From: GenesisSaga | Posted: 3/31/2012 2:40:25 PM | #398 Janus5000 posted... It has come to my attention that some people believe I'm nothing but a pawn of lefty.
if you want people to stop thinking this I suggest throwing my boy Kuja a few saves
Naw man, l3fty would never vote Tidus. He'd probably vote Kuja if it meant eliminating Tidus.
So how 'bout you throw some Tidus saves my way, dude?
you don't know lefty do you
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th3l3fty posted... From: GenesisSaga | #398 Naw man, l3fty would never vote Tidus. He'd probably vote Kuja if it meant eliminating Tidus.
So how 'bout you throw some Tidus saves my way, dude? I would totally save Tidus to eliminate Kuja tbqh
SSHHH!! Cease your endless lies, l3fty!
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Out of curiosity, what am I to do if Lightning is safe before my third vote? Switch to Rikku or Auron? Or just abandon the trade?
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GenesisSaga posted... Out of curiosity, what am I to do if Lightning is safe before my third vote? Switch to Rikku or Auron? Or just abandon the trade?
Switching to Rikku or Auron would work yeah. I'd prefer Rikku by then if Lightning's already safe. If Tidus is safe by then I'll get Auron or Rikku as well and it works out for both of us anyways.
What you are seeing as a block coulc potentially be outside-of-topic trading, or alliances set up out of topic continuing.
While that's generally frowned upon (as it leads to things like this argument) it's technically not illegal.
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Basically I know Dante is entirely legitimate and I don't think lefty has enough sway to pull a puppet army (no offense) from my obviously amazing investigative journalism.
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From: -FFDragon- | #417 What you are seeing as a block coulc potentially be outside-of-topic trading, or alliances set up out of topic continuing.
While that's generally frowned upon (as it leads to things like this argument) it's technically not illegal.
I have no problem with saving favorites and making out-of-topic trades to keep your favorites around. But the fact is that a very similar group has joined the Cecil/Rydia/Tristam/Dad/CoD/Beatrix bandwagon, and the actions of those within this group don't really seem to match their overall attitude toward the contest itself with regards to saving. Also important to note is that MOST of these people were the ones who rallied and helped ruin contest 13, so making the assumption that they're still doing so isn't exactly a stretch.
Also, I find it funny that when User brought rallied someone to save Terra, people jumped on that IMMEDIATELY, yet when someone I've NEVER seen before (and honestly thought was Drakeryn until I read the username more carefully), comes in and saves Beatrix after War asks for someone to save her (thus freeing up voltch to save Tristam and Lefty to have a free vote, which surprisingly he didn't use IMMEDIATELY when given the opportunity to save Tristam), it gets a cursory "Oh yeah, I've seen him around before. He's a lurker."
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But the fact is that a very similar group has joined the Cecil/Rydia/Tristam/Dad/CoD/Beatrix bandwagon, and the actions of those within this group don't really seem to match their overall attitude toward the contest itself with regards to saving. Also important to note is that MOST of these people were the ones who rallied and helped ruin contest 13, so making the assumption that they're still doing so isn't exactly a stretch.
what
Panuru primarily saves Larsa, Zea barely votes (almost always for Larsa), Nia and edwards do their own thing
thus freeing up voltch to save Tristam and Lefty to have a free vote, which surprisingly he didn't use IMMEDIATELY when given the opportunity to save Tristam
have you ever heard of "strategy"
because I use it
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I'm sorry that I save my favorite characters from my favorite games (Cecil/Rydia/Dad).
I'm sorry I save someone as part of an alliance (Beatrix).
I'm sorry I save someone because I made a commitment based on such a large misunderstanding that it brought me tons of joy (Cloud of Darkness).
I'm sorry that I save someone as part of a trade with someone I trust to save characters I like (Tristam/Kain).
But most of all, I'm sorry that lefty is bandwagoning on Cloud of Dadness, leading to people who have never played FFL2 to assume Dad is a joke character when really he's as much of a joke character for an amusing trait (jumping out windows) as Kuja (thong).
