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kevwaffles 05/10/12 5:00:00 PM #1: |
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/05/10/community-renewed-by-nbc/133476/
Only for 13 episodes. NBC either sucks at math (4 short of 88), they're keeping the option open to order more, or they know something we don't. And no, this is not a final season announcement like 30 Rock. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WaIker 05/10/12 5:02:00 PM #2: |
Community was already syndicated by Comedy Channel.
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Azp2k32 05/10/12 5:02:00 PM #3: |
They're also doing the same thing to Parks and Rec....
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mnkboy907 05/10/12 5:03:00 PM #4: |
There hasn't been any official word on Parks and Rec yet.
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kevwaffles 05/10/12 5:19:00 PM #5: |
From: WaIker | #002 Not the same as network syndication, which tends to be more lucrative over time. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mik_Pick 05/10/12 5:19:00 PM #6: |
Can someone explain to me why 88 is the magic number for syndication?
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CoolCly 05/10/12 5:21:00 PM #7: |
Community hasn't been flagged for a final season or just a 13 episode season.
All that has happened is that NBC has ordered 13 episodes. They have the option of ordering the back nine episodes to bring it to 22, which is very common. I'd wager they are doing this because then they only have to pay for 13 episodes upfront, and can pay for the rest later when they reorder. They've been making big investments on a ton of pilots for next year, this just seems like a cash flow decision to me. -- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/10/12 5:22:00 PM #8: |
From: Mik_Pick | #006 Honestly, I think it is just based on observation of recurring patterns. The number used to be a more strict 100, though. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mnkboy907 05/10/12 5:23:00 PM #9: |
Typical seasons are 22 episodes each, so four complete seasons is just a nice number. It used to be 100 (that number I don't really get, other than being a nice round number), but with ratings declining more and more over the years, less shows are making it to five seasons.
At least that's what I've always thought it to be. -- http://i45.tinypic.com/fpchec.gif http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9413/cutepuppy16.png - Number of people that D'awwed: 67 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/10/12 5:39:00 PM #10: |
bump
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MarvelousGerbil 05/10/12 5:42:00 PM #11: |
From: mnkboy907 | #009 Seems unfair to shows that get 4 seasons and the first one happened to have 13 or less. I always wondered why I never saw Arrested Development reruns. I guess this is why. Would it technically be eligible if the fourth season ever actually gets made? -- http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Forceful_Dragon 05/10/12 5:42:00 PM #12: |
Six seasons and a movie ;_;
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kevwaffles 05/10/12 5:45:00 PM #13: |
From: MarvelousGerbil | #011 Arrested Development got cut down later, not to start with. Having a short first season is actually helpful if your episode order gets cut later. And it probably would, if getting the rights to run both segments of the show are the same. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/10/12 5:57:00 PM #14: |
From: CoolCly | #007 Apparently they did this with Chuck multiple times. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CherryCokes 05/10/12 6:29:00 PM #15: |
From: kevwaffles | #014 Only once worth noting, which was Season 4. The back nine tanked, and it got an abbreviated S5 to close the show. Realistically, the crux of this issue comes down to when NBC schedules it. September is a very encouraging sign; midseason replacement less so. -- http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7461/bb4e.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jeff Zero 05/10/12 6:33:00 PM #16: |
From: CherryCokes | #015 Yeah, pretty much. For another very recent example of 13 episodes closing a show (just for fun, no real relevance here) Fringe just got an abbreviated 13-episode final season to close itself out. That show's ratings have been absolutely dreadful for the last couple of years, with one recent episode getting 2.85 million total viewers and a whopping 0.9 18-49. Its continued survival past the magic 88 and into 101 territory this Fall is kind of amazing. ETA: It is definitely worth noting that Fringe has been airing on Friday nights, where ratings have been much lower for a very long time with regards to network television. But a 0.9 for Fox is still... lol. -- "Later..." <Toonami> <4/1/2012> <Never Forget> ~SCP~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/10/12 8:51:00 PM #17: |
From: CherryCokes | #015 I thought Season 3 as well. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/10/12 9:09:00 PM #18: |
Also, Fringe is actually billed as the final season, like 30 Rock. Community is not, so it's currently in a different boat. Plus, I'm pretty sure Fringe needs to have more of a handle on how many episodes they have left to end the story properly. Community may have a lot of continuity for a sitcom, but it still doesn't have to written quite so tightly for a proper ending.
Fringe's situation is more like Chuck S5, rather than Chuck S4 (or S3 if I've heard correctly). -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jeff Zero 05/10/12 9:11:00 PM #19: |
From: kevwaffles | #018 Quite so. I just thought it was an interesting case of something in a very broadly similar boat since until recently I hadn't really seen networks being so lenient as to allow such a low-rated series to keep going. There's a lot of good vibe out there for Fox right now from a certain subset of the internet which had really hated them for the past ten years, heh. But yes, Chuck is definitely the closest comparison there. -- "Later..." <Toonami> <4/1/2012> <Never Forget> ~SCP~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yoshifan823 05/10/12 9:53:00 PM #20: |
I hope Community gets a Back 9 next year, and then ends. That will be perfect in terms of story, and it's not like NBC would be cancelling a ratings juggernaut. It'd have enough for a good syndication run, and not too much that it gets stretched. I mean, I can see this show going off the rails pretty quick.
