear from men. hillary has just about always sat in that camp and the more artificial she's become the worse it's gotten. she's just got a nasal, nagging voice that somehow still sounds fake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/08/17 9:02:05 AM #56:	Wanglicious posted... nah, shrill just refers to the way the voice sounds. there are certain voices and mannerisms that are annoying to hear from women, there are certain voices and mannerisms that are annoying to hear from men. hillary has just about always sat in that camp and the more artificial she's become the worse it's gotten. she's just got a nasal, nagging voice that somehow still sounds fake. I'm aware of the dictionary definition of "shrill", Wang. The point was more that "shrill" is the only way one ever hears complaints over how a politician's voice sounds, and it's much more likely to apply to women, which is convenient given how loud and blustery politicians are in general. It's not JUST Hillary, as I pointed out in my post. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876786004] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>nah, shrill just refers to the way the voice sounds. there are certain voices and mannerisms that are annoying to hear from women, there are certain voices and mannerisms that are annoying to hear from men. hillary has just about always sat in that camp and the more artificial she's become the worse it's gotten. she's just got a nasal, nagging voice that somehow still sounds fake.</quote> I'm aware of the dictionary definition of "shrill", Wang. The point was more that "shrill" is the only way one ever hears complaints over how a politician's voice sounds, and it's much more likely to apply to women, which is convenient given how loud and blustery politicians are in general. It's not JUST Hillary, as I pointed out in my post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 04/08/17 9:12:41 AM #57:	shrill with hillary honestly isn't much of a dictionary definition, so i'm not sure why you mention that. nothing i said there would fit the dictionary definition, her voice honestly isn't that high pitched. it just hits the right tones that people immediately think of in a shrill person. "there's something about her voice that's hurting my ears and sounds awful" more or less. she can be high pitched but that's not really where she grates the most in her monotone and loud-yet-still-flat voice. people complain about when men speak too, common one of guys sounding "too gay" for example. but that said, issues of pitch would naturally affect women more since... they tend to be higher in pitch. nasaly too. nagging tends to be more of a "motherly" thing, especially things like jewish mothers (and for reference, that stereotype is totally on point). these all tend to be female oriented so of course they'd come up with female candidates more. you'd have to look for male speech patterns, things that are fatherly, etc to find the equivalent male counterparts. as for the other examples, warren hasn't gotten it nearly as much. florina just plain sounded dumb and out of her field, the same goes for plenty of others when that part of the ticket was going on. hillary meanwhile has constantly, repeatedly had it and if you listen to her over the years the worst aspects of her voice have been exactly the ones accentuated. she at one had a deeper, smoother voice, with a southern accent. now it's like this plastic voice. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:876786301] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote>shrill with hillary honestly isn't much of a dictionary definition, so i'm not sure why you mention that. nothing i said there would fit the dictionary definition, her voice honestly isn't that high pitched. it just hits the right tones that people immediately think of in a shrill person. "there's something about her voice that's hurting my ears and sounds awful" more or less. she can be high pitched but that's not really where she grates the most in her monotone and loud-yet-still-flat voice. people complain about when men speak too, common one of guys sounding "too gay" for example. but that said, issues of pitch would naturally affect women more since... they tend to be higher in pitch. nasaly too. nagging tends to be more of a "motherly" thing, especially things like jewish mothers (and for reference, that stereotype is totally on point). these all tend to be female oriented so of course they'd come up with female candidates more. you'd have to look for male speech patterns, things that are fatherly, etc to find the equivalent male counterparts. as for the other examples, warren hasn't gotten it nearly as much. florina just plain sounded dumb and out of her field, the same goes for plenty of others when that part of the ticket was going on. hillary meanwhile has constantly, repeatedly had it and if you listen to her over the years the worst aspects of her voice have been exactly the ones accentuated. she at one had a deeper, smoother voice, with a southern accent. now it's like this plastic voice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/08/17 9:16:31 AM #58:	Wanglicious posted... shrill with hillary honestly isn't much of a dictionary definition, so i'm not sure why you mention that. nothing i said there would fit the dictionary definition, her voice honestly isn't that high pitched. it just hits the right tones that people immediately think of in a shrill person. "there's something about her voice that's hurting my ears and sounds awful" more or less. she