Board 8 > Shounen Anime & Manga Discussion Topic 13 - FYI, we're not perverted

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th3l3fty
05/01/12 5:14:00 PM
#251:


Minmay is the worst female in the entire Macross series - she's a complete airhead and her songs are terible (with the except of DYRL, of course)

Sheryl, on the other hand, has solid character development and good songs (May'n as Sheryl is probably the best stuff she's ever done)

and oh god Macross Plus, worst thing in the Macross series by far - unlikeable characters, random plot that sputters along, bad music, uninteresting mecha fights, and horrible character design


as for Ranka - I can't stand her voice, she's an incredibly cliche character archetype, and pink hair > green hair

SDF has the best side character (ALL HAIL CAPTAIN BRUNO J. GLOBAL)

Macross Frontier has the best animation, the best fights, a better main character than SDF, the best female leads, the best music, and the best plot

as for the shorter stuff, Macross Zero is solid overall and Plus is an abomination

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th3l3fty
05/01/12 5:19:00 PM
#252:


Macross inequalities (three series only)

mains: BASARA > Alto > Hikaru
captains: SDF > 7 > Frontier (there is no loser here)
main's friend: SDF > Frontier > 7
main females: Sheryl > Hayase > Ranka > Mylene >> Minmay
music: Frontier > 7 > DYRL >> SDF (yes, I'm cheating a bit here)

honorable mention to 7 for having GIGILE

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GranzonEx
05/01/12 5:31:00 PM
#253:


I haven't beaten the Frontier Movies so I can't comment on those.

Plus does have a bad triangle, and typical garbage 90s character designs. Isamu said it best: SHUT UP I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR CREEPY SONGS. But the mecha porn is glorious. That was solid animation.

Satelight's use of cheap CG to animate Zero and Frontier's mecha killed the shows for me. Not to mention the LOL MAGIC that was introduced when they stepped in. No songs before Zero had mystical properties. The songstresses where not witches. Basara shook the galaxy with his passion. There were no power IN his songs, it was his heart, it was himself that moved the Protodeviln.

I hated what Zero did to the franchise. They added a layer of mysticism to what is considered scifi space opera. Really? Birdman = protoculture = people with the power of songs that can destroy? That is bull****. That is just plain dumb. **** Satelight.

Minmay is just a spoiled girl. She may not be likable but DYRL is quite possibly the greatest gift the galaxy ever had. Sheryl isn't much deeper. LOL me love you long time because you don't treat me differently! Gee what development. I can at least understand why Ranka liked Alto. He inspired her. The triangle is utter garbage.

Sheryl needs to wax her eyebrows. Maybe then she would fit the description of fairy of the galaxy.

I've watched Aquarion before Frontier and I hated absolutely hated their character designs.

Oh and Mylene's singing sounds like a dying walrus.

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GranzonEx
05/01/12 5:32:00 PM
#254:


Alto is garbage. His background seems so tacked on it's laughably bad.

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GranzonEx
05/01/12 5:38:00 PM
#255:


When I rank the girls I rank based on songs. Because that's what they really are: songstresses.

Sheryl's grandma voice is no match for Nakajima Megumi aka Ranka.

I think I get why you don't like Minmay though >_> she is basically 70s moe. Might be why you don't like Ranka as well.

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GranzonEx
05/01/12 5:48:00 PM
#256:


SDF = 8/10
DYRL = 9/10
7 = 5/10
Zero = 5/10
Frontier = 7/10

7 is rated so low because of the excessive stock footage. Zero was just garbage. Frontier gave birth to Nakajima Megumi and TRY UNITE, not even Sheryl's ugly mug can ruin that.

Songs:

DYRL > 7 > Frontier > SDF

Frontier above DYRL if we include all the homage songs.

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th3l3fty
05/01/12 5:48:00 PM
#257:


I have all of the Macross Frontier albums, and I skip Ranka's songs more often than not!

as for the girls, I rank them as characters - musically, the only difference is that I'd move Minmay up because her voice is second-best (can't fault her for the awful music she had!)

as for the mysticism, that's only really present in Zero - Frontier's "magic" is effectively the same as 7's

and I liked the CG in Zero/Frontier >_>

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th3l3fty
05/01/12 5:54:00 PM
#258:


SDF - 7 (dragged on too long)
DYRL - 6 (dat plot)
7 - 7
Plus - 5
Zero - 8
Frontier - 9

I've come to realize recently that the cast of a show has a significant influence on how much I like a show - while I detested the characters in Plus, all of the others had strong supporting casts, and only SDF/DYRL's main cast irked me (augh awkward love triangles)

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GranzonEx
05/01/12 5:55:00 PM
#259:


Yea I'm not big on Ranka's songs. AIMO AIMO is very very bad. But her rendition of DYRL gives me chills.