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CherryCokes 05/10/12 10:00:00 PM #21: |
After about a season and a half, though, Fringe stopped being a show about ratings. It, like Community, has a rabid and devoted fanbase, and Fox had the ratings to be able to earn some goodwill back from the sci-fi community by not canceling another really good program. As far as Fridays, it did well enough, and it has been a very strong earner with DVR numbers factored in.
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yoshifan823 05/10/12 10:01:00 PM #22: |
See, now if anyone complains about Fox's treatment of Firefly, you can just say "Five seasons of Fringe", and they'll shut up.
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AlecTrevelyan006 05/10/12 10:05:00 PM #23: |
From: mnkboy907 | #009 If you do stripped syndication (run it Monday-->Friday), you can go 20 weeks with 100 episodes before having a rerun. That's almost five months. Of course, why 20 weeks is more special than 19 or 21 I couldn't tell you. -- Sack Up Or Shut Up™ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/10/12 10:12:00 PM #24: |
Fringe is the only one that's even somewhat surprising, as far as renewal at all. Believe it or not, Community's terrible ratings still put it at about the network's average scripted show ratings (for just the Spring, anyways). NBC is just doing that terribly.
(warning, incoming rant) The strategy that seems to be developing from them is interesting. And by interesting, I mean stupid. This past fall, they only started 2 new sitcoms (Whitney and Up All Night), and put all there eggs in one basket by advertising the hell out of them (especially Whitney as I recall). Which sort of worked, for a little while. But then the novelty wore off, and coupled with them all but neglecting advertising their veteran shows, everything tanked to new lows that NBC has still not recovered from. The only thing that didn't tank interestingly was Community, because it started at its low point as everything toppled around it (but not before the hiatus announcement). Fast forward to this Spring, and they've been doing the opposite. They signed new shows that they've barely advertised while no longer completely neglecting their veteran shows. And then thanks to Community's hiatus, and possibly because NBC seems too afraid of how bad re-run ratings will dip for them, they have to do some odd schedule shuffleboard to fit everything. And what happens here? The new shows tank right out of the gate, doing worse than both the vets and the fall rookies. So what are they prepped to do for next Fall? The same thing they did this Spring, but on crack. They've signed so many shows that they can't seriously expect to advertise all of them that thoroughly, and seeing what sticks regardless. I expect a lot of early season cancellations from them. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/10/12 10:20:00 PM #25: |
From: yoshifan823 | #022 Fringe didn't have it's initial episode airing screwed with, AFAIK. Fox's bad treatment of Firefly started right off the bat. Same with Dollhouse, though it got dragged out instead of disjointed. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yoshifan823 05/10/12 10:25:00 PM #26: |
This year, though, they've got the Olympics. They're starting the season early, right after the Olympics, and they're gonna advertise the hell out of a selection of shows, new and old, during those, so that they begin shortly after the Olympics end. I know Grimm and Go On (the new Matthew Perry sitcom) are getting that treatment, and I'm sure there will be others. I wouldn't be surprised to see them hold 30 Rock and The Office (if they give it a short order, which they should but won't) to the spring, to give the new sitcoms a chance to shine, and give Community and Parks enough time to see if they deserve a Spring. And depending on their success, they'll either advertise the hell out of some new shows in the spring (I get the feeling Community won't make it past 2013 regardless of whether it gets a back 9), or Parks and 30 Rock's finale.
My guesses: They'll keep the Wednesday block, Whitney gets a surprise reprieve in favor of Up All Night, and Whitney and Guys with Kids kick off Wednesday nights in August, and Thursday nights in August have Go On, Community, Parks, and something else new, potentially Animal Kingdom (or, disappointingly, The Office). In the spring, unless Whitney and Guys really, really hit it off, they put 30 Rock and The Office in that spot to get rid of them, and run some combination of Parks, Community, Go On (if they earn a back 9), New Normal/1600 Penn (which will almost certainly be paired together), Animal Kingdom (if it doesn't make it into the fall), or Save Me. They'll probably burn off whatever pilots they don't use in the spring, ala Perfect Couples, The Paul Reiser Show, Bent, and Best Friends Forever. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yoshifan823 05/10/12 10:26:00 PM #27: |
kevwaffles posted...