can be high pitched but that's not really where she grates the most in her monotone and loud-yet-still-flat voice. people complain about when men speak too, common one of guys sounding "too gay" for example. but that said, issues of pitch would naturally affect women more since... they tend to be higher in pitch. as for the other examples, warren hasn't gotten it nearly as much. florina just plain sounded dumb and out of her field, the same goes for plenty of others when that part of the ticket was going on. hillary meanwhile has constantly, repeatedly had it and if you listen to her over the years the worst aspects of her voice have been exactly the ones accentuated. she at one had a deeper, smoother voice, with a southern accent. now it's like this plastic voice. Exactly my point. Also, Warren hasn't gotten it as much because she hasn't warranted direct attacks quite as much. It's definitely increasing now that she's getting somewhat of a push as "the face of the Democratic party". And Fiorina, it's kinda hard to say she sounded dumb and out of her field when Donald Fucking Trump won the presidency. For all her flubs, Carly Fiorina had quite a few gendered attacks leveled against her that none of the 16 male candidates received. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876786410] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>shrill with hillary honestly isn't much of a dictionary definition, so i'm not sure why you mention that. nothing i said there would fit the dictionary definition, her voice honestly isn't that high pitched. it just hits the right tones that people immediately think of in a shrill person. "there's something about her voice that's hurting my ears and sounds awful" more or less. she can be high pitched but that's not really where she grates the most in her monotone and loud-yet-still-flat voice. people complain about when men speak too, common one of guys sounding "too gay" for example. but that said, issues of pitch would naturally affect women more since... they tend to be higher in pitch. as for the other examples, warren hasn't gotten it nearly as much. florina just plain sounded dumb and out of her field, the same goes for plenty of others when that part of the ticket was going on. hillary meanwhile has constantly, repeatedly had it and if you listen to her over the years the worst aspects of her voice have been exactly the ones accentuated. she at one had a deeper, smoother voice, with a southern accent. now it's like this plastic voice.</quote> Exactly my point. Also, Warren hasn't gotten it as much because she hasn't warranted direct attacks quite as much. It's definitely increasing now that she's getting somewhat of a push as "the face of the Democratic party". And Fiorina, it's kinda hard to say she sounded dumb and out of her field when Donald Fucking Trump won the presidency. For all her flubs, Carly Fiorina had quite a few gendered attacks leveled against her that none of the 16 male candidates received.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 04/08/17 9:17:23 AM #59:	I have heard more people say Howard Dean has a shrill voice than I have ever heard say Hillary has a shrill voice. And maybe people wouldn't criticize Hillary when she would "speak up" and call her names if she spoke with any sort of conviction for her entire campaign. Because say what you will about Trump, and say what you will about how motivations, but at least he made it sound like he was fighting for someone and something. Hillary only ever sounded like she was fighting for herself and people see through that crap. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:876786431] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote>I have heard more people say Howard Dean has a shrill voice than I have ever heard say Hillary has a shrill voice. And maybe people wouldn't criticize Hillary when she would "speak up" and call her names if she spoke with any sort of conviction for her entire campaign. Because say what you will about Trump, and say what you will about how motivations, but at least he made it sound like he was fighting for someone and something. Hillary only ever sounded like she was fighting for herself and people see through that crap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/08/17 9:20:40 AM #60:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... I have heard more people say Howard Dean has a shrill voice than I have ever heard say Hillary has a shrill voice. And maybe people wouldn't criticize Hillary when she would "speak up" and call her names if she spoke with any sort of conviction for her entire campaign. Because say what you will about Trump, and say what you will about how motivations, but at least he made it sound like he was fighting for someone and something. Hillary only ever sounded like she was fighting for herself and people see through that crap. In your opinion. I admit that Hillary came off as false in the first two debates, but that was when numbers were close and she had to fight the negatives associated with a woman defying gender roles and fighting for a leadership position. That third debate, after the "grab her by the pussy" video and Donald utterly blew up in debate two, Hillary sounded sincere and got to elucidate her positions rather than having to stay on the defensive so as not to offend any voters. Of course, that's right when her poll numbers started to drop...so yeah. