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Jeff Zero
04/24/12 10:09:00 PM
#51:


From: Natwaf_akidna | #048
Well, FF 4 has specialized characters and... uhh, the story I guess, while FF 5 was all about the job system.


Oh yeah, and I actually really dig FFIV/IX's (and kinda-sorta FFI's) specialized classes. I know it sounds boring but I just do. It gives the characters such... definition.

I do love me the Job System too!

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Jeff Zero
04/24/12 10:10:00 PM
#52:


I felt like VII did that best hands-down personally, Accel.

But yeah, what he said is valid.

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LeonhartFour
04/24/12 10:10:00 PM
#53:


Jeff Zero posted...
From: LeonhartFour | #047
I would rank stuff, but I don't want to spoil my lists!
X
VIII
VII

Did I get the first three right?


You know I can't publicly answer that question!

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Jeff Zero
04/24/12 10:10:00 PM
#54:


From: LeonhartFour | #053
You know I can't publicly answer that question!


IMing you now

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Westbrick
04/24/12 10:11:00 PM
#55:


Many of them come and go, and they all leave an impression on the player, and in the end when you assemble your final team of five you feel as if this was the true A-Team, that these were the five that can save the world. Each of them lost much, and some everything, but they each display their own unique flavor of courageousness that most final fantasy characters lack. Not a single character seemed to be there "just because".

...FFIV felt more like a Saturday morning cartoon, given how cliche and badly written it was. I can understand the historical argument (it was influential, etc.), but the plot and character development are terrible today!

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Accel_R8
04/24/12 10:12:00 PM
#56:


The problem with 7 was most of, if not all the character arcs resolve before the final disc of the game and just STOP getting development at that point as a result. Vincent and Yuffie's stuff are entirely optional and even then Yuffie pretty much only hangs around because "WELL THE WORLD ENDING WILL BLOW UP ALL THE MATERIA AND I LIKE MATERIA".

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Accel_R8
04/24/12 10:12:00 PM
#57:


Westbrick posted...
Many of them come and go, and they all leave an impression on the player, and in the end when you assemble your final team of five you feel as if this was the true A-Team, that these were the five that can save the world. Each of them lost much, and some everything, but they each display their own unique flavor of courageousness that most final fantasy characters lack. Not a single character seemed to be there "just because".

...FFIV felt more like a Saturday morning cartoon, given how cliche and badly written it was. I can understand the historical argument (it was influential, etc.), but the plot and character development are terrible today!


You are forgetting when the game was made. The reason it's so cliche now is because it BECAME the cliche.

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LeonhartFour
04/24/12 10:12:00 PM
#58:


Well good thing the final disc in VII is just "beat the last boss and win the game" then!

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Westbrick
04/24/12 10:13:00 PM
#59:


You are forgetting when the game was made. The reason it's so cliche now is because it BECAME the cliche.

lol, nothing FFIV did hadn't been done dozens of times before. Don't let your own experiences cloud your judgment.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
04/24/12 10:14:00 PM
#60:


Terry Bogard Tier:
4,X

I am ok with this tier:

5,6,7,T

Has problems but still ok I guess Tier:

1,3,9, MQ

Steal more from Star Wars pls Tier:

12

So Bad but I pretty much ignore it tier

2

So Bad It pisses me off tier:
8,11, TA

I havent really played or really dont care tier
X-2,13,13-2,14,TA2, Dissidia, The Tower Defense one, 12-2

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Accel_R8
04/24/12 10:14:00 PM
#61:


Westbrick posted...
You are forgetting when the game was made. The reason it's so cliche now is because it BECAME the cliche.

lol, nothing FFIV did hadn't been done dozens of times before. Don't let your own experiences cloud your judgment.


List some examples then, that the average american had likely seen before FF4.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
04/24/12 10:17:00 PM
#62:



...FFIV felt more like a Saturday morning cartoon, given how cliche and badly written it was.



Thats precisely why I like FF4's plot. It's so stupid and nonsensical it's hilarious and oddly charming.
It's like Geass before Geass.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
04/24/12 10:21:00 PM
#63:


FF4's plot didn't do anything that was new. Maybe the moon having an atmosphere.

It was cliche and simple, but at least it knew it and acknowledged it, so it just rolled with it instead of trying in vain to make sense of it, only to make it even more nonsensical and sometimes outright pretentious. Like some of the other games have done.


Goddamn I hate FF7's extended crap.