Basically, I'm sorry that I look at this as a contest to make sure the characters I like best do well while staying within the rules unilaterally, instead of supporting blatant cheating when it causes the results I want and then standing on a high horse accusing others of cheating for liking characters I don't.
voltch, Shoe (admittedly, this one seems more like a save trade thing than any of the others), War, Dante, yourself, and several others who usually wind up saving CoD because it's the least popular of your block.
I have no idea who Panuru is, and like you said, Zea rarely posts, Nio saves Hope, but then is one of those CoD voters I mentioned above (also interesting is the fact that there was such a rapid change from Nio saving Zidane and Kuja to saving your group of joke characters, seemingly at random...hmmmmmmmm). Edwards, I recall saving in contests prior to 13 and saving the characters he currently saves, so I don't know what you're getting at there.
As I've said, I wouldn't be SO annoyed by this except for two reasons: one, I took SO much s*** over the years for rallying when it wasn't even illegal to do so, yet now that it's actually banned and I recognize the signs (I think I'd know what rallying looks like), it's just a big joke. You've even admitted as much in that UotY topic I called you out for, yet now you're saying "Oh OBVIOUSLY I was referring to SMFFFCCXIII". Then you've got Regaro...someone who admits to never really playing any FFs besides 10, coming in and saving FF5 (and not the good characters, but the jokes, which fall into your wheelhouse), and not even from the very start of the contest either, but only after several other FF5 characters had been eliminated and things weren't looking good for the game.
And reason two, as awesome as you think last contest was, you pretty much ruined it. You can go on and on about how amy ruined that contest with alt-voting, but the fact is that I didn't alt-vote, charon didn't alt-vote, Drak didn't alt-vote, MANY long-time savers in this contest didn't alt-vote, and we just wanted to help our favorites advance. But you decided that because YOU were bitter about amy cheating, the WHOLE contest needed to suffer. And it did. Marche's win was a joke, and it was certainly helped by you rallying out all the characters that could actually draw in board support against him to send him to the finals against Lightning (who while strong, still has anti-XIII bias working against him). And now it seems you're doing the same thing again, only this time there's no flimsy "amy cheated" justification for you ruining another contest.
You think I'm stupid for not saving Freya, but let's be honest here...she has a VERY niche fanbase. And as more characters get picked off, people aren't going to flock to her like they might with Vivi, Zidane, Kuja, and many of the other former champions still in this contest. That's my mindset. If FFD isn't going to do anything about how you're trying to rig this contest, then the least I can do, within the confines of the rules, is make sure that stronger characters stick around, so that when you push one of your jokes to the finals, they won't have some unpopular character against them for an easy win.
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So.... what I'm getting from these last two pages mostly is... that I am no longer the new vcharon.
Inviso and/or vcharon is the new vcharon
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From: WarThaNemesis2 | #423 I'm sorry that I save my favorite characters from my favorite games (Cecil/Rydia/Dad).
I'm sorry I save someone as part of an alliance (Beatrix).
I'm sorry I save someone because I made a commitment based on such a large misunderstanding that it brought me tons of joy (Cloud of Darkness).
I'm sorry that I save someone as part of a trade with someone I trust to save characters I like (Tristam/Kain).
But most of all, I'm sorry that lefty is bandwagoning on Cloud of Dadness, leading to people who have never played FFL2 to assume Dad is a joke character when really he's as much of a joke character for an amusing trait (jumping out windows) as Kuja (thong).
Basically, I'm sorry that I look at this as a contest to make sure the characters I like best do well while staying within the rules unilaterally, instead of supporting blatant cheating when it causes the results I want and then standing on a high horse accusing others of cheating for liking characters I don't.
Whatever you say, War. You know you're cheating, and you're gonna get away with it because for all the bravado, FFD will NEVER ban you guys unless you blatantly admit to what you're doing. Honestly, had Denzo/User kept their mouths shut, they'd probably still be in the contest. So I will continue to save characters that I feel have legitimate strength in the hopes that maybe this contest won't end up as much of a joke as last contest.