From: yoshifan823 | #022 See, now if anyone complains about Fox's treatment of Firefly, you can just say "Five seasons of Fringe", and they'll shut up. (they won't shut up though) Fringe didn't have it's initial episode airing screwed with, AFAIK. Fox's bad treatment of Firefly started right off the bat. Same with Dollhouse, though it got dragged out instead of disjointed. Dollhouse was a disappointing show that got a second season because of residual Firefly guilt. And Firefly was a tragedy, but Jesus, it's been 10 years, shut up. You got a movie. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/10/12 10:30:00 PM #28: |
You brought it up, not me. I'm just pointing out the flaw in your logic.
And past the initial screwing with episodes, Dollhouse actually got pretty good. You don't even have to watch those, they have an alternate premiere. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/10/12 10:31:00 PM #29: |
From: yoshifan823 | #026 I totally forgot about that. Their behavior makes quite a bit more sense knowing that, I'll admit. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/11/12 8:16:00 AM #30: |
Bump in case anyone still doesn't know this.
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muddersmilk 05/11/12 8:28:00 AM #31: |
Dollhouse was a disappointing show that got a second season because of residual Firefly guilt. And Firefly was a tragedy, but Jesus, it's been 10 years, shut up. You got a movie.
Yeah and the 2nd season of Dollhouse ended up being really good. Too bad FOX's meddling had already turned away the once promising fanbase. -- (Maniac64 at work) All the proteins, vitamins, and carbs of your grandma's best turkey dinner, plus 15% alcohol. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CoffeeNinjaB8 05/11/12 8:33:00 AM #32: |
All I know is 13 more episodes is better than 0 more episodes.
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CherryCokes 05/11/12 9:55:00 AM #33: |
From: yoshifan823 | #026 Whitney is almost certainly dead in the water, from everything I've read -- 2010 Boardy Winner for Mafia Host of the Year ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yoshifan823 05/11/12 10:11:00 AM #34: |
CherryCokes posted...
From: yoshifan823 | #026 My guesses: They'll keep the Wednesday block, Whitney gets a surprise reprieve in favor of Up All Night Whitney is almost certainly dead in the water, from everything I've read Really? All I keep reading is that they might keep it around as a companion for Guys with Kids. Which would be great, as Whitney really grew on me. I'd much rather see it get renewed than Up All Night. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mac Arrowny 05/11/12 10:14:00 AM #35: |
From: CherryCokes | #021 Don't DVD sales have anything to do with keeping shows alive? -- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarvelousGerbil 05/11/12 10:29:00 AM #36: |
From: Mac Arrowny | #035 I kinda doubt it. Most often, DVDs aren't going to sell to people who didn't watch the show in the first place. -- http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DigitalIncision 05/11/12 10:34:00 AM #37: |
We knew that if they were going to order any it was going to be 13 a month ago when they said that's what Parks and Rec was gonna get.
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kevwaffles 05/11/12 11:02:00 AM #38: |
From: DigitalIncision | #037 Nothing official has been said about that. Technically P&R hasn't even been renewed (it will be though). From: CherryCokes | #033 It was being put around or slightly better than 50/50 odds based strictly on ratings analysis, but that was before the multitude of new show announcements this week. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mac Arrowny 05/11/12 11:03:00 AM #39: |
From: MarvelousGerbil | #036 Sure, but Community sells way more DVDs than other shows with similar ratings do. Likewise Fringe. -- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/11/12 11:40:00 AM #40: |
From: MarvelousGerbil | #036 It's part of what got Family Guy back on the air (though Adult Swim's insanely high late night cable ratings probably did more). And it's pretty much entirely what got Arrested Development and Firefly pushed to movie deals. So there seems to be more consideration put into now than there used to be. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/11/12 11:53:00 AM #41: |
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/05/11/parks-recreation-and-the-office-renewed/133519/
Hearing rumblings that Whitney and Up All Night are getting renewed too. Okay, seriously, how the hell are they going to fit everything? I know they're starting the season early, but still. -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mnkboy907 05/11/12 11:55:00 AM #42: |
Wouldn't surprise me if they try going back to a three-hour comedy block on Thursday. It didn't work very well the first time, but it's not like the 10pm dramas are doing any better.
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kevwaffles 05/11/12 11:59:00 AM #43: |
From: mnkboy907 | #042 That could work. I always forget that after 10pm is actually an option for network sitcoms (besides Fox and CW). -- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jeff Zero 05/11/12 10:36:00 PM #44: |
OK, it's official -- Harry's Law was cancelled by NBC earlier.
What does this have anything to do with? Total viewers really don't mean s*** to network television. This is the biggest body of proof available in the past several years. The series was getting over twelve million total viewers -- higher than anything else on NBC -- but it was axed because its 18-49 -- which is what matters most unless your show/station is catering to another demographic altogether -- was utter trash. So if the conversation on NBC sitcoms (or anything else not on premium cable) should swing to total viewers, ignore whoever champions such 'evidence'. The Harry's Law cancellation is going to make twelve million people upset, but the vast majority of them are seniors. -- "Later..." <Toonami> <4/1/2012> <Never Forget> ~SCP~ http://img.imgcake.com/Jeffzeropngus.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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