UltimaterializerX posted... Man I'm not being hyperbolic at all, but you act like I won't defend my favorite game. FFT PSP is an abomination. The only thing worse would be putting FFT 1.3 on it.
If you want to have a serious discussion about the merits of either option, be my guest.
But when you open with "Anyone who prefers the PSP translation of FFT is someone I know I never need to take seriously on any subject" then you are intentionally exaggerating the point for effect.
So yeah, hyperbole.
There's quite a few reasons why someone might prefer to the PSP retranslation and quite a few reasons why someone might not like the original translation. I'll argue why I prefer one and why I think one is weaker, but simply ignoring the merits of either one is being pretty close-minded.
You have every right to defend your position. But you can do better than "everyone who disagrees with me is wrong by default."
-- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle.
From: Takfloyd_mkII__ | #103 Wow this quickly turned into a topic I can't even read because I haven't played FFT yet!(shame on me, I know)
Same as we told pjbasis: Go play it IMO. And I recommend using the link OmarsComin posted while going through it. I've only covered the introduction and yet that's enough to make me interested already because the FAQ writer used interesting examples of adaptation and cited Vagrant Story.
You know, FFVII may be my favorite game but boy did the translation screw me up the first time through.
Like, the whole Sephiroth clones thing. I thought they literally cloned Sephiroth and there was 100's of them running around. Also, I thought the original Cloud died in Nibelheim and that the Cloud you were playing as during the game was an actual clone.
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From: ninkendo | #105 Is liking the original FFT translation akin to liking Legend of Dragoon? Something that you'll only like if you experienced it at a young age?
Not really. I first played FFT in 2k8 IIRC, and I'm not that young for it to count as 'young age'.
From: TheRock1525 | #109 Also, I thought the original Cloud died in Nibelheim and that the Cloud you were playing as during the game was an actual clone.
You are led to believe that for a chunk of the game.
OmarsComin posted... was 7 and Tactics handled by the same person or group of people? I've always been curious about that. they're both translated kind of poorly.
The 90s were an era when game translation wasn't quite that good yet. The only "good" translators were Ted Woosley and Dan Owsen. 7 and Tactics came out right around the time Woosley left Square
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No, see, I believed even AFTER the Lifestream Memory Flashback that you were still a clone. The first time I played FFVII, I never got the scene where Cloud and Zack escape the underground facility. So I finished up my first playthrough thinking the original Cloud was always dead and this was just a Sephiroth clone that looked like Cloud.
-- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle.
I can't say I ever thought that. There was some confusion about what the clones were and Sephiroth in Northern Cave, but you can see the meaning after you've been through it once or twice.
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From: Erugios | #115 OmarsComin posted... was 7 and Tactics handled by the same person or group of people? I've always been curious about that. they're both translated kind of poorly.
The 90s were an era when game translation wasn't quite that good yet. The only "good" translators were Ted Woosley and Dan Owsen. 7 and Tactics came out right around the time Woosley left Square
There's also the Xenogears guy, Richard Honeywood, who did a legitimately outstanding job and paid a serious personal price for it. He deserves all of our respect.
ZFS posted... I can't say I ever thought that. There was some confusion about what the clones were and Sephiroth in Northern Cave, but you can see the meaning after you've been through it once or twice.
Like I said, it was the first playthrough.
Honestly, I thought it was pretty neat at the time. The main character isn't the same main character that everyone knew.
-- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle.
FFVII's translation can be a bit wishy-washy at points, but you can glean the truth about Cloud and the Sephiroth Clones from what's there. Sure, the game maybe could have used a bit more exposition on the subject, but your misunderstanding isn't really the fault of the translation itself.
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KanzarisKelshen posted... From: Erugios | #115 OmarsComin posted... was 7 and Tactics handled by the same person or group of people? I've always been curious about that. they're both translated kind of poorly.
The 90s were an era when game translation wasn't quite that good yet. The only "good" translators were Ted Woosley and Dan Owsen. 7 and Tactics came out right around the time Woosley left Square There's also the Xenogears guy, Richard Honeywood, who did a legitimately outstanding job and paid a serious personal price for it. He deserves all of our respect.
lol no. It's because of him that recent Dragon Quest translations have been bad.
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Same as we told pjbasis: Go play it IMO. And I recommend using the link OmarsComin posted while going through it. I've only covered the introduction and yet that's enough to make me interested already because the FAQ writer used interesting examples of adaptation and cited Vagrant Story.
Oh, I'll play it someday. My backlog is rather long and I always finish games I play, so it takes time to get through it. To my defence, I've beaten every numbered FF, including sequels and remakes regardless of crappiness, so I wouldn't say I'm starved for Square Enix goodness.
I won't read whatever link you're talking about though because I always play games blind. No guides, no spoilers, I don't even watch trailers.
From: Jeff Zero | #128 There were just too many flat-out incorrect, utterly indecipherable lines in the original FFT translation for Smith's rendition to be truly worse.
Jeff, Smith played no part in it. Seriously, he didn't.
actually the FAQ was saying that the issue with the original translation is mostly that it's too accurate, and is just a straight translation and not a localization. so they just dragged the wordings and idioms straight over from Japan to our language, which is why it reads awkward as hell and sometimes unintentionally hilarious.
I think he mentions a few times where the script is just butchered beyond recognition but mostly it sounds like they at least translated it correctly.