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876786540] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote>I have heard more people say Howard Dean has a shrill voice than I have ever heard say Hillary has a shrill voice. And maybe people wouldn't criticize Hillary when she would "speak up" and call her names if she spoke with any sort of conviction for her entire campaign. Because say what you will about Trump, and say what you will about how motivations, but at least he made it sound like he was fighting for someone and something. Hillary only ever sounded like she was fighting for herself and people see through that crap.</quote> In your opinion. I admit that Hillary came off as false in the first two debates, but that was when numbers were close and she had to fight the negatives associated with a woman defying gender roles and fighting for a leadership position. That third debate, after the "grab her by the pussy" video and Donald utterly blew up in debate two, Hillary sounded sincere and got to elucidate her positions rather than having to stay on the defensive so as not to offend any voters. Of course, that's right when her poll numbers started to drop...so yeah.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 04/08/17 9:21:44 AM #61:	...your point is that it doesn't fit the dictionary definition of shrill but reminds people of a shrill voice because it's annoying, grating, and hurts a person's ears due to the way her voice and mannerism is? that's your point? that people use the wrong word to describe how annoying her voice is? that's incredibly petty. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:876786581] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote>...your point is that it doesn't fit the dictionary definition of shrill but reminds people of a shrill voice because it's annoying, grating, and hurts a person's ears due to the way her voice and mannerism is? that's your point? that people use the wrong word to describe how annoying her voice is? that's incredibly petty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/08/17 9:23:11 AM #62:	Wanglicious posted... ...your point is that it doesn't fit the dictionary definition of shrill but reminds people of a shrill voice because it's annoying, grating, and hurts a person's ears due to the way her voice and mannerism is? that's your point? that people use the wrong word to describe how annoying her voice is? that's incredibly petty. Shrill has negative connotations associated with it. Hillary is described as shrill. You just said that Hillary's voice doesn't fit that definition, yet it still sounds "right" to you to describe her as such. Convenient. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876786615] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>...your point is that it doesn't fit the dictionary definition of shrill but reminds people of a shrill voice because it's annoying, grating, and hurts a person's ears due to the way her voice and mannerism is? that's your point? that people use the wrong word to describe how annoying her voice is? that's incredibly petty.</quote> Shrill has negative connotations associated with it. Hillary is described as shrill. You just said that Hillary's voice doesn't fit that definition, yet it still sounds "right" to you to describe her as such. Convenient.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 04/08/17 9:27:54 AM #63:	I hate this idea that Hillary had to "hold back" in her debates. Do you consider that her "holding back" did more harm to her than actually trying and making an attempt to actually convince people "Hey, I may have not actually 100% earned this position, and it seems like the DNC backed me super hard against Bernie, but I actually do care about America and the people!" People aren't going to judge a woman in a leadership position. They just aren't. Not unless they seem like they suck at it. And you know what really makes you seem like you suck at it? Sounding like you don't actually give a fuck about the position you're vying for! If people say "Oh man, Hillary seems like she's fighting hard and really wants this for the people's sake! She sounds like such a bitch!" do you really, truly, think it would have been worse for her than people going "Man, she is so bland, I barely remember a thing she said, and she's just doesn't seem like she's fighting for anyone"? Donald Trump sounded like he was fighting for the people and people called him an asshole when he did. Is it really going to be that much worse for Hillary if she sounds like she's fighting for the people and people call her a bitch over it? This is unrealistic and thinking stuck in the past. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:876786760] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote>I hate this idea that Hillary had to "hold back" in her debates. Do you consider that her "holding back" did more harm to her than actually trying and making an attempt to actually convince people "Hey, I may have not actually 100% earned this position, and it seems like the DNC backed me super hard against Bernie, but I actually do care about America and the people!" People aren't going to judge a woman in a leadership position. They just aren't. Not unless they seem like they suck at it. And you know what really makes you seem like you suck at it? Sounding like you don't actually give a fuck about the position you're vying for! If people say "Oh man, Hillary seems like she's fighting hard and really wants this for the people's sake! She sounds like such a bitch!" do you really, truly, think it would have been worse for her than people going "Man, she is so bland, I barely remember a thing she said, and she's just doesn't seem like she's fighting for anyone"? Donald Trump sounded like he was fighting for the people and people called him an asshole when he did. Is it really going to be that much worse for Hillary if she sounds like she's fighting for the people and people call her a bitch over it? This is unrealistic and thinking stuck in the past.