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Accel_R8
04/24/12 10:23:00 PM
#64:


I'd still really like to see some examples of works the average american RPG player back in 1991 had likely seen prior to FF4.

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Rex915
04/24/12 10:55:00 PM
#65:


What the hell guys 12 is godly.
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ZFS
04/24/12 11:00:00 PM
#66:


I like FFIV's class system over V's job system. Beyond that, FFIV DS's revamped battle system beats any version of V. The stories are about the same--simple and charming--so neither is really ahead of the other there.

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Westbrick
04/25/12 12:12:00 AM
#67:


Thats precisely why I like FF4's plot. It's so stupid and nonsensical it's hilarious and oddly charming.
It's like Geass before Geass.


I suppose I could accept this. Sort of how I feel about Gurren Lagann, actually!

ZFS posted...
I like pressing A to win.


I see.

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Jeff Zero
04/25/12 12:18:00 AM
#68:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #063
Goddamn I hate FF7's extended crap.


It's horrendous. But hey, that's the nice thing about 'headcanon', something I've done with blocking out the rest of the VII universe. You just give something the finger and walk away forever.

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ZFS
04/25/12 12:20:00 AM
#69:


I take it you haven't played FFIV DS.

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Jeff Zero
04/25/12 12:22:00 AM
#70:


From: ZFS | #069
I take it you haven't played FFIV DS.


I played it and I don't recall the Augment system wildly transforming the game to some colossal extent that its gameplay was suddenly better than FFV's, at least.

Plus the implementation was kinda troublesome. It was like a box of chocolates with what you gave people and what you got in return -- except only a few choice chocolates were especially desirable.

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Westbrick
04/25/12 12:24:00 AM
#71:


ZFS posted...
I take it you haven't played FFIV DS.

I haven't actually; I was just commenting on what the original FFIV "class system" boils down to. But hey, if FFIVDS is some kind of significant upgrade, then maybe I should play it! I was just always turned off by the lolVA, which I don't believe can be turned off.

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ZFS
04/25/12 12:24:00 AM
#72:


I was talking to Westbrick. FFIV DS a much more difficult game than FFV, to the point that saying 'you press A to win' is more likely to apply the other way around. FFIV DS's rebalanced battle system is one of the best in the series.

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Jeff Zero
04/25/12 12:25:00 AM
#73:


From: ZFS | #072
I was talking to Westbrick. FFIV DS a much more difficult game than FFV, to the point that saying 'you press A to win' is more likely to apply the other way around. FFIV DS's rebalanced battle system is one of the best in the series.


Forgive me, I wasn't really clear (I'm tired) but I meant to imply I was intentionally interjecting, just voicing my two cents.

But yeah, I see your point in difficulty.

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Jeff Zero
04/25/12 12:26:00 AM
#74:


From: Westbrick | #071
I haven't actually; I was just commenting on what the original FFIV "class system" boils down to. But hey, if FFIVDS is some kind of significant upgrade, then maybe I should play it! I was just always turned off by the lolVA, which I don't believe can be turned off.


I think it can indeed be turned off. I'm pretty sure I did.

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ZFS
04/25/12 12:27:00 AM
#75:


You're fine! I liked the Augment system, myself. It wasn't the best addition or anything, but giving Cecil Kick is amazing.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
04/25/12 12:28:00 AM
#76:


Honestly I felt FF4 DS was easier than plain ol Vanilla FF4

Because a perma taunt in a JRPG is just asking to laugh at mostly everything.

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ZFS
04/25/12 12:28:00 AM
#77:


Yeah, you can turn off the voice acting, but there's no real reason to, I don't think. It's pretty good.

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ZFS
04/25/12 12:29:00 AM
#78:


Well, that's because regular FFIV is broken and annoying to play. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

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Jeff Zero
04/25/12 12:29:00 AM
#79:


From: ZFS | #075
You're fine! I liked the Augment system, myself. It wasn't the best addition or anything, but giving Cecil Kick is amazing.


XD I think I did that as well.

I'm actually more partial to the GBA/PSP additions though overall, I must admit. Augment was cool and I had fun with it but the two super-bosses required NG+ and, well, personally I just don't tend to go near NG+ stuff unless there's a huge draw to it since I get burnt out of most games for a while after beating them once and then when I get around to playing again I want the fresh experience with no bonuses.

GBA's slowdown in North America was definitely problematic but I liked the party swap at endgame, the Lunar Trials were relatively inoffensive additions and the Lunar Ruins (or whatever they were called) were sorta neat.

