Board 8 > Finally watched Citizen Kane. [probable spoilers in topic]

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For those who don't know, this is generally considered to be the greatest film in American cinema history. While I'm not sure if it quite lived up to that reputation, I was damn impressed with it. Loved the camera angles and use of shadows, loved the dialogue, loved how "smart" it was (it seemed far less patronizing to the audience than most modern films I've seen), and I loved the final revelation despite having known about it beforehand. I think it conveys a wonderful message and is a movie I'd recommend to anyone with the maturity to handle it. Plus this gif I mean come on



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It's generally considered to be the greatest film because of all the technical stuff in it that it invented, not necessarily because of how much people enjoy it.

If that makes sense.

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It does. I knew about that before watching it - that film historians actually consider every shot in the movie to be hugely influential. I've watched a few other films from that era, and the way Citizen Kane approached cinematography really was significantly different.

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great movie

overrated, but damn

it's good

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Still have never seen it myself.

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It does. I knew about that before watching it - that film historians actually consider every shot in the movie to be hugely influential. I've watched a few other films from that era, and the way Citizen Kane approached cinematography really was significantly different.
Also, yeah, this is quite true. There was a veritable revolution in cinema in that movie's cinematography. My film professor gave a half-hour lecture and I was suitably impressed.

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I've seen it, and while I can respect the film for what it did for the motion picture industry, it was just kind of a drag for me. Same feelings I have for 2001: A Space Odyssey.

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So far Godfather Part I is the only movie I've watched out of the "greatest films of all time" that I thoroughly enjoyed just as a movie.

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lmao I was just about to start watching 2001 right now.

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Everything I know about that movie:



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Great movie. Give it another watch in a year or two and it'll grow on you.

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I watched it a few months ago and have mostly forgotten what it was about. Watch Seven Samurai instead, that one doesnt disappoint despite also old

I did a paper on Seven Samurai. The gist? It's f***ing awesome.

I even included that at the end of the paper, that last two lines up there. Got a chuckle or two.

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I always wanted to watch it out of sheer curiosity, but I figured knowing the reveal (who doesn't know the reveal? It's the "End of Disc One" of the movie world. Well, the Star Wars spoiler probably is, but whatever, they're about the same). But good to see that isn't necessarily the case. Might go out of my way to watch it.

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I'd also count Casablanca as one of the "Really old hyped movies that actually stands up by itself as a good movie" types

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2001 is an utterly crazy movie. best of luck.

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Only the end of 2001 is crazy.

The rest is spectacular.

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Citizen Kane's technicals are the whole reason it is considered the best film period. The movie itself is still solid, though I'd take Casablanca and The Godfather over it in terms of enjoyment.

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2001 is a bad movie

citizen kane is a sort of engaging movie

Godfather is actually a great movie

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Citizen Kane is the Shadow of the Colossus of movies

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I liked 2001 a lot, but you have to go in with the ability to not judge what you think a movie should be. 2001 is NOT about its narrative.

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Citizen Kane's technicals are the whole reason it is considered the best film period.

That's not true at all.

And 2001 is ****ing awesome, but uh, yeah, it's not for everyone. Way more "experimental" than Citizen Kane.

Citizen kane is fantastic. Favorite scene is where his friend/assistant is dancing around the room with his girl, and kane is between them in every shot

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Citizen Kane is considered one of the greatest films in history. Like for sure in the top five. There is no undisputed #1, unless you are judging purely on technical innovation in which case yeah, Kane takes it.

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Jeff Zero posted...

I did a paper on Seven Samurai. The gist? It's f***ing awesome.

I even included that at the end of the paper, that last two lines up there. Got a chuckle or two.

Seven Samurai is good, but I think some of Kurosawa's other movies are better. Such as Dreams and KAGEMUSHA!

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Reached the intermission in 2001, and holy ffffffff this movie's awesome. Are there digitally enhanced versions, or did the visual effects actual look this good in 1968? I can't stop marveling at how beautiful the ships and scenery look.

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Also, this must have really influenced Lucas. I see many similarities between 2001 and Star Wars.

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There's been a digitally remastered version, I don't know which version you are watching. But the visual effects are amazing in any version!

And yeah, 2001 was probably the biggest influence on the first Star Wars film. But like Citizen Kane, it was also hugely influential on movies period.

The Phantom Menace pays homage to 2001 by having one of the 2001 capsules in Watto's junkyard.

Aecioo posted...