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 04/08/17 9:31:39 AM #64:	Inviso posted... Wanglicious posted... ...your point is that it doesn't fit the dictionary definition of shrill but reminds people of a shrill voice because it's annoying, grating, and hurts a person's ears due to the way her voice and mannerism is? that's your point? that people use the wrong word to describe how annoying her voice is? that's incredibly petty. Shrill has negative connotations associated with it. Hillary is described as shrill. You just said that Hillary's voice doesn't fit that definition, yet it still sounds "right" to you to describe her as such. Convenient. shrill is negative because it's annoying, grating, and hurts to hear. hillary's voice, despite not being high pitched, still manages to be annoying, grating, and hurts to hear. the first word that comes to mind describing that is "shrill." so the first word people use to describe it is often "shrill." if that's your complaint then "use better words" is about the only thing this argument ends with, which is why i call your argument incredibly petty. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:876786877] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>...your point is that it doesn't fit the dictionary definition of shrill but reminds people of a shrill voice because it's annoying, grating, and hurts a person's ears due to the way her voice and mannerism is? that's your point? that people use the wrong word to describe how annoying her voice is? that's incredibly petty.</quote> Shrill has negative connotations associated with it. Hillary is described as shrill. You just said that Hillary's voice doesn't fit that definition, yet it still sounds "right" to you to describe her as such. Convenient.</quote> shrill is negative because it's annoying, grating, and hurts to hear. hillary's voice, despite not being high pitched, still manages to be annoying, grating, and hurts to hear. the first word that comes to mind describing that is "shrill." so the first word people use to describe it is often "shrill." if that's your complaint then "use better words" is about the only thing this argument ends with, which is why i call your argument incredibly petty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/08/17 9:42:38 AM #65:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... I hate this idea that Hillary had to "hold back" in her debates. Do you consider that her "holding back" did more harm to her than actually trying and making an attempt to actually convince people "Hey, I may have not actually 100% earned this position, and it seems like the DNC backed me super hard against Bernie, but I actually do care about America and the people!" People aren't going to judge a woman in a leadership position. They just aren't. Not unless they seem like they suck at it. And you know what really makes you seem like you suck at it? Sounding like you don't actually give a fuck about the position you're vying for! If people say "Oh man, Hillary seems like she's fighting hard and really wants this for the people's sake! She sounds like such a bitch!" do you really, truly, think it would have been worse for her than people going "Man, she is so bland, I barely remember a thing she said, and she's just doesn't seem like she's fighting for anyone"? Donald Trump sounded like he was fighting for the people and people called him an asshole when he did. Is it really going to be that much worse for Hillary if she sounds like she's fighting for the people and people call her a bitch over it? This is unrealistic and thinking stuck in the past. I'm just looking at the polling data. Debate 1 and Debate 2, yes Trump fucked up royally...but Hillary was restrained as well. Her numbers rose. Debate 3, Hillary was passionate and outspoken about her believes, and Trump wasn't especially better than usual...her poll numbers began free-falling. Sure there are a lot of factors, but the fall began prior to the Comey letter. I LOVED Hillary's third debate. That was the moment where I shifted from "I'm voting AGAINST Donald Trump" to "I'm voting FOR Hillary Clinton." Yet that's also the moment her campaign tanked, based on polling data. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:876787223] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote>I hate this idea that Hillary had to "hold back" in her debates. Do you consider that her "holding back" did more harm to her than actually trying and making an attempt to actually convince people "Hey, I may have not actually 100% earned this position, and it seems like the DNC backed me super hard against Bernie, but I actually do care about America and the people!" People aren't going to judge a woman in a leadership position. They just aren't. Not unless they seem like they suck at it. And you know what really makes you seem like you suck at it? Sounding like you don't actually give a fuck about the position you're vying for! If people say "Oh man, Hillary seems like she's fighting hard and really wants this for the people's sake! She sounds like such a bitch!" do you really, truly, think it would have been worse for her than people going "Man, she is so bland, I barely remember a thing she said, and she's just doesn't seem like she's fighting for anyone"? Donald Trump sounded like he was fighting for the people and people called him an asshole when he did. Is it really going to be that much worse for Hillary if she sounds like she's fighting for the people and people call her a bitch over it? This is unrealistic and thinking stuck in the past.