Sheryl's song voice, it's good. Her character voice is bad >_>

Yea I understand the hate for Minmay. I would have slapped her too, but I understand her character. Can't fault her for being a dumb idol. She is what she is because she's young.

I'll do a proper song ranking after I beat the two Frontier movies tomorrow and look up the names.

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th3l3fty
05/01/12 6:01:00 PM
#260:


oh god, full ranking of every Macross song?

gogogo Do You Remember Love? / Holy Lonely Light / Northern Cross top three
(at least, I think that'd be my top 3)

also, first Frontier movie is amazing; second gets a bit weird but is still good

also, while I don't really care for Nakajima, the Sheryl+Ranka duets are some of Frontier's absolute best (sup Lion)

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GranzonEx
05/01/12 6:03:00 PM
#261:


I feel like SDF has a very strong cast. Only 7's tops it for me. Sure I hate Mylene because of her song voice, but GAMLIN THE BRO, and Gigil and SIBIL, and the BEAUTY OF EVERYTHING, they cannot be topped. Not to mention LISTEN TO MY SONG. Godlike cast, absolutely loved them.

I like the triangle in SDF/DYRL the most, it seemed to be the most "serious" one. 7 kinda brushed the triangle aside and focused on the music. Plus I like Basara x Sibil more than Basara x Mylene x Gamlin.

Frontier has the weakest cast and triangle and story. Alto was just there, they felt the need to give him a background so he could be compelling, but he was not. The triangle doesn't get resolved, which I assume is what the movies will do. It was too happy. Story was just everywhere, the villain had weak motivations and not enough exposition to fully explain those motivations.

I'm a huge Gundam fan and I am too used to the mecha porn being 2D I guess?

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th3l3fty
05/01/12 6:10:00 PM
#262:


the movies do, in fact, resolve the triangle

and yeah, 7 definitely has the best cast in the series, even if they didn't do any favors to the ones imported from SDF

also GIGILE is way more of a bro than Gamlin imo

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GranzonEx
05/01/12 6:12:00 PM
#263:


I think I'm being unfair to Frontier. I just feel soooo disappointed by Sheryl. She is absolutely gorgeous outside of official art. She is the main reason I burned through the entire franchise in a month. I watched everything, endured 7's stock footage to get to her. Then she turned out to be ugh.

If Frontier had SDF's character designer, and Plus's 2D mecha porn, and Sheryl had a more youthful character voice, I would probably give Frontier an 8/10.

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GranzonEx
05/01/12 6:15:00 PM
#264:


Here's hoping 30th anniversary will be high quality OVA about Misa and Riber. That's what I assumed Zero was going to be about >_> and that turned out to be completely different :(

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th3l3fty
05/01/12 6:18:00 PM
#265:


30th anniversary announcement that the next full-length series will come before 2019 plz

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GranzonEx
05/01/12 6:26:00 PM
#266:


30th anniversary not done by Satelight would work too!

Frontier did great numbers, I think like 25k+ per volume, and the movies did 40k+

We shouldn't have to wait long for the next one imo

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pjbasis
05/01/12 6:30:00 PM
#267:


From: GranzonEx | #253
I haven't beaten the Frontier Movies so I can't comment on those.


why beaten

why do people do this

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th3l3fty
05/01/12 6:31:00 PM
#268:


yeah seriously

it's "beated" man

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GranzonEx
05/01/12 6:32:00 PM
#269:


Can't edit anymore!

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ninkendo
05/01/12 6:41:00 PM
#270:


yeah I'd still take LOVELY MINMAY and BASARA over Ranka or Sheryl

that still could change as I haven't had much time to finish Frontier. I'm still like halfway through

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Sorozone
05/01/12 7:52:00 PM
#271:


Claymore chapter should be out tomorrow. Raw came out a couple of hours ago.

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WhiteLens
05/01/12 8:17:00 PM
#272:


I haven't kept up with Claymore in the past few chapters, I should probably get back to it soon.

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GranzonEx
05/01/12 8:18:00 PM
#273:


From: Sorozone | #271
Claymore chapter should be out tomorrow. Raw came out a couple of hours ago.


Did you read the special chapter? It was good.

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GranzonEx
05/01/12 8:18:00 PM
#274:


And is the stream ok with handling Claymore or does the Big 3 rules apply?

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Sorozone
05/01/12 8:20:00 PM
#275:


From: GranzonEx | #274
And is the stream ok with handling Claymore or does the Big 3 rules apply?


