Board 8 > Friendly reminder: SMB1 is still the best mainline Mario game

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If we're not counting Yoshi's Island.

It's just platforming perfection, man.

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I gotta give it to Super Mario 64, though I am a big fan of SMB1.

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No way, man. 3, World and NSMB Wii are all superior 2D Mario games. Yoshi's Island is just icing on that cake.

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3 is the best. I kind of want to go back and play SMB1 though, because it would probably be my 3rd favorite after 3 and SM64.

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If we're counting 3D Mario games as well, 64, Galaxy and Galaxy 2 are all entries I prefer over SMB1 as well.

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Nah. Had more fun with World and 64.

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If YI doesn't count then it's SM64

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It's real good but I like several games over it

better than SMW, SML, SML2 and SMS for sure though

World, SMB3, and 64 at the very least.

3D land and maybe Lost Levels too.

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Y'all World fans are crazy! It's pretty much a carbon copy of SMB3, IMO... but SMB3 won handily in terms of difficulty, power-ups, and especially level design. World had the better soundtrack and... Yoshi, but that was it. It just felt kind of complacent and rushed, I think.

SMB3 and SM64 are good picks for sure, but I don't know. I just don't think they come all that close to SMB1. That's just platforming bliss in my book.

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A lot of games in the series are better than SMB IMO.

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From: TheCodeisBosco | #010
Y'all World fans are crazy! It's pretty much a carbon copy of SMB3, IMO... but SMB3 won handily in terms of difficulty, power-ups, and especially level design. World had the better soundtrack and... Yoshi, but that was it. It just felt kind of complacent and rushed, I think.

SMB3 and SM64 are good picks for sure, but I don't know. I just don't think they come all that close to SMB1. That's just platforming bliss in my book.
No way, man. World's level design and especially aesthetics were ace, just ace. It never felt remotely rushed to me and things like switch palaces and Star Road make the game much more enjoyable to me on replays.

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Topic title is truth.

3 and World are the only ones that come close

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Jeff Zero posted...

From: TheCodeisBosco | #010
Y'all World fans are crazy! It's pretty much a carbon copy of SMB3, IMO... but SMB3 won handily in terms of difficulty, power-ups, and especially level design. World had the better soundtrack and... Yoshi, but that was it. It just felt kind of complacent and rushed, I think.

SMB3 and SM64 are good picks for sure, but I don't know. I just don't think they come all that close to SMB1. That's just platforming bliss in my book.
No way, man. World's level design and especially aesthetics were ace, just ace. It never felt remotely rushed to me and things like switch palaces and Star Road make the game much more enjoyable to me on replays.

I can't deny that Star Road was really neat, and I do like its visual style too! But it didn't push the hardware like SMB3 did. I mean, I play SMB3, and I'm just like... "how the hell did they pull this off on an NES?" It also has that really neat "stage show/play" motif.

As for the level designs, they weren't too memorable or exciting to me. Tubular was awesome, but that's the only level I distinctly remember - everything else just blended together. Whereas SMB3 has those airships, and the giant world, and even some good underwater levels!

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I'd put SMW, SM64, SMS, SMG and SMG2 over SMB all day, every day.

For the record, SMW is the best. It took 2D Mario and perfected it.

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Ah well. I love both 3 and world quite a bit, it's just that I give the edge to World!

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SMB1 isn't even close to the best mainline Mario for me. Excluding Sunshine I'd take any 3D Mario over all the 2D ones combined.

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Oh, does Donkey Kong for the GB/ SGB count as a mainline mario game?

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From: TheCodeisBosco | #016

But it didn't push the hardware like SMB3 did. I mean, I play SMB3, and I'm just like... "how the hell did they pull this off on an NES?"

a late-NES game pushes its system more than a launch SNES game does, imagine that!

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Jeff Zero posted...

Ah well. I love both 3 and world quite a bit, it's just that I give the edge to World!

Well hey, as long as you love 3, it's all good! :P Maybe I should give World another spin one of these days. I have kind of been on a Mario kick.

Tsunbiribiri posted...

Oh, does Donkey Kong for the GB/ SGB count as a mainline mario game?

DK '94 over SMB1? Aw, hell naw!

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SMB1 controls are terrible compared to every other Mario game.

th3l3fty posted...

From: TheCodeisBosco | #016

But it didn't push the hardware like SMB3 did. I mean, I play SMB3, and I'm just like... "how the hell did they pull this off on an NES?"

a late-NES game pushes its system more than a launch SNES game does, imagine that!

Yeah, but it wasn't even one of the most visually impressive launch titles! F-Zero definitely won that battle. I've always loved PilotWings's visual style too.

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What? I don't even think of SMB1 as a good game. It's almost unplayable. No vertical scrolling, no backward scrolling, really boring repetitive levels, thoughtlessly designed levels, way too difficult levels, control is effed, almost no powerups, no map, no nothing. Yuck. SMB1 is like a proof of concept, waiting for someone to make a real game out of sidescroller platforming.

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I seriously think I'd put just about every Mario platformer over SMB1.