</quote> I'm just looking at the polling data. Debate 1 and Debate 2, yes Trump fucked up royally...but Hillary was restrained as well. Her numbers rose. Debate 3, Hillary was passionate and outspoken about her believes, and Trump wasn't especially better than usual...her poll numbers began free-falling. Sure there are a lot of factors, but the fall began prior to the Comey letter. I LOVED Hillary's third debate. That was the moment where I shifted from "I'm voting AGAINST Donald Trump" to "I'm voting FOR Hillary Clinton." Yet that's also the moment her campaign tanked, based on polling data.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 04/08/17 9:48:40 AM #66:	Was that the one where Trump spent the entire debate pacing and only stopping to go "No U!" Because in hindsight I can see how that became a pretty good representation of the Republican party as a whole --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:876787400] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote>Was that the one where Trump spent the entire debate pacing and only stopping to go "No U!" Because in hindsight I can see how that became a pretty good representation of the Republican party as a whole</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 04/08/17 9:58:29 AM #67:	I mean Trump's campaign promises basically boiled down to "we're gonna kick out all the darkies and bring back jobs." I guess that's what fighting for the people sounds like now? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:876787721] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote>I mean Trump's campaign promises basically boiled down to "we're gonna kick out all the darkies and bring back jobs." I guess that's what fighting for the people sounds like now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 04/08/17 11:30:01 AM #68:	not gonna understand any complaints about Hill sounding Shrill when Trump speaks like a fucking toddler every time he opens his mouth. --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:876791172] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote>not gonna understand any complaints about Hill sounding Shrill when Trump speaks like a fucking toddler every time he opens his mouth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 04/08/17 1:14:35 PM #69:	EndOfDiscOne posted... Kenri posted... Looking at who voted for her and who didn't, it was probably more racism than any of these. Comments like this are why I think conservatives were annoyed enough to get out and vote in droves. Yeah exactly. Imagine being so mad that racism is becoming less socially acceptable that it decides your president for you, above things like policy and competence. --- The gurus prayed, but the prayer was absorbed by DpObliVion. <cite>Kenri posted [p:876796334] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote>Looking at who voted for her and who didn't, it was probably more racism than any of these. </quote> Comments like this are why I think conservatives were annoyed enough to get out and vote in droves.</quote> Yeah exactly. Imagine being so mad that racism is becoming less socially acceptable that it decides your president for you, above things like policy and competence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 04/08/17 1:21:33 PM #70:	Kenri posted... EndOfDiscOne posted... Kenri posted... Looking at who voted for her and who didn't, it was probably more racism than any of these. Comments like this are why I think conservatives were annoyed enough to get out and vote in droves. Yeah exactly. Imagine being so mad that racism is becoming less socially acceptable that it decides your president for you, above things like policy and competence. The whole liberal elite mentality that you're better and more righteous than those backwards hillbillies on the other side. Hillary was a champion of this. --- Ulti was right <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:876796672] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote>Looking at who voted for her and who didn't, it was probably more racism than any of these. </quote> Comments like this are why I think conservatives were annoyed enough to get out and vote in droves.</quote> Yeah exactly. Imagine being so mad that racism is becoming less socially acceptable that it decides your president for you, above things like policy and competence.</quote> The whole liberal elite mentality that you're better and more righteous than those backwards hillbillies on the other side. Hillary was a champion of this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solioxrz362 04/08/17 1:22:40 PM #71:	Eddv posted... Comey...in that she still wins despite all of that if he didnt bumble around with that non story. I say this. She had a pretty big lead in the polls until this happened, and then it slowly evaporated until Trump was just a point or two behind nationally on election day --- Got a brand new blues that I can't explain <cite>Solioxrz362 posted [p:876796732] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>Comey...in that she still wins despite all of that if he didnt bumble around with that non story.