AlecTrevelyan006 posted... A large part of LOST's value came from the community aspect of watching. Lunch the day after would be talking to people about theories from the latest episode. My physics prof was a big fan, so we'd get there before class and talk about stuff with him on Thursdays.
I can't imagine the show would be nearly as fun if you took that social element out.
I archived through the series last Summer with three other friends. I haven't really thought about it, but I guess I might not have liked it as much if I didn't watch it with them.
Definitely agree with the journey being such a good part. If someone enjoys it actively while watching, then keep watching. If they're the kind of person who thinks a bad ending ruins everything before, then they might want to quit ahead.
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The problem with the final season of LOST was that it completely undermined the entire narrative of the show. Having "a few small loose ends" is a pretty serious deal when those loose ends include things like motivation, plot consistency, conflict, who the antagonist really was, etc.
Still a decent show, I guess. Not worth watching on the whole though imo
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From: Swarles_Barkley | #032 __Smurf__ posted... LOST season 1 was probably better than most if not all other shows first season. It plummeted after that but still no first season hooked me like lost did.
Prison Break, while overall somewhat mediocre, had a spectacular first season in my opinion.
Definitely, season 1 PB was amazing.
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I really loved Lost a lot until the ending happened... I still like it overall, but I'm just really soured by it.
Mmhmm. I didn't start watching LOST until Season 5, but even I was disappointed by its conclusion. I can only imagine how those who started from the beginning felt!
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The only ending I've known to any series (book, movie, TV, whatever) that actually ruined the good things that came before it is Battlestar Galactica. I find it's immensely difficult to actually ruin good things just by following them up with bad things. Even Heroes' first season wasn't ruined by being followed up with complete s*** the entire rest of the show.
Even if you hate Lost's ending, which I very emphatically don't (Across the Sea was stupid, yeah, but meh), I don't understand how that can, for example, possibly invalidate the first three seasons' greatness. They have nothing to do with each other.
Even if you hate Lost's ending, which I very emphatically don't (Across the Sea was stupid, yeah, but meh), I don't understand how that can, for example, possibly invalidate the first three seasons' greatness. They have nothing to do with each other.
The problem with a show leaving its central conflict mysterious is that, were it turn out to be weak or disappointing, it would retroactively undermine the seriousness and significance of the earlier part of the plot. That's exactly what happened here.
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Vengeful_KBM posted... The only ending I've known to any series (book, movie, TV, whatever) that actually ruined the good things that came before it is Battlestar Galactica. I find it's immensely difficult to actually ruin good things just by following them up with bad things. Even Heroes' first season wasn't ruined by being followed up with complete s*** the entire rest of the show.
Even if you hate Lost's ending, which I very emphatically don't (Across the Sea was stupid, yeah, but meh), I don't understand how that can, for example, possibly invalidate the first three seasons' greatness. They have nothing to do with each other.
Agreed. I had a blast watching the show for most of its run. I weaker final season didn't somehow make the first 5 any worse to me.
It makes them very difficult to rewatch when you know how weak the resolution to the mystery they're setting up is. I mean, they set up all this intrigue then basically handwaved the mystery away. For a show that's largely about questions surrounding the setting and situation the characters have found themselves in, this weakens the whole show.
Speaking of which, regardless of what some people say the ending didn't give a worthy conclusion to the characters, either.
Really the ending just came off to me as a mix of a weak attempt at wrapping up the plot as quickly as possible, and a weak attempt at emotional manipulation. Put the two together and you get rushed, bad television. It failed to be conclusive, it failed to be emotional, it failed to be entertaining.
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I don't think the final season ruined my experience. I still have those early seasons of greatness to remember. That was a bunch of happiness and enjoyment that I'll always have. I don't REGRET watching Lost.
However, the final season did hurt my perception of the show. The show isn't as good as a whole when later stuff undermines the meaning of the earlier seasons. The artistic merit of the whole has to be considered, and as it is a part of a complete story, so the weakness of one part can have an effect on others, especially in a long term storyline drama like this, where we are willing to accept certain things not being resolved with satisfaction during the season because there is the implication that they will be dealt with satisfactorily later.
From: Vengeful_KBM | #057 Even if you hate Lost's ending, which I very emphatically don't (Across the Sea was stupid, yeah, but meh), I don't understand how that can, for example, possibly invalidate the first three seasons' greatness. They have nothing to do with each other.
I disagree with this idea. Whether or not you think it is true in this case, it can definitely have an effect.
If the final season of "Game of Thrones" revived everybody and they all lived happily ever after, that WOULD make earlier seasons worse.
My Immortal posted... I will never understand the hate of the final episode. To me, it was a masterpiece, I cried multiple times during it, and when it was over I had such a sense of content-ness.
Oh, but we don't know some really minor answers that have no baring on the over arching plot, so it must suck.
Takfloyd_mkII__ posted... LOST top tier, final season was great.
People just can't deal with the fact that the show went in a different direction than they expected.
See, this is why people don't like LOST fans: if you didn't like it, either a) you didn't "get" it, or b) you're just pissy about things not turning out according to your pet theory.
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YetAnothrShadow posted... From: Theon_Greyjoy | #013 OliviaTremor posted... I'd rather watch something good, like Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones.
LOST>both of these imo Oh ho wow.
The only way this would ever work is if maybe the last two seasons ceased to exist and were replaced by alot more thought out seasons.
LOST occupied my mind constantly between episodes even in the final season. No other show has captivated me like that. Granted I read ASoIaF a long time ago so that takes away a lot of anticipation but still. I was a bigger LOST fan than ASoIaF fan despite getting into the latter first.