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Epyo posted...

What? I don't even think of SMB1 as a good game. It's almost unplayable. No vertical scrolling, no backward scrolling, really boring repetitive levels, thoughtlessly designed levels, way too difficult levels, control is effed, almost no powerups, no map, no nothing. Yuck. SMB1 is like a proof of concept, waiting for someone to make a real game out of sidescroller platforming.

Whoa whoa, WHAT? Repetitive and thoughtlessly designed levels? Man, they keep me on my toes every time I play 'em. I think the challenge level is perfect too - especially compared to games like Sunshine, that have wildly unbalanced difficulty (some of those Sprites required the patience of Mother Teresa to get).

Not sure why some people dislike the controls so much, either. Compared to many other games of the era, I think they're pretty dang fluid - just compare its controls to Ice Climber's.

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Compared to many other games of the era, I think they're pretty dang fluid - just compare its controls to Ice Climber's.

But compared to other Mario games, it's unplayable

Well, don't compare the controls to ice climbers', compare it to the other Mario games!

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SMB1 is definitely a classic and good all around, but there are other Mario games that have surpassed it

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I don't think its controls pale in comparison to the rest of the series either! Remember those wonky motion-control segments from Galaxy? And I really can't see much difference between SMB1's physics/controls and SMB3's.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I seriously think I'd put just about every Mario platformer over SMB1.

Same here. New Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Sunshine's debatable nowadays, but at least I really enjoyed SMS once upon a time. SMB1's never been a stellar game to me aside from its legacy.

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Just look at some of these levels in SMB1. Here's 5-1:



There's nothing interesting about it! There are some goombas, some koopas, some pipe flower guys, and a whole lot of flatness. I'll admit, some of these look fun. Here's 7-1:



That looks pretty interesting. But compared to levels from later games it's basically just a bunch of single bullet bills over and over, and *two* hammer bros. fights. So repetitive!

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Epyo posted...

What? I don't even think of SMB1 as a good game. It's almost unplayable. No vertical scrolling, no backward scrolling, really boring repetitive levels, thoughtlessly designed levels, way too difficult levels, control is effed, almost no powerups, no map, no nothing. Yuck. SMB1 is like a proof of concept, waiting for someone to make a real game out of sidescroller platforming.

are you sure you're not describing Wonder Boy

because I'm pretty sure you're directly describing Wonder Boy


also, SMB3 isn't even close to the most limit-pushing NES game

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SMB1 probably has some of the most thought out design I've ever seen in a game.

The physics are also advanced beyond anything platformers even see to this day.

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From: TheCodeisBosco | #001
If we're not counting Yoshi's Island.
As if to add insult to BOSCOPINION.

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I used to think YI was on par with SMB1.

Replaying it recently has knocked it down a few pegs.
I've really appreciated the fantastic design, graphically, levels, mechanics, everything.

But at it's core it's really less about platforming and more about...puzzles and collecting stuff.

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LeonhartFour posted...

From: TheCodeisBosco | #001
If we're not counting Yoshi's Island.
As if to add insult to BOSCOPINION.

He has a point--it originally wasn't a Mario game, they just added the Mario title in America.

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No no Leon just doesn't like Yoshi's Island.

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LeonhartFour posted...

From: TheCodeisBosco | #001
If we're not counting Yoshi's Island.
As if to add insult to BOSCOPINION.

He has a point--it originally wasn't a Mario game, they just added the Mario title in America.
I'm not saying Yoshi's Island doesn't count.

I'm saying him saying Yoshi's Island would be the best one if we counted it is the insult.

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From: pjbasis | #039
No no Leon just doesn't like Yoshi's Island.
I like Yoshi's Island.

But I had no idea people held it in such ridiculously high regard until I came to Board 8. I don't understand it.

And yet it's probably not even the most overrated Mario game on the board!

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64?

It is quite the revolution in gaming, even if I don't like the direction it took the Mario series.

Or maybe SMRPG?

If so, lol u

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From: pjbasis | #042
Or maybe SMRPG?
uhhh haven't you been reading my list topic

if so you may remember that SMRPG is on it

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3 > World > NSMBW > Galaxy 2

those are the top 4 off the top of my head

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But yes, it's Mario 64. "Revolutionary" doesn't mean much of anything when it comes to how good the game is.

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Yoshi's Island is good. Not SMB3/SMW levels of good, though. World is also really solid. It just felt very fluid to me, I loved the secrets and Star Road, and it was just well-done all around.

SMB1...I didn't play SMB1 much, but I did play lots of SMBDX! That game was kind of fun, but really hard and difficult. It was a nice game, but that's all. Definitely a lower-tier Mario game, imho, but better than some Mario games. Like NSMB.

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Like NSMB.

Seriously get it away!

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Also, I don't know how Bosco can say that Mario World plays exactly like Mario 3.

I'd have to wonder how recently he played either game if he thinks that.

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It is completely different.

World is way less momentum-based.

You're generally very quick and agile in that game compared to 3 and 1.

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