</quote> I say this. She had a pretty big lead in the polls until this happened, and then it slowly evaporated until Trump was just a point or two behind nationally on election day</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/08/17 1:25:06 PM #72:	EndOfDiscOne posted... Kenri posted... EndOfDiscOne posted... Kenri posted... Looking at who voted for her and who didn't, it was probably more racism than any of these. Comments like this are why I think conservatives were annoyed enough to get out and vote in droves. Yeah exactly. Imagine being so mad that racism is becoming less socially acceptable that it decides your president for you, above things like policy and competence. The whole liberal elite mentality that you're better and more righteous than those backwards hillbillies on the other side. Hillary was a champion of this. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/08/22/economic-anxiety-isnt-driving-racial-resentment-racial-resentment-is-driving-economic-anxiety/?utm_term=.ae094222d212 On average, Hillary voters were smarter and less racist than Trump voters, so yeah I'd say they're pretty much correct in feeling superior I certainly feel extremely superior to people who voted for Trump after the last few months! --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:876796851] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote>Looking at who voted for her and who didn't, it was probably more racism than any of these. </quote> Comments like this are why I think conservatives were annoyed enough to get out and vote in droves.</quote> Yeah exactly. Imagine being so mad that racism is becoming less socially acceptable that it decides your president for you, above things like policy and competence.</quote> The whole liberal elite mentality that you're better and more righteous than those backwards hillbillies on the other side. Hillary was a champion of this.</quote> http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/08/22/economic-anxiety-isnt-driving-racial-resentment-racial-resentment-is-driving-economic-anxiety/?utm_term=.ae094222d212 On average, Hillary voters were smarter and less racist than Trump voters, so yeah I'd say they're pretty much correct in feeling superior I certainly feel extremely superior to people who voted for Trump after the last few months!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 04/08/17 1:29:29 PM #73:	If I had to vote for one, I would have voted Hillary. It was still more fun to see Hillary lose than it would have been to see Trump lose. Smugness doesn't get you anywhere. --- Ulti was right <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:876797072] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote>If I had to vote for one, I would have voted Hillary. It was still more fun to see Hillary lose than it would have been to see Trump lose. Smugness doesn't get you anywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/08/17 1:31:20 PM #74:	Oh, and more sexist, don't forget more sexist http://www.vox.com/identities/2017/1/4/14160956/trump-racism-sexism-economy-study And more likely to quite literally think that black people are 'less evolved' than white people http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/the_majority_of_trump_supporters_surveyed_described_black_people_as_less.html But yeah, those poor Trump voters getting their feelings hurt, oh no! --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:876797164] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote>Oh, and more sexist, don't forget more sexist http://www.vox.com/identities/2017/1/4/14160956/trump-racism-sexism-economy-study And more likely to quite literally think that black people are 'less evolved' than white people http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/the_majority_of_trump_supporters_surveyed_described_black_people_as_less.html But yeah, those poor Trump voters getting their feelings hurt, oh no!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 04/08/17 1:32:50 PM #75:	EndOfDiscOne posted... If I had to vote for one, I would have voted Hillary. It was still more fun to see Hillary lose than it would have been to see Trump lose. Smugness doesn't get you anywhere. lmao you think that Trump & Trump supporters aren't insanely smug? What rock have you been living under? Like there is this incredible double standard that Trump supporters are allowed to act like horrible people, but when they get called out on it it's unfair. It's been there from the beginning and it's never made sense. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:876797228] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>If I had to vote for one, I would have voted Hillary. It was still more fun to see Hillary lose than it would have been to see Trump lose. Smugness doesn't get you anywhere.