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From: WarThaNemesis2 | #432 Inviso did you not actively cheer as Denzo cheated?
You shouldn't lie when the archives exist.
Oh, I thought you meant Amy's alt-voting, which I also cheer for in retrospect, seeing the disgrace you guys have brought upon a long-running contest such as this.
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And with that statement I'll be done with this topic and discussion, because as usual it ends up as pointless discussion and jokes. Should have probably just not joined my name in this discussion. See you all next round.
On a side note, I think Inviso's strategy with respect to Freya and her other favorites is entirely legit.
Like, I don't do that because screw strategy Wiegraf is awesome. But it's perfectly fair to say, "My goal is to make sure the champ is the best character possible" and then work toward that goal, even if it means ditching someone you like better who has no real shot at the championship.
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From: SockoDeus | Posted: 3/31/2012 3:59:52 PM | #437 Considering that trading and alliances are allowed, I don't see the basis for the cheating allegations...
Nio saves Hope, but then is one of those CoD voters I mentioned above (also interesting is the fact that there was such a rapid change from Nio saving Zidane and Kuja to saving your group of joke characters, seemingly at random...hmmmmmmmm)
NioraptH has been primarily saving Hope and FFT characters, and before FFT it was Kuja. Try making accusations that aren't 100% verifiably false, please.
so I don't know what you're getting at there.
They're the primary b8anime voting bloc from last contest, and I can assure you I haven't even the slightest bit of sway over their votes.
You've even admitted as much in that UotY topic I called you out for, yet now you're saying "Oh OBVIOUSLY I was referring to SMFFFCCXIII".
Here's a post from that very topic!
th3l3fty | Posted on 3/18/2012 9:41:30 PM
From: FFDragon | #042 Are you saying that you're rigging votes as a group in SMFFFC?
do I need to ban you good sir
the only "rigging" that went on was in the last contest
You can even check to assure its authenticity!
But you decided that because YOU were bitter about amy cheating, the WHOLE contest needed to suffer.
The b8anime crew was involved in SMFFFC long before the alt voting was uncovered. In case you've forgotten, Zea was the one who first pointed out that porchy was consistently voting near the beginning. So no, the goings on of last contest were not a response to cheating.
Nor did I rally any of the b8anime crew - they discovered the contest through me, yes, but I showed them an already-completed day that happened to have an exceptionally large amount of post-round drama. That was what got them to join.
And now it seems you're doing the same thing again, only this time there's no flimsy "amy cheated" justification for you ruining another contest.
I have always been a Cecil/Rydia fan. The same goes for Shoe and War. voltch saves Dad and Cloud of Darkness because of voltch's fanfic. As for my support of Dad, Cloud of Darkness and Tristam, I nominated them myself. And do you know who else helped nominate them? Some guy who goes by the name of "Dante."
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Inviso posted... Also, I find it funny that when User brought rallied someone to save Terra, people jumped on that IMMEDIATELY, yet when someone I've NEVER seen before (and honestly thought was Drakeryn until I read the username more carefully), comes in and saves Beatrix after War asks for someone to save her (thus freeing up voltch to save Tristam and Lefty to have a free vote, which surprisingly he didn't use IMMEDIATELY when given the opportunity to save Tristam), it gets a cursory "Oh yeah, I've seen him around before. He's a lurker."
The difference between DarthVader78 and Daranix is that the former was easily tied to User and never posts here whereas the latter has been around here forever and has saved in previous contests.
I'm not in the habit of banning people I generally trust on circumstantial evidence at best. If I'm being played like a fiddle, shame on them I thought we were better than that.
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Clearly I am not bringing down the hammer because I am part of this nefarious crew. Gen is our sleeper agent.
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it's nice to know that all of the chaos we sowed last year has apparently such lasting effects on people that they've become paranoid freaks who see shadows in every vote even this year when nothing shady is going on
Clearly I am not bringing down the hammer because I am part of this nefarious crew. Gen is our sleeper agent.
Damn, I've been ExPoSeD.
Of course, you need speak the password before the sleeper awakens...
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