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ZFS
04/25/12 12:33:00 AM
#80:


Yeah, the slowdown was rough. That always bugs me about Square's ports, though FFV was good.

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pjbasis
04/25/12 12:39:00 AM
#81:


From: Jeff Zero | #079
then when I get around to playing again I want the fresh experience with no bonuses.


Man, I hate it but I do this all the time too.

I always think, this time for sure!

And then no.

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pjbasis
04/25/12 1:00:00 AM
#82:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #076
Honestly I felt FF4 DS was easier than plain ol Vanilla FF4


How?

Vanilla is so easy, seriously.

IVDS expects you to use the Augments semi-wisely, where vanilla had no complexities for difficulty to even come from.
You equip the latest gear, you fought your battles to be at a decent level. That's it.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
04/25/12 1:02:00 AM
#83:


never said either were particularly hard(cause they arent), just DS was easier.

Mainly due to the borked new toys to play with.

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pjbasis
04/25/12 1:04:00 AM
#84:


Maybe if you really used your stuff well.

But they don't tell you putting Augments on the temp characters is the only way to get the good s***.
So people like me who know who's not gonna stick around put all the Augments on the Final Five only.

That sucked.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
04/25/12 1:14:00 AM
#85:


couldve sworn the booklet said giving augments to your peoples would give you good stuff in return.

Doesn't matter that much aside like 2 people that give something crazy good, since you get the most borked one pretty early and its not missable at all.

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thundersheep
04/25/12 1:23:00 AM
#86:


Let's do this.

Top Tier

FFT
FF10
FF6

Awesome Tier

FF8
FF5

Great Tier

FF13
FF4
FF9

Good Tier

FF12

The Internet Made Me Hate This Game So I Really Don't Know Tier

FF7


Yeah, I really like the FF series. There hasn't been a game yet that I haven't enjoyed playing. I'm still waiting for a better version of 1 and 2 to come out (I don't own a PSP but I love the graphics in that version) and I still haven't opened 3 for DS because I know it's going to be bad.

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pjbasis
04/25/12 1:24:00 AM
#87:


From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #085
couldve sworn the booklet said giving augments to your peoples would give you good stuff in return.


Who reads the booklet nowadays!?

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pjbasis
04/25/12 1:36:00 AM
#89:


Thorough.

You didn't play Duodecim?

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ninkendo
04/25/12 5:41:00 AM
#90:


where FFIV DS's Augment system really shined was upon multiple playthroughs via New Game+

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OmarsComin
04/25/12 5:44:00 AM
#91:


Tactics is the best

10, 9, and 7 are all great

everything else is somewhere between okay and bad

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__Smurf__
04/25/12 5:45:00 AM
#92:


-Top Tier-

FF6 - 10 inclusive

-Bottom Tier-
Pre-6
Post-10

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metaIslugg
04/25/12 6:12:00 AM
#93:


Frankly I don't even remember what the plot of some of these games was. Like if you were to ask me about what happened in FF9 I have no idea man. Something about the planet. It's always about the planet. Or something

So imo FFT because of ninjas and ****. And FFXII because of katanas.

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04/25/12 10:05:00 AM
#94:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 6
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy 9
Final Fantasy 13
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy 5
Final Fantasy Legend 2
Final Fantasy 12
Final Fantasy Legend 3
The Final Fantasy Legend
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest
Final Fantasy 3
Final Fantasy Adventure
Final Fantasy 2
Final Fantasy Fables Chocobo Tales
Crisis Core: Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
Final Fantasy Revenant Wings
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance A2
Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Final Fantasy 11
Dissidia: Final Fantasy

Everything below the line is a 0/10 game, with Dissidia being the worst game ever made.


I can live with FFT > FF7, but FF13 > FF8?

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Jeff Zero
04/25/12 10:07:00 AM
#95:


I dunno, worst game ever made? Ouch...

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Jeff Zero
04/25/12 10:18:00 AM
#96:


Dammit thundersheep, don't fall victim to the anti-VIIist movement's patent-pending e-scare tactics. VII was good!

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Westbrick
04/25/12 10:26:00 AM
#97:


So wait, you *can* turn off VA in FFIV DS? Damn, I might need to go buy it then. I hope the remixed music lives up to the original!

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OctilIery
04/25/12 10:29:00 AM
#98:


Top Tier
FF7


Nope.

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