</quote> lmao you think that Trump & Trump supporters aren't insanely smug? What rock have you been living under? Like there is this incredible double standard that Trump supporters are allowed to act like horrible people, but when they get called out on it it's unfair. It's been there from the beginning and it's never made sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UItimaterializer 04/08/17 1:54:22 PM #76:	"Trump supporters are assholes." "I am obviously superior to Trump supporters." Yeah this totally isn't the liberal double standard. --- Get the X out. Vinateri was using his god powers on the Pats and then was like "Wait I'm a Colt now lol" and now you have it. <cite>UItimaterializer posted [p:876798381] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote>"Trump supporters are assholes." "I am obviously superior to Trump supporters." Yeah this totally isn't the liberal double standard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CeraSeptem 04/08/17 2:06:54 PM #77:	UItimaterializer posted... "Trump supporters are assholes." "I am obviously superior to Trump supporters." Yeah this totally isn't the liberal double standard. Serious question: What's the double standard? If Trump supporters are assholes, then as long as one isn't an asshole it's a perfectly fair statement to think one is superior to the previously mentioned assholes. You can argue the truthfulness of the claim, but being superior to an asshole isn't terribly difficult. --- I ****ing love to cuddle. I'm being oppressed! <cite>CeraSeptem posted [p:876799097] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>UItimaterializer posted...</cite> <quote>"Trump supporters are assholes." "I am obviously superior to Trump supporters." Yeah this totally isn't the liberal double standard.</quote> Serious question: What's the double standard? If Trump supporters are assholes, then as long as one isn't an asshole it's a perfectly fair statement to think one is superior to the previously mentioned assholes. You can argue the truthfulness of the claim, but being superior to an asshole isn't terribly difficult.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 04/08/17 2:16:22 PM #78:	EndOfDiscOne posted... The whole liberal elite mentality that you're better and more righteous than those backwards hillbillies on the other side. Hillary was a champion of this. If you're not racist you're probably better than racists, unless you have other major faults like being a kid diddler or something. I dunno where "backwards hillbillies" come into this, I never mentioned anything like that. --- The gurus prayed, but the prayer was absorbed by DpObliVion. <cite>Kenri posted [p:876799610] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>The whole liberal elite mentality that you're better and more righteous than those backwards hillbillies on the other side. Hillary was a champion of this.</quote> If you're not racist you're probably better than racists, unless you have other major faults like being a kid diddler or something. I dunno where "backwards hillbillies" come into this, I never mentioned anything like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 04/08/17 8:33:18 PM #79:	KamikazePotato posted... EndOfDiscOne posted... If I had to vote for one, I would have voted Hillary. It was still more fun to see Hillary lose than it would have been to see Trump lose. Smugness doesn't get you anywhere. lmao you think that Trump & Trump supporters aren't insanely smug? What rock have you been living under? Like there is this incredible double standard that Trump supporters are allowed to act like horrible people, but when they get called out on it it's unfair. It's been there from the beginning and it's never made sense. their icon is literally a smug frog named literally, smug frog --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:876818961] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamikazePotato posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>If I had to vote for one, I would have voted Hillary. It was still more fun to see Hillary lose than it would have been to see Trump lose. Smugness doesn't get you anywhere.</quote> lmao you think that Trump & Trump supporters aren't insanely smug? What rock have you been living under? Like there is this incredible double standard that Trump supporters are allowed to act like horrible people, but when they get called out on it it's unfair. It's been there from the beginning and it's never made sense.</quote> their icon is literally a smug frog named literally, smug frog</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 04/08/17 8:41:11 PM #80:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... I have heard more people say Howard Dean has a shrill voice than I have ever heard say Hillary has a shrill voice. And maybe people wouldn't criticize Hillary when she would "speak up" and call her names if she spoke with any sort of conviction for her entire campaign. Because say what you will about Trump, and say what you will about how motivations, but at least he made it sound like he was fighting for someone and something. Hillary only ever sounded like she was fighting for herself and people see through that crap. I agree with this. There's an argument to be made that she believed in the things she said she did, but boy was she bad at expressing it in a believable way. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:876819389] in Hillary on... [t:75208831]...</cite> <quote><cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted...</cite> <quote>I have heard more people say Howard Dean has a shrill voice than I have ever heard say Hillary has a shrill voice. And maybe people wouldn't criticize Hillary when she would "speak up" and call her names if she spoke with any sort of conviction for her entire campaign. Because say what you will about Trump, and say what you will about how motivations, but at least he made it sound like he was fighting for someone and something. Hillary only ever sounded like she was fighting for herself and people see through that crap.</quote> I agree with this. There's an argument to be made that she believed in the things she said she did, but boy was she bad at expressing it in a believable way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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