From: Theon_Greyjoy | #067 LOST occupied my mind constantly between episodes even in the final season. No other show has captivated me like that. Granted I read ASoIaF a long time ago so that takes away a lot of anticipation but still. I was a bigger LOST fan than ASoIaF fan despite getting into the latter first.
BB is great too just not as addicting to me.
It occupied my mind and I was addicted too. Which is why I said I love the experience and wouldn't trade it.
That doesn't make it a better show in terms of artistic merit or rewatchability.
Lost was a great experience. However, in the end and on the whole, it was not a great show.
Sure it was. It still had some of the most emotionally powerful scenes in anything and the most satisfying character arc I've seen in a show (Jack). Good acting and writing for the most part.
AlecTrevelyan006 posted... I disagree with this idea. Whether or not you think it is true in this case, it can definitely have an effect.
If the final season of "Game of Thrones" revived everybody and they all lived happily ever after, that WOULD make earlier seasons worse.
....Why? I simply cannot grasp this concept. I seriously cannot. Even in such an extreme stupid case as that, how would that make Season 1 any worse? How would Episode 9 of Season 1 be any less compelling because something several years down the line turned out to be disappointing? I just don't get it.
Bad endings are bad. Yes, I agree. I disagree that Lost had a bad ending, but that's beside the point. I can't wrap my mind around the concept that a bad ending suddenly makes Sean Bean's acting in the first season worse, or that somehow the writing and directing in the fifth episode of the second season are suddenly crap now and it's not good entertainment. There is literally no correlation.
I can't wrap my mind around the concept that a bad ending suddenly makes Sean Bean's acting in the first season worse, or that somehow the writing and directing in the fifth episode of the second season are suddenly crap now and it's not good entertainment. There is literally no correlation.
There's a significant correlation, especially in a show revolving around mysteries. If earlier seasons are based in large part on building up some central conflict, and that conflict turns out to be a serious anticlimax, then they'll look worse in retrospect. While it's true that some elements are unaffected- acting, the writing in individual episodes, direction/cinematography- plot integrity most certainly is.
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From: Vengeful_KBM | #073 AlecTrevelyan006 posted... I disagree with this idea. Whether or not you think it is true in this case, it can definitely have an effect.
If the final season of "Game of Thrones" revived everybody and they all lived happily ever after, that WOULD make earlier seasons worse.
....Why? I simply cannot grasp this concept. I seriously cannot. Even in such an extreme stupid case as that, how would that make Season 1 any worse? How would Episode 9 of Season 1 be any less compelling because something several years down the line turned out to be disappointing? I just don't get it.
Bad endings are bad. Yes, I agree. I disagree that Lost had a bad ending, but that's beside the point. I can't wrap my mind around the concept that a bad ending suddenly makes Sean Bean's acting in the first season worse, or that somehow the writing and directing in the fifth episode of the second season are suddenly crap now and it's not good entertainment. There is literally no correlation.
It doesn't make the acting, directing, or writing of that particular episode bad. But there is so much more to a show than that. Everything in a show with an overarching story has to fit together.
If you watch it again knowing that he'll just come back to life later, it would cheapen the whole scene. It would take a lot of the significance and meaning out of the scene. It would undermine the themes that are pervasive throughout the story. It would mean that season 1 was ultimately a lie, even if it was a lie that you were compelled by at the time.
Again, I'm not saying this is necessarily true of Lost, but seasons and episodes do not exist in a vacuum. Everything is connected.
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Another example to prove the point: If it was revealed late in Inglourious Basterds that Hans Landa and the farmer from the first season had previously met in town and the farmer had revealed that he was housing people. It would completely undermine the character motives, the themes, and potentially the overall plot.
Yes, it's an "extreme stupid case", but there has been a lot of stupid stuff in movies and TV. I am baffled that you don't understand how later work can weaken the artistic merit of earlier works.
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The initial season(s) can be great as long as you can maintain your suspension of disbelief. When the show first came out I had a feeling it was all bullcrap/smoke and mirrors, and therefore couldn't get into it.
I ended up being right (evil cackle).
I imagine it would be difficult to ignore the fact that there's no substance behind the actions in the first seasons when you already know that canonically there is none...
Lol at all the LOST haters that come out of the woodwork every time.
Greatest show on network television ever. The music and cinematography will never be outdone.
There's so many great things about it that I really don't know how you can just dismiss it as bad or average. Even if you loathe the ending it still succeeded on so many levels. Every character is perfectly cast. The writing is great but the actors made the characters their own as well. The show had feature film-quality music. Actually I'd say it's possibly better than any score for any film for me. So many memorable themes that immediately invoke an emotional reaction just from listening to it. It's set in a great location and shot beautifully. Watch the blu-rays and tell me it looks bad.
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Pretty sure most people criticizing the show in this topic were Lost fans at some point. Not this group of Lost haters that come out of the woodworks for no reason other than to spew blasphemy against the just-a-tad-bit-less-holy-than-Jesus Christ show Lost.
Now if you'll excuse me, I must go say my nightly prayers to Damon Lindelof.
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I enjoyed Lost but it seems to lose its luster more and more in memory. it's just so easy to remember how dumb it got at parts and forget all the good stuff.
I definitely didn't say that just to disagree and it really took some thought before I remembered a few characters, such as Boone's sister and that couple that got buried alive, who had worse character arcs than him.
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YetAnothrShadow posted... I definitely didn't say that just to disagree and it really took some thought before I remembered a few characters, such as Boone's sister and that couple that got buried alive, who had worse character arcs than him.
You still didn't say Claire or Sayid.
Clearly you never watched the show. :P
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S6 Sayid was one of the worst parts of the show, while S6 Jack was one of the best (even though his faith was ultimately for something completely stupid).
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