It's generally considered to be the greatest film because of all the technical stuff in it that it invented, not necessarily because of how much people enjoy it.

When I first saw it, I had high hopes and was left feeling a little empty, so I had to ask someone why the movie was considered great. That was basically what they said.

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God damn that was good.

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2001 amazed me with its visuals, but the story left me with a different feeling.

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2001 isn't even one of Kubrick's 10 best movies.


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2001 isn't even passable. I'm sorry, but I still stand towards my dislike towards this film, regardless of its impact. Its visuals and cinematography were the only part I felt were great, but just dangling a bunch of keys at me is not going to impress me. This was the same problem I almost exactly had with Tree Of Life, though I'd take that over 2001 since it has a lower running time.

This isn't to say I hate Kubrick or anything (out of the 5 films I've watched that he directed). I loved Full Metal Jacket and The Shining, but the one I'd probably call his greatest film (Out of the ones I've watched, not my favourite film) is A Clockwork Orange.

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The sound effects blew me away, and I'm a fan of minimalist dialogue. There was no dialogue in the first 20-25 minutes of 2001, and I thought that was just fine n dandy.

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PartOfYourWorld posted...

The sound effects blew me away, and I'm a fan of minimalist dialogue. There was no dialogue in the first 20-25 minutes of 2001, and I thought that was just fine n dandy.

How did you like HAL?

In particular, this scene(not just the singing part, but the whole thing)?



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I agree that 2001's story isn't great (though it's better than people give it credit for), but the movie has an atmosphere that really appeals to me, created by the really slow pace, the sparse use of dialogue and the music, among other things. I realize that sounds pretty vague - I'm trying to explain why I disagree with the "2001 has amazing visuals and nothing else" sentiment (I'd reserve that statement for a Michael Bay film or something). It's definitely a love/hate film, I think.

Visuals and atmosphere may be two different things, but the latter is a much more attractive concept to me. I don't think I'll ever watch a Michael Bay film again after seeing two movies from him I really did not enjoy in the slightest (Pearl Harbor; Transformers), whereas I echo your sentiments regarding what I would classify as 2001's atmospheric worth being tremendous.

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I actually liked the 2001 HAL subplot. if the whole movie was just about that I'd probably like it

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well maybe it isn't exactly a subplot but there's just too much other stuff going on in the film

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Did I hear someone mention Seven Samurai? Of all the "classics" I've seen, that's one I'd legitimately rank among the best films ever made even today. It's pretty long though, that's its only flaw, if you even consider that a flaw.

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spoilers move one letter forward in the alphabet and HAL = IBM

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spoilers move one letter forward in the alphabet and HAL = IBM

Oh god.

How did I never notice that?

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Someone once asked on Facebook what movie best represented "America" and Citizen Kane was the best one that I could come up with. Saying Citizen Kane seems like such a kneejerk reaction that I tried searching for something else, but other than The Godfather I couldn't really come up with something. That probably says something about why the film is so consistently at the top of critic's lists.


(it seemed far less patronizing to the audience than most modern films I've seen)

I completely agree with this. Older studio movies are, in my opinion, much better than the studio movies we have now, which are all oriented towards teenagers/infantalized adults.

And the special effects in 2001 are amazing, both for its time and in general. I mean, I love the visuals and the film aside from that, but it kind of belies the claim that Star Wars was the first movie to really come out with those type of effects. Looks way better than the CG crap we get today, and its hard to believe that the early human costuming/effects done here was done at the same time as Planet of the Apes (Not to diss the latter film, which is great, but the effects here are much better)

And since you've already seen 3 (I assume you've seen The Godfather) of the top 5 of this list you might as well check out Vertigo and The Rules of the Game and finish it off!

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Weighing in on some of the movies mentioned

Citizen Kane is like Goldeneye, in that it was excellent for its time, but not that great by today's standards

2001: A Space Odyssey is brilliant

Casablanca lives up to about 98% of its hype. So so good. (But not Bogart's best)

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Oh, and of the top 25 on that list Yesmar posted, the best movie there is Signin' in the Rain.

(Vertigo is an A-caliber movie, but not Hitchcock's best, I don't think)

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The problem I have with 2001 is that the pace is so friggin' ridiculously slow. I actually think the story of HAL is interesting, and his dialogue is iconic for a reason. But the movie just drags and drags and drags.

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I think Ebert pointed out that many people can't stand the slow pace of 2001 because we've grown so accustomed to fast paced movies.