No idea.

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ctesjbuvf
05/01/12 10:07:00 PM
#276:


pjbasis posted...
It was awesome.

How is that a waste?


Awesome indeed. But Sasuke survived while Tobi was caught in it, so from Deidaras own point of view it would seem like a waste.

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ctesjbuvf
05/01/12 10:08:00 PM
#277:


Since MS started doing Jump again, has anything other than the big three and Reborn been made?

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pjbasis
05/01/12 11:13:00 PM
#278:


Been....made?

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ctesjbuvf
05/02/12 6:14:00 AM
#279:


dammit you know what I mean, has MS translated others than those four since they started doing Jump again?

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pjbasis
05/02/12 6:24:00 AM
#280:


Yeah all their usual non-WSJ stuff like Fairy Tail, Air Gear, etc.

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ctesjbuvf
05/02/12 6:29:00 AM
#281:


oh for crying out loud

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pjbasis
05/02/12 6:50:00 AM
#282:


Maybe you mean other WSJ stuff?

I'm not trying to be difficult! If that's the case then I believe not.

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GranzonEx
05/02/12 6:58:00 AM
#283:


Watashi no uta kiki

Goddamn Sheryl stop ruining everything with grandma voice. Basara said that with HEART, you slut.

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pjbasis
05/02/12 6:59:00 AM
#284:


I hope all these things are shounen, Granzon.

I would hate to you see you stray from the path.

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ctesjbuvf
05/02/12 7:00:00 AM
#285:


Yeah that's what I meant.

I suppose they'll also do Hunter x Hunter when that comes out though.

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swordz9
05/02/12 7:07:00 AM
#286:


Hopefully this latest stuff in Reborn will lead to Chrome getting her own 1 on 1 fights...who am I kidding she'll probably never get one again, but I can still hope.

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ctesjbuvf
05/02/12 7:18:00 AM
#287:


Too bad the Reborn anime ended some years ago. I'd have liked to watch that.

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GranzonEx
05/02/12 7:19:00 AM
#288:


From: pjbasis | #284
I hope all these things are shounen, Granzon.

I would hate to you see you stray from the path.


Lefty and SHINE like Macross so I guess it's shounen?

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th3l3fty
05/02/12 7:22:00 AM
#289:


pjbasis you should join in on the fun and watch the Macross series too

main character of Macross 7 literally pilots his mech with a guitar

external image

hail

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th3l3fty
05/02/12 7:26:00 AM
#290:


MAL lists everything in the series as shounen except SDF and Frontier, and you could make a decent argument for those

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GranzonEx
05/02/12 7:31:00 AM
#291:


Basara the manliest man of all of Macross. Dude literally sings while dodging punches... IN A STREET FIGHT.

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GranzonEx
05/02/12 8:31:00 AM
#292:


A little over half way through the False Songstress. The triangle is already better than the TV series. They managed to squeeze more of the triangle on screen than the 25 episodes they originally had, and all in a little over an hour. At this rate I will begin to like Sheryl, she is damn good in the movie! Let's hope for the best.

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pjbasis
05/02/12 8:38:00 AM
#293:


From: ctesjbuvf | #287
Too bad the Reborn anime ended some years ago. I'd have liked to watch that.


Why does it ending mean you can't watch it?

From: th3l3fty | #289
pjbasis you should join in on the fun and watch the Macross series too


I'll consider.

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ctesjbuvf
05/02/12 8:41:00 AM
#294:


Well, just puts it a bit down the plan to watch. Might mean that I'd rather read the manga.

Why don't I get a Macross invitation from lefty?

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th3l3fty
05/02/12 8:51:00 AM
#295:


the Macross invitation is open to everyone!

I just targeted pjbasis because of his skepticism

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ctesjbuvf
05/02/12 10:07:00 AM
#296:


hey pj, I agree with you, part II is better

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GranzonEx
05/02/12 11:28:00 AM
#297:


NO RAGE again

Seo always manages to sneak in a bit of underwear in every chapter.

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ninkendo
05/02/12 12:29:00 PM
#298:


I can vouch for macross

as someone who typically dislikes series with giant robots (well outside of Gainax series and The Big O) I enjoyed Macross a lot

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GranzonEx
05/02/12 12:33:00 PM
#299:


I wouldn't recommend it to anyone that doesn't like love triangles or romances in general.

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ninkendo
05/02/12 12:36:00 PM
#300:


well I'm sucker for those too

especially when triangular

Macross 7 is pretty light on the triangle aspect anyway. They lightly touch on Mylene's mixed emotions between Basara and Gamlin, but for the most part it's just Basara shouting at people to listen to his song.

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